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The Orange Clown's Mar-a-lago VISITED by FBI !!!!!!!

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On 8/9/2022 at 2:52 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

I think the fear here is a few lunatics will actually do something.  Not any sort of large scale organized movement.

Those documents better be classified as TOP SECRET and putting American lives at risk by being improperly hadnled(the way we knew 22 that almost assuredly went into hostile hands were on Hillarys server https://www.npr.org/2016/01/29/464811045/as-iowa-caucuses-near-clinton-email-probe-persists). Or this sets a dangerous precedent.  

Respectfully, you have no idea what the +++++ the fbi is looking for in those files. Neither do I. We have no idea what the scope of their investigation is. To compare to Hilary at this juncture is just trying way too hard to “both sides” this thing. The facts right now are that a former president has hard copies of sensitive documents at his personal residence. He has been asked to return them and refused. Hilary was found not to have been intentionally malicious in her mishandling of documents (still serious imo and, at minimum, grounds for being barred from office). With trump, he printed the docs with, it sounds like, no digital record, and clearly doesn’t want anyone to see what’s on them. But he didn’t destroy them, which seems to indicate that they’re still useful to him for one reason or another. We have no way of knowing whether they’ve been scanned or copied and where they’ve been sent, if anywhere. There is just way too much unknown and way too much that looks a whole lot different to “but Hilary” this. It looks a hell of a lot more serious from the outside this time. 

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On 8/9/2022 at 1:19 AM, SJSUMFA2013 said:

Respectfully, you have no idea what the +++++ the fbi is looking for in those files. Neither do I. We have no idea what the scope of their investigation is. To compare to Hilary at this juncture is just trying way too hard to “both sides” this thing. The facts right now are that a former president has hard copies of sensitive documents at his personal residence. He has been asked to return them and refused. Hilary was found not to have been intentionally malicious in her mishandling of documents (still serious imo and, at minimum, grounds for being barred from office). With trump, he printed the docs with, it sounds like, no digital record, and clearly doesn’t want anyone to see what’s on them. But he didn’t destroy them, which seems to indicate that they’re still useful to him for one reason or another. We have no way of knowing whether they’ve been scanned or copied and where they’ve been sent, if anywhere. There is just way too much unknown and way too much that looks a whole lot different to “but Hilary” this. It looks a hell of a lot more serious from the outside this time. 

Respectfully, read the thread.  Like I said, it better be above and beyond handing 22 TOP SECRET files to hostile governments.  

If they are TOP SECRET, there are more than his printed files, so it would be an issue of improperly and illegally storing them.  

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On 8/9/2022 at 1:21 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Respectfully, read the thread.  Like I said, it better be above and beyond handing 22 TOP SECRET files to hostile governments.  

If they are TOP SECRET, there are more than his printed files, so it would be an issue of improperly and illegally storing them.  

Again to reiterate, these files better be more than just files that may be a politically damaging or embarrassing misdemeanor.  Better be a national security issue that puts lives at risk.  If it is, I am fine with it.  But, it better be.  

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I would hope that there was a very high level of probable cause considering how politically sensitive this is.. an independent federal judge also believes it was very likely a crime was committed, and that was more evidence of said crime  at Trumps place.

 

Hopefully they understand the ramifications If it’s not a slam dunk case.

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On 8/8/2022 at 11:35 PM, Rebels18 said:

I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE YOU PUSSIES ON THE BATTLEFIELD

CIVIL WAR TIME!

Less civil war and more cult mass suicide pact for the dear leader.  You guys are about to bitten down the compound.   I an guessing your fearless leader will escape out the back door though. 

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On 8/8/2022 at 7:42 PM, FresnoFacts said:

 

Yes,  why those specific documents?  Why has he constantly refused to turn them over given the opportunity?  Al Capone went down for v tax evasion.   Trump may have handed the FBI an open and shut case with his other rackets difficult to prove since he communicates like a mob boss.

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On 8/8/2022 at 9:58 PM, mugtang said:

Hillary has private server with maybe classified documents---Lock her up!  Lock her up!

Trump doesn't turn over classified information he took from the White House---dangerous precedent

 

LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

The big difference in Trump vs Hillary seems to be willfullness as indicated on the statute regarding the crime posted earlier.  

Trump surely would have gotten off of he had just complied to the best of his ability when notified he took classified information.   Once he stonewalled...it showed intent.   

Hillary seemed to have mishandled random classified information accidentally.  Trump had specific materials intentionally.   Intent seems easy to prove in Trumps case.

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On 8/8/2022 at 10:33 PM, Nevada Convert said:

If we’re going to start getting into classified documents, Hillary was 100 times more guilty of that shit, and it actually resulted in our enemies getting them. Did Trump’s actions result in our enemies getting documents from being careless? Haven’t heard of any.

Nope...it is about intent.   Hillary complied with the feds once notified of the issue.   National Archives has been asking him for months or years to hand it over.   He laughed at them as if it was a toothless hatch act or emoluments clause violation.

...and we will probably never know the types of classified documents he has because they are CLASSIFIED!

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On 8/8/2022 at 11:53 PM, Nevada Convert said:

You have to remember, a sitting president can choose to declassify pretty much anything he wants. Even if he didn’t get around to officially doing it, if the documents were just at a classified level, this is going to be a huge loser for the FBI. They better have had more reason to go there than just that.

2 months ago the FBI met with Trump lawyers at the big Mar Log, and it went well and were cooperating. They even showed them boxes of the info. they were interested in. Something had to have broken down since that time for this to happen. I think the FBI is interested in finding the secrets of how Trump is able to make his hair look so damn good.

He has been notified for months the material needed to be turned over. 

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On 8/9/2022 at 12:17 AM, thelawlorfaithful said:

The President better be consulted when conducting a raid on a former President. There are three branches. The FBI should be answering to the head of that branch in something like this. To get a warrant, the DOJ is needed to get permission from the third branch.

You wish Biden were consulted so you can hand wave it away as political.   I they v were very intentional to NOT tell the WH anything. 

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On 8/9/2022 at 1:10 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Besides the point.  We decided that was the bar we were going to set.  Allowing a member of the executive to all but hand foes TOP SECRET documents, around two dozen of them, was not worth the political cost to do something about it.  The office of the Executive ordering a raid on the former leader of that office and political opponent is shocking.  I don't know what was in there so I will not say if it is appropriate or not but it better be a one hell of a doosey.  One hell of one.

Nooo....it was about Hillarys intent.   Intent is a very important thing in the law especially in white collar crimes involving documents.   Accidental mishandling has almost no legal consequence.   Intentional has serious consequences... ask Snowden.

To get a criminal conviction the DOJ needed to prove intent.  Hillary was negligent in her practices.  Trump intentionally kept the documents even after being asked repeatedly or lied to say he has no other classified info.  He wouldnt have taken those documents or refused to hand them over if there was nothing juicy in them.

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On 8/9/2022 at 3:54 AM, Akkula said:

Nope...it is about intent.   Hillary complied with the feds once notified of the issue.   National Archives has been asking him for months or years to hand it over.   He laughed at them as if it was a toothless hatch act or emoluments clause violation.

...and we will probably never know the types of classified documents he has because they are CLASSIFIED!

 

 

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On 8/9/2022 at 7:11 AM, THEUniversityofNevada said:

We’re in uncharted territory here. All I’ll say is this, Merrick Garland better not miss.

I get the feeling this is an "easy" case for them.   They only need to prove that he willfully took the documents (which they can prove by him not returning them even after being asked repeatedly).  The only thing they needed to find at Mar a Lago was a classified document that he didn't turn over and lied about having.  

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