Allegations of rape and cover-up at SDSU

[Beach Bully]

On 6/5/2022 at 11:22 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

You allegedly have 5 student athletes gang rape a minor, the SDSU community deserved to know there are potentially evil, dangerous men on campus being investigated by the police.

SDSU +++++ed up.

Interesting you would compare the brutal rape of a kid by 5 grown men representing your school on the football field to a random student stealing another students stuff, though.

You assume an awful lot and you know what happens when you assume.  The school asked the student body for complaints and to date none have been filled.  You state 5 grown men raped, yet four are freshman and could also be minors.   Most of all, you assume it’s true, the duke lacrosse team would like a word with you

[4UNLV]

On 6/4/2022 at 5:06 AM, SDSUfan said:

The rape, if there was one, occured LAST OCTOBER. Therefore, the climate of fear, rape gangs roaming the campus looking for their next victim, has existed since then. Weird that no other incidents have been reported. 

Just. Stop.

Nobody said that. However, this post does show that you don't have a clue..

[818SUDSFan]

On 6/4/2022 at 7:04 PM, Rebels2k3 said:

Putting a lot of faith into police departments them, especially considering how often they go out of their way to protect college athletes from legal liabilities. 

Outside the Lines: College athletes at major programs benefit from confluence of factors to sometimes avoid criminal charges (espn.com)

Since the only city on the Outside the Lines list I've been to is Corvallis, I'll confine my comments to OSU. Corvallis is a very nice town. However, it's tiny and there's really nothing there but the university and its residents I've interacted with a few times generally detest the state's flagship university which is only about 45 minutes away IIRC. The main reason is the much greater success of Oregon's football and basketball programs. Despite its small size, Corvallis' crime index number compared to other US cities is 12 meaning 88% of US cities have a lower crime rate per capita. The probable reason is that OSU students make up almost half the population of the town. So I can envision the local cops often being under significant pressure not to bring charges against OSU student athletes.

SDSU students comprise about 2/10 of 1% of the population of the City of San Diego so as OldGuy implied, unless you're a Marshall Faulk or Kawhi Leonard, you can be an SDSU student athlete and almost nobody in the city knows your name so there would figure to be little if any public pressure on SDPD not to charge SDSU athletes with criminal misconduct.

Not saying at least one of the allegedly five SDSU football players shouldn't be charged with a crime but simply that the fact that hasn't been done shouldn't be attributed to public pressure.

[AztecAlien]

SDSU's President Dr. Adela de la Torre standing up to the allegations of a cover up. 

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/commentary/story/2022-06-13/sdsu-president-rape-investigation-football-team

 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 6/14/2022 at 11:42 AM, AztecAlien said:

SDSU's President Dr. Adela de la Torre standing up to the allegations of a cover up. 

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/commentary/story/2022-06-13/sdsu-president-rape-investigation-football-team

 

The woman should have opened an investigation long ago and alerted the community.  Period.  End of story.  She +++++ed up.

The only reason the story broke is because women on campus were terrified and could get NO information from the school

That she is in damage control now only reinforces they +++++ed up.  

[AztecAlien]

On 6/14/2022 at 1:30 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

The woman should have opened an investigation long ago and alerted the community.  Period.  End of story.  She +++++ed up.

The only reason the story broke is because women on campus were terrified and could get NO information from the school

That she is in damage control now only reinforces they +++++ed up.  

"Specific to this case, the San Diego Police Department formally requested that SDSU not initiate a separate investigation or take other actions, including conducting interviews and communicating case details with members of the community. As noted before, doing so could have resulted in the destruction of evidence or the collusion of alleged suspects." 

SDUT 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 6/14/2022 at 2:00 PM, AztecAlien said:

"Specific to this case, the San Diego Police Department formally requested that SDSU not initiate a separate investigation or take other actions, including conducting interviews and communicating case details with members of the community. As noted before, doing so could have resulted in the destruction of evidence or the collusion of alleged suspects." 

 

Not an excuse.  Delay does not mean to just not ever do it.  You had women terrified to be on campus.  That's a black eye.

 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 6/14/2022 at 2:00 PM, AztecAlien said:

"Specific to this case, the San Diego Police Department formally requested that SDSU not initiate a separate investigation or take other actions, including conducting interviews and communicating case details with members of the community. As noted before, doing so could have resulted in the destruction of evidence or the collusion of alleged suspects." 

 

Not an excuse.  Delay does not mean to just not ever do it.  You had women terrified to be on campus.  That's a black eye.

Oh, and can't suspend the all american from playing football, might have hurt your conference championship bid.

