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So this professor at ODU decides to write a book about men attracted to children, and tries to make the case that being attracted to children is not immoral and calling them pedophiles creates a stigma that they don’t deserve. He wants them called MAP, (Minor Attracted Person....something like that) and not use the hurtful pedophile tag. He’s against  these people carrying out their desires, but still doesn’t see them as immoral or not deserving of judgment.

So ODU fires the guy, and then he gets a job at a place called the Prostasia Foundation which is....wait for it.......a Child Sex Abuse Center. You couldn’t have made this up if you tried.
 

 

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The center that hired him is tied to John Hopkins, which isn't a Ma and Pop outfit.  The HR department head needs to be shit canned.  Looks like vetting and checking previous employment records and references doesn't matter. Last time I checked, employers aren't required to hire everyone that applies for a job.

Here were their hiring remarks:

"Allyn Walker, PhD, joins the Moore Center for the Prevention of Child Sexual Abuse as a postdoctoral fellow on May 25, 2022," a spokesperson noted. 

"Walker is a leader in the field of perpetration prevention research, which is essential for developing a comprehensive public health approach to addressing child sexual abuse and effective prevention programs," the spokesperson added. "Walker previously served as an assistant professor of sociology and criminal justice at Old Dominion University."

"Walker’s expertise and qualitative research methodology will enhance and advance the Center’s work," the spokesperson concluded.

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On 5/14/2022 at 10:58 AM, utenation said:

The center that hired him is tied to John Hopkins, which isn't a Ma and Pop outfit.  The HR department head needs to be shit canned.  Looks like vetting and checking previous employment records and references doesn't matter. Last time I checked, employers aren't required to hire everyone that applies for a job.

Here were their hiring remarks:

"Allyn Walker, PhD, joins the Moore Center for the Prevention of Child Sexual Abuse as a postdoctoral fellow on May 25, 2022," a spokesperson noted. 

"Walker is a leader in the field of perpetration prevention research, which is essential for developing a comprehensive public health approach to addressing child sexual abuse and effective prevention programs," the spokesperson added. "Walker previously served as an assistant professor of sociology and criminal justice at Old Dominion University."

"Walker’s expertise and qualitative research methodology will enhance and advance the Center’s work," the spokesperson concluded.

In order to prevent child sex abuse, don’t you think it’s necessary to understand those who commit the abuse? And if there’s a way to prevent them from acting on those desires, shouldn’t we do that? 

As a straight man, I can’t really help who I’m attracted to. I’ve got a pretty particular physical type. Most of us do, wherever you fall on the spectrum. I couldn’t change it even if I wanted to. So if the same holds true for pedophiles, shouldn’t we identify them early, before the act on their desires? Seems like the only way to do that is to destigmatize them so they come forward themselves, rather than shaming them. Shame keeps them in the dark and more likely to act, no? 

Point being the guy might be onto something and maybe we shouldn’t completely dismiss it because it’s icky. 

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On 5/14/2022 at 2:03 PM, SJSUMFA2013 said:

In order to prevent child sex abuse, don’t you think it’s necessary to understand those who commit the abuse? And if there’s a way to prevent them from acting on those desires, shouldn’t we do that? 

As a straight man, I can’t really help who I’m attracted to. I’ve got a pretty particular physical type. Most of us do, wherever you fall on the spectrum. I couldn’t change it even if I wanted to. So if the same holds true for pedophiles, shouldn’t we identify them early, before the act on their desires? Seems like the only way to do that is to destigmatize them so they come forward themselves, rather than shaming them. Shame keeps them in the dark and more likely to act, no? 

Point being the guy might be onto something and maybe we shouldn’t completely dismiss it because it’s icky. 

We don't know all his details for sure. What is your gut feeling on this one? My gut feeling is he's bad news.  I'd love for him to prove me wrong. I'll buy it.  I'd still take a pass on hiring him just based on the ODU issues.  

I would think there's some other qualified folks out there too with less or no baggage.

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I disagree fundamentally with his approach but his entire career is based around preventing child sex abuse.

He's doing a hell of a lot more towards preventing harm to children than the average "Save the Children" "groomers are everywhere" Facebook meme posters, that's for sure.

