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On 5/26/2022 at 10:26 AM, HR_Poke said:

I've been dragging my heels on react and react-native.  I know I need to learn it as it opens up so much more for my company in terms of accessibility with mobile for our field employees.  My grad advisor tried to get me into it and I got lazy as it was near the end of my program.  I just need to sit down and do it...

if i didn't have 9 hundred million things to do i'd love to consult for y'all.  you've got my number if you want free advice.  we could zoom for a moment if you think it'd help.

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incidentally, @smltwnrckr, i admire your classical education approach to thinking, expression of idea, literature, and where the confluence between those factors and culture and society exists

i've read all of your posts, slowly, because i think what you're saying is important to hear and understand, even if i don't necessarily agree.  thank you for making me better.

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On 5/26/2022 at 8:29 AM, AndroidAggie said:

if i didn't have 9 hundred million things to do i'd love to consult for y'all.  you've got my number if you want free advice.  we could zoom for a moment if you think it'd help.

For sure, I might take you up on that.  Right now they have me focused on geodesy and learning survey control to take over that department.  But I will get back to programming probably by the end of the year. 

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On 5/24/2022 at 10:46 PM, bsu_alum9 said:

I’d be okay if all of Richard Brautigan’s work burned. Mankind would be better off without his schizophrenic nonsense. At the very least Trout Fishing in America should be banned from Idaho’s high schools. Mayonnaise. 

watch yourself...lol

brautigan's writing is amazing. trout fishing in america is one of the greatest works of literature over the last half century plus...

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On 5/25/2022 at 7:05 PM, grandjean87 said:

Nah. That’s our word of the day. My heels are flat. This just seemed a good thread to give a little pushback. 

On most of this we don’t really disagree.  I see the recent events pretty similar. I knew you didn’t support the absurd notion (blanket no restrictions) although the totality of your posts could have given the impression you lean quite far in that direction.  So, the clarity provided in your last post is welcome. When I used the word porn in a sideways manner, it was porn. I didn’t conflate it with literature falsely label as such. That’s where your thoughts went.  

So, where do we disagree?  

I think you are overly blase at the trajectory of the contemporary banned book movement. 

On 5/26/2022 at 9:32 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Am I the only one who can not stand audio books?  

Ok for car drives. Stick to Sci fi and fantasy though.  Those are kind of meant to be read

Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. 

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On 5/26/2022 at 8:40 AM, SAMO said:

Just re-read Marquis de Sade's "Justine" recently...love that book if only because it shows we're all whores for the right price...lol

Now you're talking my language!

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On 5/26/2022 at 7:40 AM, HR_Poke said:

Now you're talking my language!

was banned from publication for years...as with all of the Sade's books...and its definitely worth checking out...if only to read about people who masturbate while eating...lol

 

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On 5/26/2022 at 10:40 AM, SAMO said:

Just re-read Marquis de Sade's "Justine" recently...love that book if only because it shows we're all whores for the right price...lol

 

On 5/26/2022 at 10:40 AM, HR_Poke said:

Now you're talking my language!

my kids and i went and visited chateux de vincennes where sade, among other prisoners, was once held.  guy was a character, all right.

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On 5/25/2022 at 11:52 PM, bsu_alum9 said:

Yeah, most apps you can speed up/slow down the speed which is nice. I typically go with 1.5-1.8x because my wife talks fast and I’m used to that speed. I started listening to them while working out instead of music. Got tired of the same music playlists.

And one of the books that got me into it is probably on the banned list - Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle, which supposedly was a major influence on the formation of the FDA. One of the best listens on librivox.

The socialism chapters toward the end were over the top in my opinion, but the story was so damned horrifying and captivating it was hard to take off the headphones for the first 90%.

I added Candide and The Jungle to my favorites on Librivox 👍🏻

 

 

 

 

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On 5/26/2022 at 8:42 AM, SAMO said:

was banned from publication for years...as with all of the Sade's books...and its definitely worth checking out...if only to read about people who masturbate while eating...lol

 

read about it?!?!  I Live it!!!!

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On 5/26/2022 at 8:48 AM, AndroidAggie said:

 

my kids and i went and visited chateux de vincennes where sade, among other prisoners, was once held.  guy was a character, all right.

Nice!  I need to travel more....  House and kids keep taking all my money...

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On 5/26/2022 at 10:50 AM, HR_Poke said:

Nice!  I need to travel more....  House and kids keep taking all my money...

it helps when you're on the east coast.  we found tickets for like $300 a pop before covid.  then, we allowed ourselves to get bumped for a flight the following day to the tune of $2000 per person.  that was $12000 in flight vouchers and prepaid credit cards.  was awesome.

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On 5/26/2022 at 8:57 AM, AndroidAggie said:

it helps when you're on the east coast.  we found tickets for like $300 a pop before covid.  then, we allowed ourselves to get bumped for a flight the following day to the tune of $2000 per person.  that was $12000 in flight vouchers and prepaid credit cards.  was awesome.

Ah nice, yeah from Denver to get to the east coast is $400+ then even more to get to Europe.

Did you guys upgrade to business/first class?

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On 5/26/2022 at 10:59 AM, HR_Poke said:

Ah nice, yeah from Denver to get to the east coast is $400+ then even more to get to Europe.

Did you guys upgrade to business/first class?

nah, they didn't do that for us.  the next flight was just as overbooked.  we were happy with the $12000.  it meant we flew from jfk to paris, then over to a train station (bercy) a train and went down to clermont, rented a car at the train station in clermont, and then drove to vichy to see our friends.  it was almost 24 hours of travel but man what an adventure

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On 5/25/2022 at 4:05 PM, grandjean87 said:

Nah. That’s our word of the day. My heels are flat. This just seemed a good thread to give a little pushback. 

On most of this we don’t really disagree.  I see the recent events pretty similar. I knew you didn’t support the absurd notion (blanket no restrictions) although the totality of your posts could have given the impression you lean quite far in that direction.  So, the clarity provided in your last post is welcome. When I used the word porn in a sideways manner, it was porn. I didn’t conflate it with literature falsely label as such. That’s where your thoughts went.  

So, where do we disagree?  

I actually appreciate the pushback, and will say that it's probably true that I took thoughts to places that you weren't explicitly going... though I will say that I till think they are comparable, since the term porn is used (falsely) most of the time to ban books with challenging content in schools.

I think our disagreement is the extent to which what is going on now is new or the same story being told again. I think that a longtime educator's perspective is one wherein angry parents complaining about a book or about course content is just part of the job and something that happens over and over again would see this as part of a cyclical pattern that eventually ends with the same content basically being taught the same way... something that will come and go. And I don't think that is necessarily unreasonable. Time will tell on that one.

However, the thing that I do think is different, and IMO it's hard to deny, is the extent to which this current movement against what started as claims of (mostly false) CRT in schools and has now (mostly gay) sexual content in books is that this is a national movement, spearheaded by ideologues and activists who are acting in bad faith, organized and funded by national money and political organizations, and generally fueled by national culture war energy and national media. I think that is new, or at least significant, the extent to which this is national politics functioning at the local level, as opposed to what I believe was the inverse in terms of most past controversies over content in education. 

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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On 5/25/2022 at 11:54 PM, bsu_alum9 said:

Another historically great banned novel is Voltaire’s Candide. Oldest media to make me laugh out loud.

I dunno... the fart jokes in the Canterbury Tales are hilarious. 

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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