[renoskier]

San Diego State athletes band together in Title IX fight: 'If women want equality, they have to sue'

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/34071621/a-coxswain-courts-course-title-ix-compliance

[818SUDSFan]

On 6/14/2022 at 1:03 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Not an excuse.  Delay does not mean to just not ever do it.  You had women terrified to be on campus.  That's a black eye.

Oh, and can't suspend the all american from playing football, might have hurt your conference championship bid.

You might want to read up on libel laws before making factual accusations here which might be untrue.

[AztecAlien]

On 6/14/2022 at 2:03 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

Not an excuse.  Delay does not mean to just not ever do it.  You had women terrified to be on campus.  That's a black eye.

Oh, and can't suspend the all american from playing football, might have hurt your conference championship bid.

Don't know what the outcome will be. And if this happened then all the alleged suspects will and should be punished severely. But SDSU did not try and cover this up. No one has come forward to the university. The SDPD specifically told SDSU not to open their own investigation. You're worse than the media.  

"How Has SDSU Responded? 

The following is a limited timeline of actions SDSU has taken since SDPD informed the university of the alleged off campus sexual assault and of the agency’s investigation: Oct. 19, 2021: The San Diego State Department (SDPD) contacted SDSU and the University Police Department with an initial report of a sexual assault occuring off campus. SDPD informed the university that it had already opened and begun an active investigation into the allegations. SDPD verbally requested that SDSU not initiate any separate investigation or take other actions that might compromise its criminal investigation, and the university opted to comply. 

Oct. 19, 2021: SDSU’s Title IX office began its assessment of actions it could take given the reported case. To date, no victims or witnesses have reported the incident to SDSU.

Oct. 26, 2021: SDSU received the first of several anonymous submissions from individuals with third hand information about the alleged off-campus sexual assault. The university had agreed to comply with SDPD’s investigation, and shared the information with SDPD.

Oct. 27, 2021: SDSU responded to the individuals sharing anonymous information, requesting that the individuals contact the Title IX Coordinator so that the Title IX Coordinator could learn more about the incident. All of the anonymous reporters declined the meeting request.

Oct. 28, 2021: SDPD sent a formal letter to SDSU requesting that the university temporarily delay its administrative investigation to ensure that the criminal case was not compromised. The university has and continues to comply with SDPD.

October through December 2021: Individuals shared anonymous information about the alleged sexual assault with SDSU, but were not able to provide first-hand, witness accounts regarding the incident. In follow-up communications to those individuals, SDSU asked each to share information with SDPD, and the university provided contact information for the SDPD sergeant handling the investigation.

Nov. 12, 2021: SDSU sent a formal letter to SDPD indicating that it had shared all information the university was aware of about the reported incident and would continue to comply with the police investigation. In an effort to ensure any alleged victim was aware of their right to file a Title IX complaint, the university also provided SDPD with our Title IX policy and Title IX Complaint form and formally requested that they provide both to any alleged victim. 

Dec. 7, 2021: SDSU sent a second formal letter to SDPD requesting any alleged victim information, and also requested that the police agency share the university’s Title IX Coordinator’s contact information with any alleged victim.

October 2021 to Present: SDSU continued to cooperate with SDPD and regularly confirmed that SDPD was continuing to actively investigate the incident and that there was a continuing need for SDSU to pause its investigation.

October 2021 to Present: The Title IX Coordinator, in consultation, continues to periodically assess information known to the university, to include SDPD’s request, to determine any additional or new actions the university may take.

January 2022 to Present: Periodic updates were shared between SDSU and SDPD during the ongoing criminal investigation, which continues.

June 3, 2022: SDSU President Adela de la Torre shared a campus message providing information about the case, SDSU’s compliance with the case, campus resources and other details.

June 6, 2022: To date, no victims or witnesses have reported the incident to SDSU’s Title IX office or the University Police Department. SDPD has not confirmed the name of the victim or any alleged to have been involved." 

https://titleix.sdsu.edu/university-statements#sdsuactions

[renoskier]

On 6/14/2022 at 1:35 PM, AztecAlien said:

Don't know what the outcome will be. And if this happened then all the alleged suspects will and should be punished severely. But SDSU did not try and cover this up. No one has come forward to the university. The SDPD specifically told SDSU not to open their own investigation. You're worse than the media.  

How Has SDSU Responded? 

The following is a limited timeline of actions SDSU has taken since SDPD informed the university of the alleged off campus sexual assault and of the agency’s investigation: Oct. 19, 2021: The San Diego State Department (SDPD) contacted SDSU and the University Police Department with an initial report of a sexual assault occuring off campus. SDPD informed the university that it had already opened and begun an active investigation into the allegations. SDPD verbally requested that SDSU not initiate any separate investigation or take other actions that might compromise its criminal investigation, and the university opted to comply. 

