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https://www.businessinsider.com/how-college-athletes-are-getting-paid-from-nil-endorsement-deals-2021-12

How college athletes are getting paid from brand sponsorships as NIL marketing takes of

While many schools are being tight-lipped about how much their student-athletes are earning from NIL activities, in November, the University of Arkansas released data on how much its student-athletes had earned since July 1.

It reported that 140 of its student-athletes had participated in some type of NIL activity, working with over 170 companies on at least 300 agreements and earning an average of $4,102. Football, basketball, softball, and baseball players saw the highest volume of NIL deals at Arkansas, according to the university.

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On 7/10/2022 at 7:30 PM, Rebels18 said:

I agree about Hamilton 100%---with his size/athleticism the writing was on the wall.

Williams at 6'6 with a 7+ ft wing span with hops and a smooth 3pt stroke I saw him in a few 2023 Mock NBA drafts as one of the last picks taken in the 2nd Round. He had some scouts on to him...If he made the transition from 6th man to #1 scoring option at UNLV putting up 14ppg+ I think he would be in a much better situation than he is now. He ended the season on a major fizzle trying to come back from his injury. 

As long as you're under 23 years old for draft day, I think you take every shot you can to improve your stock in college for the NBA. You can't be any lower on the totem pole than he is now. 

Williams staying in the draft was a bit of a shocker--it just made too much sense for him to step into the #1 role and Kruger just plain dropped the ball not closing him on staying. 

Williams had made it clear that playing pro was his priority since his college recruitment started. Shaka Smart recruited him by selling him on being able to get to the nba, when playing time never came for Williams, he bolted. His number one priority was being a pro.
 

I said all of this when he announced his intentions to go through the draft process. I don’t think there was anything Kruger could’ve said to keep him. 

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On 7/10/2022 at 9:02 PM, UNLV2001 said:

No idea, but I'm seeing things about a $10,000 threshold on reporting to IRS ?!?! - Some of these schools are setting up 7 figure LLC's to fund these NIL's acting like some pro agency firms 

If this below is any indication of where the NIL game is going, you can pretty much cross off most schools that don't have super rich boosters willing to fund these NIL's 

https://www.si.com/college/2022/03/12/five-star-recruit-signed-nil-deal-8-million#:~:text=Report%3A Class of 2023 Football,Potentially Worth Over %248 Million&text=A class of 2023 five,college%2C according to The Athletic.

A class of 2023 five-star football recruit has reportedly signed a name, image and likeness deal with a school’s collective that could be worth more than $8 million by the end of junior year of college, according to The Athletic

This is believed to be the largest NIL deal by a non-professional athlete. 

Per the report, the unnamed rising star would be paid $350,000 “almost immediately” and then receive monthly payments that would increase to more than $2 million a year when the athlete is on campus. In exchange, he will make public appearances and play a role in social media promotions as well as participate in other NIL activities. 

Yeah I saw this one and I wondered if UNLV even had someone who could fund six-figures let alone 8?!  I wasn’t sure about DW’s deal but I knew he had one.  I get that he will either play in G-league or overseas but the Rebel in me would have loved to see him come back to UNLV, lead the team in scoring and maybe some type of post-season run and then go to the next level.  I think he and his career would have been better served by doing that.

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On 7/11/2022 at 10:06 AM, 303Rebel said:

Yeah I saw this one and I wondered if UNLV even had someone who could fund six-figures let alone 8?!  I wasn’t sure about DW’s deal but I knew he had one.  I get that he will either play in G-league or overseas but the Rebel in me would have loved to see him come back to UNLV, lead the team in scoring and maybe some type of post-season run and then go to the next level.  I think he and his career would have been better served by doing that.

The only NIL I saw involving DW was the small casino in downtown Henderson and why that casino opted for a UNLV player is odd considering their demo customer is probably 50+ on a limited income -- Not sure DW appeals to that demo --- Guessing that was for a few hundred dollars & the casino can say they are UNLV supporters.

As for UNLV or most of the MWC Unless there's some extremely deep pocketed boosters/fans/companies in those markets that feel the need to go big in the NIL game, I don't see the MWC or most of college sports outside the 25-30 super college programs that will be able to compete with the top level 

My initial thinking is MWC programs are going to have to live with the transfer portal each year to get the P5 players who aren't getting their playing time to drop down to MWC type programs -- Basically the tactic we are seeing from Kruger with BB, he's scouting P5 benches for guys who might want more PT and looking at guys who are excelling at lower end schools who might have been underrated when recruited -- Maybe grab a HS player here & there .

Going to be interesting times, but I expect it to be a grind for schools not in the privileged few conferences 

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On 7/11/2022 at 12:03 PM, UNLV2001 said:

The only NIL I saw involving DW was the small casino in downtown Henderson and why that casino opted for a UNLV player is odd considering their demo customer is probably 50+ on a limited income -- Not sure DW appeals to that demo --- Guessing that was for a few hundred dollars & the casino can say they are UNLV supporters.

As for UNLV or most of the MWC Unless there's some extremely deep pocketed boosters/fans/companies in those markets that feel the need to go big in the NIL game, I don't see the MWC or most of college sports outside the 25-30 super college programs that will be able to compete with the top level 

My initial thinking is MWC programs are going to have to live with the transfer portal each year to get the P5 players who aren't getting their playing time to drop down to MWC type programs -- Basically the tactic we are seeing from Kruger with BB, he's scouting P5 benches for guys who might want more PT and looking at guys who are excelling at lower end schools who might have been underrated when recruited -- Maybe grab a HS player here & there .