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On 5/14/2022 at 1:10 PM, utenation said:

We don't know all his details for sure. What is your gut feeling on this one? My gut feeling is he's bad news.  I'd love for him to prove me wrong. I'll buy it.  I'd still take a pass on hiring him just based on the ODU issues.  

I would think there's some other qualified folks out there too with less or no baggage.

I honestly don’t know because the only “news” I’ve seen on him is right-wing groomer panic. Usually I’m for whatever they oppose. 

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On 5/14/2022 at 3:53 PM, SJSUMFA2013 said:

I honestly don’t know because the only “news” I’ve seen on him is right-wing groomer panic. Usually I’m for whatever they oppose. 

Here is a joint letter between him and ODU.  ODU will take the high road on specifics.  Like I said, there’s not a lot pointing to him being a good fit for this profession. Trying to normalize pedafiles in anyway is a show stopper for me. 

https://www.odu.edu/news/2021/11/a_statement_from_old_dominion_university#.YoA_5_dMEWO

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On 5/14/2022 at 4:51 PM, utenation said:

Here is a joint letter between him and ODU.  ODU will take the high road on specifics.  Like I said, there’s not a lot pointing to him being a good fit for this profession. Trying to normalize pedafiles in anyway is a show stopper for me. 

https://www.odu.edu/news/2021/11/a_statement_from_old_dominion_university#.YoA_5_dMEWO

Not much to go on there. 


I remember reading a story about a guy - I wish I could find it now but I can’t remember any specifics and I don’t need the stuff I can remember in my search history - who was 19 and trying to live his life as a “moral” pedophile. When he hit puberty he started looking to the internet for sexual content - as one does - and came to realize that the stuff he was into was a) illegal and b) harmful. He realized what he was and that acting on his desires was abusing children. He tearfully “came out” to his mom - which must just be a horrifying thing to experience as a parent - and they went about seeking help together. There is no known therapy that will stop his desires, but he resists the urge to act on them. In his mind, fantasy is ok. It doesn’t hurt anyone. But seeking out porn or an irl victim is crossing a line and he refuses to do it. 

I wouldn’t want to spend any time around this guy, but it sounds far better than the alternative. Trying to “cure” them is a fools errand from what I understand, and the other option is to wait for them to victimize a child. And maybe they don’t get caught right away. And maybe they get good at getting away with it. And maybe they disguise themselves as someone concerned about child welfare and that gets them access to more victims. I’d rather they go to some kind of support group from a young age. I wouldn’t want to be involved, but if that stops them from hurting kids I’m all for it. They’re not just going to disappear. I’m not sure it’s “normalizing” them so much as recognizing that what we’re currently doing isn’t working and we need to try something else. 

All that said, I don’t really know the specifics of his research. Sounds like some strongly disagree with the approach, but he’s also been mischaracterized as a “groomer” when his stated goal is to stop sexual abuse against children. 

I feel icky defending it, but it’s not like there are a ton of good ideas out there. 

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On 5/14/2022 at 7:12 PM, SJSUMFA2013 said:

I feel icky defending it, but it’s not like there are a ton of good ideas out there. 

You shouldn't. You are trying to see all sides, which is good. 15K parents/others signed a petition to get him removed from ODU. I think that says something.  I have zero issues with the trans choice. 

I also could go sit down and have a beer(or whatever) with this person with an open mind and not feel threatened whatsoever.  But if one of my family members needed help in his field, I wouldn't chose him. 

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On 5/14/2022 at 1:03 PM, SJSUMFA2013 said:

In order to prevent child sex abuse, don’t you think it’s necessary to understand those who commit the abuse? And if there’s a way to prevent them from acting on those desires, shouldn’t we do that? 

As a straight man, I can’t really help who I’m attracted to. I’ve got a pretty particular physical type. Most of us do, wherever you fall on the spectrum. I couldn’t change it even if I wanted to. So if the same holds true for pedophiles, shouldn’t we identify them early, before the act on their desires? Seems like the only way to do that is to destigmatize them so they come forward themselves, rather than shaming them. Shame keeps them in the dark and more likely to act, no? 

Point being the guy might be onto something and maybe we shouldn’t completely dismiss it because it’s icky. 

