FresnoFacts Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 The post-mortems will review what happened in individual races and across the country. But partially I think the GOP saw Trumpism as a repeat of Newt's rough and tumble cultural war. Newt and his followers political style won and then gave the GOP almost a decade of control of Congress. But Newt and his group also pushed many moderate Republicans like me away from the party. Trumpism is Newt on steroids to me. The GOP misjudged how far to go with it. That Trumpist political style pushed even a larger number of moderate Rs and Ds away from the GOP in an election they should have won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alum93 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 9:38 AM, toonkee said: And by my eyeballs a lot less than 50% wanted to vote for fascists that don't want to count the votes. Maybe we're not as dumb as we think we are. At least so far. I think the big donors in the Republican party need to take a good hard look at what happened last night. In a midterm with high inflation, stock market down, high gas prices, and Biden WH, the Dems overperformed and the Republicans underperformed. Here's a scenario. The economy goes thru a mild recession and by end of 2023 economy is doing well, market is up, inflation is way down. Do you really want Trump running against Biden in that environment? Trump's hard core base doesn't care and will vote for him no matter what. But if Dems could do this well this year, why wouldn't Biden beat Trump in 2024 with a good economy. Maybe the Trump show has run out of real estate and it's time to look at a DeSantis with a young VP. Get away from the Trump show once and for all. To do that, money from the deep pockets will have to step up in the primaries. My guess is Trump runs again and loses again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robe Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 10:27 AM, SharkTanked said: Good grief we might not even win the house The Masters 5k road race All American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu_alum9 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 8:27 AM, SharkTanked said: House was 220 Democrats and looks like it will drop to 211 (Based on NYT latest data). So a loss of 9 or so (and the house) is probable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akkula Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 10:22 AM, mugtang said: On thing is clear, the way we count ballots is embarrassing. From what I gather, it seems like most uncounted ballots are in Reno and LV. That seems good for the Democrat. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/11/08/us/elections/results-nevada-us-senate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoFacts Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Still trying to keep the base riled up this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 8:49 AM, bsu_alum9 said: House was 220 Democrats and looks like it will drop to 211 (Based on NYT latest data). So a loss of 9 or so (and the house) is probable. Yeah the R’s will have a slim lead which provides leverage for the nut jobs like MTG and Gosar. It will be interesting how they manage this shit. Giving MTG a bigger megaphone is only going to hurt them more. she represents the 20% of people in Tennessee that voted for slavery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robe Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 10:22 AM, mugtang said: On thing is clear, the way we count ballots is embarrassing. Follow the Florida model. After 2000 they got their shit together. The Masters 5k road race All American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akkula Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 10:47 AM, alum93 said: I think the big donors in the Republican party need to take a good hard look at what happened last night. In a midterm with high inflation, stock market down, high gas prices, and Biden WH, the Dems overperformed and the Republicans underperformed. Here's a scenario. The economy goes thru a mild recession and by end of 2023 economy is doing well, market is up, inflation is way down. Do you really want Trump running against Biden in that environment? Trump's hard core base doesn't care and will vote for him no matter what. But if Dems could do this well this year, why wouldn't Biden beat Trump in 2024 with a good economy. Maybe the Trump show has run out of real estate and it's time to look at a DeSantis with a young VP. Get away from the Trump show once and for all. To do that, money from the deep pockets will have to step up in the primaries. My guess is Trump runs again and loses again. Their problem is Trump holds them hostage. He won't step aside. He will either be the nominee or he will destroy them. Lose/Lose. They may as well get it over with though because of they keep letting him tell them what to do it will be a slow bloodletting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetropolitanCowboy Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 11:57 AM, Akkula said: Their problem is Trump holds them hostage. He won't step aside. He will either be the nominee or he will destroy them. Lose/Lose. They may as well get it over with though because of they keep letting him tell them what to do it will be a slow bloodletting. A DeSantis/Trump blood feud threatens to unravel whatever scraps are left of the GOP at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 A good and depressing article (if you are a Republican) from Jim Geraghty https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-red-splish-splash/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akkula Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 10:56 AM, sactowndog said: Yeah the R’s will have a slim lead which provides leverage for the nut jobs like MTG and Gosar. It will be interesting how they manage this shit. Giving MTG a bigger megaphone is only going to hurt them more. she represents the 20% of people in Tennessee that voted for slavery If the Republican moderates go along with MTG craziness they are dead men walking for 2024 in this swing districts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 9:59 AM, MetropolitanCowboy said: A DeSantis/Trump blood feud threatens to unravel whatever scraps are left of the GOP at this point. scraps of the GOP? They could still control 2 of the 3 branches. GOP needs an overhaul, but it's not dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alum93 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 9:57 AM, Akkula said: Their problem is Trump holds them hostage. He won't step aside. He will either be the nominee or he will destroy them. Lose/Lose. They may as well get it over with though because of they keep letting him tell them what to do it will be a slow bloodletting. That's why i said the big donors have to step up. He most definitely will burn the house down if he can't be the leader, but you either rip the bandaid off quickly or you slowly pull it while screaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoFacts Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Last night is Melania's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoFacts Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Trump's team making the media rounds trying to protect his image and power in the GOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robe Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 10:56 AM, sactowndog said: Yeah the R’s will have a slim lead which provides leverage for the nut jobs like MTG and Gosar. It will be interesting how they manage this shit. Giving MTG a bigger megaphone is only going to hurt them more. she represents the 20% of people in Tennessee that voted for slavery It was banned as a criminal punishment. Owning of slaves was banned over a century ago. Apparently Carmichael doesn’t like to read and thinks people still own slaves in the rural counties. Im all for bringing back the chain gangs as punishment. The Masters 5k road race All American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alum93 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 9:59 AM, Bob said: A good and depressing article (if you are a Republican) from Jim Geraghty https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-red-splish-splash/ This part is a short summary of last night. And the nation, deeply dissatisfied with the way the Democrats were running things, looked at what the GOP offered as the alternative and concluded, “Nope, I’ll stick with what the Democrats are giving me” in a lot of key places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/9/2022 at 9:40 AM, Old_SD_Dude said: Crazy is code for you and your ilk Bob. I see a lot more craziness within the democrat party. Transgenderism, soft on crime, defund the police, full blown border crisis, running up the national debt like it's their job, student loan transfer of wealth to the upper class, the Afghanistan debacle, the mishandling of covid, climate cultism, baby murdering. The list goes on and on. Still can't wrap my mind around it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoFacts Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 And more from the Trump side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...