Oct. 19, 2021: SDSU’s Title IX office began its assessment of actions it could take given the reported case. To date, no victims or witnesses have reported the incident to SDSU.

Oct. 26, 2021: SDSU received the first of several anonymous submissions from individuals with third hand information about the alleged off-campus sexual assault. The university had agreed to comply with SDPD’s investigation, and shared the information with SDPD.

Oct. 27, 2021: SDSU responded to the individuals sharing anonymous information, requesting that the individuals contact the Title IX Coordinator so that the Title IX Coordinator could learn more about the incident. All of the anonymous reporters declined the meeting request.

Oct. 28, 2021: SDPD sent a formal letter to SDSU requesting that the university temporarily delay its administrative investigation to ensure that the criminal case was not compromised. The university has and continues to comply with SDPD.

October through December 2021: Individuals shared anonymous information about the alleged sexual assault with SDSU, but were not able to provide first-hand, witness accounts regarding the incident. In follow-up communications to those individuals, SDSU asked each to share information with SDPD, and the university provided contact information for the SDPD sergeant handling the investigation.

Nov. 12, 2021: SDSU sent a formal letter to SDPD indicating that it had shared all information the university was aware of about the reported incident and would continue to comply with the police investigation. In an effort to ensure any alleged victim was aware of their right to file a Title IX complaint, the university also provided SDPD with our Title IX policy and Title IX Complaint form and formally requested that they provide both to any alleged victim. 

Dec. 7, 2021: SDSU sent a second formal letter to SDPD requesting any alleged victim information, and also requested that the police agency share the university’s Title IX Coordinator’s contact information with any alleged victim.

October 2021 to Present: SDSU continued to cooperate with SDPD and regularly confirmed that SDPD was continuing to actively investigate the incident and that there was a continuing need for SDSU to pause its investigation.

October 2021 to Present: The Title IX Coordinator, in consultation, continues to periodically assess information known to the university, to include SDPD’s request, to determine any additional or new actions the university may take.

January 2022 to Present: Periodic updates were shared between SDSU and SDPD during the ongoing criminal investigation, which continues.

June 3, 2022: SDSU President Adela de la Torre shared a campus message providing information about the case, SDSU’s compliance with the case, campus resources and other details.

June 6, 2022: To date, no victims or witnesses have reported the incident to SDSU’s Title IX office or the University Police Department. SDPD has not confirmed the name of the victim or any alleged to have been involved.

https://titleix.sdsu.edu/university-statements#sdsuactions

wtf...why "idiot" my post?

Just saw the article on ESPN and thought it kind of went along with this thread 

[AztecAlien]

On 6/14/2022 at 2:41 PM, renoskier said:

wtf...why "idiot" my post?

Just saw the article on ESPN and thought it kind of went along with this thread 

Because you are an idiot trying to tie that article to this thread and pile on. That's an entire collegiate problem that needs to be better addressed not just an isolated SDSU one like you are trying to make it out with that caption. Don't act like that's not what you were trying to do. Complete BS but expected.   

[Someone Else]

36 minutes ago, renoskier said:

San Diego State athletes band together in Title IX fight: 'If women want equality, they have to sue'

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/34071621/a-coxswain-courts-course-title-ix-compliance

This issue obviously has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.

That said, once again all of the facts are not presented in a proper manner in a news article ... shocking, ehh?

I would be willing to bet that in excess of 90% of all universities spend less on minor (non-revenue) sports than they do on revenue sports.  Because the revenue sports are men's football and basketball they will get more money.  

Should all universities spend equal amounts on mens & womens sports? yes.  Do the majority? Doubtfull.

The misleading thing here is that the NCAA allows a maximum amount of scholarships in each sport (differs per sport).  If a sport is fully funded and thus offers the maximum amount of scholarships allowed there is no way any of the student athletes would have been able to get 'more'  scholarship help.  The university can't offer more scholarships than the NCAA allows.  Meaning, the allowed number of scholarships is 18 in womens track... there are likely 40+ student athletes on the track team... 18 scholarships is the maximum amount that can be offered across all 40+ student athletes. 

The article misleads you to believe that these student athletes could have received more athletic scholarship help but the only way someone could receive more help would be by reducing someone else's scholarship by the same amount.  