Here’s the bottom line. Wether you have the desire to go kill someone, rape someone, molest a child, our society has decided that you don’t have to be able to solve your desire problem by yourself. But society deems the responsibility does fall on the person to reach out for help. 

Don’t you think if we de-stigmafied pedophiles by not calling them pedophiles unless they got to the point of molesting kids there would also be unintended consequences of giving them some normalcy and breathing room not too feel mentally ill making them less likely come forward? Many would certainly think, “OK, I’m being recognized with sympathy and understanding, so I’m being accepted the way I am. I can handle this myself, and I really don’t need to get majorly embarrassed and humiliated in seeking help.” And then they fvck up.

So it’s pretty obvious to me that it would take the pressure off many of these people to seek help. It is their responsibility to do this regardless of what stigma is or isn’t out there. Studies show that many people that have these desires eventually can’t resist and do molest.

The problem I have with the left winger mentality such as yours is that you seem to be mostly concerned about the mentally ill person, and have very little concern about future victims. I could give a fvck about a pedophiles feelings dealing with his problem. I give a fvck about keeping this person from ruining totally innocent lives. 

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On 5/14/2022 at 10:09 PM, Nevada Convert said:

Here’s the bottom line. Wether you have the desire to go kill someone, rape someone, molest a child, our society has decided that you don’t have to be able to solve your desire problem by yourself. But society deems the responsibility does fall on the person to reach out for help. 

Don’t you think if we de-stigmafied pedophiles by not calling them pedophiles unless they got to the point of molesting kids there would also be unintended consequences of giving them some normalcy and breathing room not too feel mentally ill making them less likely come forward? Many would certainly think, “OK, I’m being recognized with sympathy and understanding, so I’m being accepted the way I am. I can handle this myself, and I really don’t need to get majorly embarrassed and humiliated in seeking help.” And then they fvck up.

So it’s pretty obvious to me that it would take the pressure off many of these people to seek help. It is their responsibility to do this regardless of what stigma is or isn’t out there. Studies show that many people that have these desires eventually can’t resist and do molest.

The problem I have with the left winger mentality such as yours is that you seem to be mostly concerned about the mentally ill person, and have very little concern about future victims. I could give a fvck about a pedophiles feelings dealing with his problem. I give a fvck about keeping this person from ruining totally innocent lives. 

Sweet virtue signal bro!

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On 5/14/2022 at 11:09 PM, Nevada Convert said:

Here’s the bottom line. Wether you have the desire to go kill someone, rape someone, molest a child, our society has decided that you don’t have to be able to solve your desire problem by yourself. But society deems the responsibility does fall on the person to reach out for help. 

Don’t you think if we de-stigmafied pedophiles by not calling them pedophiles unless they got to the point of molesting kids there would also be unintended consequences of giving them some normalcy and breathing room not too feel mentally ill making them less likely come forward? Many would certainly think, “OK, I’m being recognized with sympathy and understanding, so I’m being accepted the way I am. I can handle this myself, and I really don’t need to get majorly embarrassed and humiliated in seeking help.” And then they fvck up.

So it’s pretty obvious to me that it would take the pressure off many of these people to seek help. It is their responsibility to do this regardless of what stigma is or isn’t out there. Studies show that many people that have these desires eventually can’t resist and do molest.

The problem I have with the left winger mentality such as yours is that you seem to be mostly concerned about the mentally ill person, and have very little concern about future victims. I could give a fvck about a pedophiles feelings dealing with his problem. I give a fvck about keeping this person from ruining totally innocent lives. 

Exactly the opposite... If destigmafied people are more likely to come forward. I'm with sjsu here. It's icky and not something I plan on doing a lot of research into and there are some fuzzy linrs and people with bad intentions but on its surface I understand the reasoning behind this type of stuff in stopping child abuse. 

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On 5/15/2022 at 6:10 AM, tspoke said:

Exactly the opposite... If destigmafied people are more likely to come forward. I'm with sjsu here. It's icky and not something I plan on doing a lot of research into and there are some fuzzy linrs and people with bad intentions but on its surface I understand the reasoning behind this type of stuff in stopping child abuse. 

No, it makes sense that it would work both ways depending on the person, but you have no idea how much of each. 

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