 

 

[AztecSU]

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The Title IX office and university police department made decisions regarding policy and communications after close consultation with the California State University system’s Office of General Counsel. It was determined that it was necessary and in the interest of justice to cooperate fully with the San Diego Police Department. Not doing so could jeopardize its criminal investigation, leading to potential collusion and evidence tampering. This does not mean for a moment that SDSU failed to take any action — we did take action. Our university voluntarily shared with the San Diego Police Department all information we had available, including information shared through the university’s anonymous reporting system from individuals who confirmed they did not have first-hand knowledge and were not witnesses. We asked the San Diego Police Department to share SDSU Title IX contact information and resources with the alleged victim, and to encourage her to reach out to us. And we increased sexual assault education and prevention trainings among students, including student-athletes across several athletic teams. To date, the alleged victim has not reported the incident to SDSU.

Interesting...kinda seems like they're not sure if the victim is real or not? All of the info is second hand and no victim has come forward? I mean if the victim is real and they are actively looking into this you would think a statement confirming that would be released, even if it was anonymous. That said the missing piece in all this is a full statement from SDPD.

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Second: The editorial’s statement that “university officials stood by idly” is both a falsehood and a dangerous characterization of the situation. Our Title IX office immediately assessed what actions were appropriate for it to take, including moving forward with fact finding. The Title IX office and university police department made decisions regarding policy and communications after close consultation with the California State University system’s Office of General Counsel. It was determined that it was necessary and in the interest of justice to cooperate fully with the San Diego Police Department. Not doing so could jeopardize its criminal investigation, leading to potential collusion and evidence tampering. This does not mean for a moment that SDSU failed to take any action — we did take action. Our university voluntarily shared with the San Diego Police Department all information we had available, including information shared through the university’s anonymous reporting system from individuals who confirmed they did not have first-hand knowledge and were not witnesses. We asked the San Diego Police Department to share SDSU Title IX contact information and resources with the alleged victim, and to encourage her to reach out to us. And we increased sexual assault education and prevention trainings among students, including student-athletes across several athletic teams. To date, the alleged victim has not reported the incident to SDSU.

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Lastly: This is not a football team cover up, as some students have suggested, and any allegation otherwise has no basis in fact. Unequivocally, it is a blatantly false statement to say that SDSU acted in ways to protect any students — even alleged football players — during this investigation. Willingly, and without a court order, our university provided the San Diego Police Department with all anonymous information received and avoided sending notices that would alert potential perpetrators to the investigation. We provided other detailed information about our university and community to the San Diego Police Department to aid in its criminal investigation, and continue to do so as we cooperate fully.

 

[utgrizfan]

What a shit storm

[Coog kev]

I read about this when it unfolded.  I was not going to say boo about it.  I dig San Diego State much.  Nonetheless, I remain disappointed re negative culture.  Undisciplined behavior.  This is hard to 'look away' re the allegations.  It is.

[Spaztecs]

On 6/14/2022 at 2:35 PM, AztecAlien said:

Oct. 27, 2021: SDSU responded to the individuals sharing anonymous information, requesting that the individuals contact the Title IX Coordinator so that the Title IX Coordinator could learn more about the incident. All of the anonymous reporters declined the meeting request.

 Individuals shared anonymous information about the alleged sexual assault with SDSU, but were not able to provide first-hand, witness accounts regarding the incident. In follow-up communications to those individuals, SDSU asked each to share information with SDPD, and the university provided contact information for the SDPD sergeant handling the investigation.

June 6, 2022: To date, no victims or witnesses have reported the incident to SDSU’s Title IX office or the University Police Department. SDPD has not confirmed the name of the victim or any alleged to have been involved." 

https://titleix.sdsu.edu/university-statements#sdsuactions

@halfmanhalfbronco

I think this accurately sums up why not much has happened in this matter.

To date, there is nothing but hearsay, accusations, and innuendo. People like you who insist upon instant justice, smear campaigns, pulling Scholarships, etc. only contribute to modern day witch hunts.

It was either a slow newsday for the LATimes to run this article , or the editor has an axe to grind with SDSU.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 6/15/2022 at 8:46 AM, Spaztecs said:

@halfmanhalfbronco

I think this accurately sums up why not much has happened in this matter.

To date, there is nothing but hearsay, accusations, and innuendo. People like you who insist upon instant justice, smear campaigns, pulling Scholarships, etc. only contribute to modern day witch hunts.

It was either a slow newsday for the LATimes to run this article , or the editor has an axe to grind with SDSU.

I insisted on no such things.  I insisted that they had a duty to open a title IV investigation and alert the community, and suspend the players in question in the meantime.  That is not any of the things you said.

 

[AztecSU]

On 6/15/2022 at 10:29 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

I insisted on no such things.  I insisted that they had a duty to open a title IV investigation and alert the community, and suspend the players in question in the meantime.  That is not any of the things you said.

 

How can they suspend players if they dont know who they are? Did you read everything on this?