Going to be interesting times, but I expect it to be a grind for schools not in the privileged few conferences 

I’m okay with this, Kevin seems to have a knack for the portal already.  Arroyo needs to get better at it pronto, he’s running out of time to not reach at least bowl eligibility! 

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On 7/11/2022 at 4:06 PM, 303Rebel said:

I’m okay with this, Kevin seems to have a knack for the portal already.  Arroyo needs to get better at it pronto, he’s running out of time to not reach at least bowl eligibility! 

I'd wager the MWC BB programs will have an easier time of it than FB programs -- BB can turn on a couple of guys working out...........FB not so much 

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On 7/11/2022 at 4:06 PM, 303Rebel said:

I’m okay with this, Kevin seems to have a knack for the portal already.  Arroyo needs to get better at it pronto, he’s running out of time to not reach at least bowl eligibility! 

Kevin Kruger needs the portal because he can’t recruit HS players.  By your logic, it would be because he is lazy.

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On 7/10/2022 at 10:49 PM, Rosegreen said:

Williams had made it clear that playing pro was his priority since his college recruitment started. Shaka Smart recruited him by selling him on being able to get to the nba, when playing time never came for Williams, he bolted. His number one priority was being a pro.
 

I said all of this when he announced his intentions to go through the draft process. I don’t think there was anything Kruger could’ve said to keep him. 

Every 4-star recruit has unrealistic NBA aspirations--what percentage of them actually stick to an NBA roster? Even most of the 5-star kids don't make it long-term.

Which coach/school is gonna get me to the NBA is always going to be every recruit's #1 priority. 

Kruger needed to level with Williams and tell him "Why the hell are you leaving if we both know you're 100% going undrafted? Of course these shark agents and scouts are going to sell you on being a 'preferred' undrafted FA is a better route than college---that way they lure your talent for NOTHING with zero skin in the game for them. You're worth more than that, with Bryce gone this is your chance to prove you're worth a draft-pick investment next year. I've grown up around Las Vegas NBA Summer Ball/G-League my entire life and leaving now would be a huge mistake on your part...I've seen too many talented kids get chewed up and spit out in the G-League trap when they could've benefited so much more maturing another year in college"

Kruger can't close---and his recruiting results reflect that. 

 

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On 7/11/2022 at 7:30 PM, Rebels18 said:

Every 4-star recruit has unrealistic NBA aspirations--what percentage of them actually stick to an NBA roster? Even most of the 5-star kids don't make it long-term.

Which coach/school is gonna get me to the NBA is always going to be every recruit's #1 priority. 

Kruger needed to level with Williams and tell him "Why the hell are you leaving if we both know you're 100% going undrafted? Of course these shark agents and scouts are going to sell you on being a 'preferred' undrafted FA is a better route than college---that way they lure your talent for NOTHING with zero skin in the game for them. You're worth more than that, with Bryce gone this is your chance to prove you're worth a draft-pick investment next year. I've grown up around Las Vegas NBA Summer Ball/G-League my entire life and leaving now would be a huge mistake on your part...I've seen too many talented kids get chewed up and spit out in the G-League trap when they could've benefited so much more maturing another year in college"

Kruger can't close---and his recruiting results reflect that. 

 

So then do you expect the team to be worse this year?

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On 7/11/2022 at 7:08 PM, quickdraw said:

So then do you expect the team to be worse this year?

It's a crapshoot. On paper, did Kruger reload the loss of DWill/Bryce/Royce from a talent perspective? Well, they landed one Top-100 Transfer, a low-tier 3-star HS kid, some under the radar bench warmer transfers, and a desperation JC big-man after every other target was a WHIFF with recruiting battle losses to the likes of Utah, Washington St, and New Mexico to name a few.

One thing is obvious about this team:  Their success hinges on them being greater than the sum of their parts. I think this will be a lateral season, which is fine for 'stability' but nothing that's going to revive the program. Excuses for Kruger in Year 1 was he just slapped a roster together in April with not much in the cupboard to build off of.  The success we did have was Daddy Kruger bringing in Hartman to snipe a few Big-12 kids. This offseason, the expectations were he needed to make big waves in the transfer portal for us to take a big step-up and he just straight-up failed to do that. Once again, NCAA Tournament seems unlikely. 

We also lost Hartman---and he might've been the guy on the coaching staff that made Kruger look good. Jury is still out there too. 

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On 7/11/2022 at 8:36 PM, Rebels18 said:

It's a crapshoot. On paper, did Kruger reload the loss of DWill/Bryce/Royce from a talent perspective? Well, they landed one Top-100 Transfer, a low-tier 3-star HS kid, some under the radar bench warmer transfers, and a desperation JC big-man after every other target was a WHIFF with recruiting battle losses to the likes of Utah, Washington St, and New Mexico to name a few.

One thing is obvious about this team:  Their success hinges on them being greater than the sum of their parts. I think this will be a lateral season, which is fine for 'stability' but nothing that's going to revive the program. Excuses for Kruger in Year 1 was he just slapped a roster together in April with not much in the cupboard to build off of.  The success we did have was Daddy Kruger bringing in Hartman to snipe a few Big-12 kids. This offseason, the expectations were he needed to make big waves in the transfer portal for us to take a big step-up and he just straight-up failed to do that. Once again, NCAA Tournament seems unlikely. 

We also lost Hartman---and he might've been the guy on the coaching staff that made Kruger look good. Jury is still out there too. 

I’m past putting a lot of stock in some evaluation service. How many times have they whiffed? Get a better look from the transfers having played D1. I have no idea what to expect but I do expect defense to take another step forward. Offense is a big mystery but most bench players don’t get the green light to shoot. How these guys progress during this off season won’t be known till November.

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On 7/11/2022 at 6:30 PM, Rebels18 said:

Every 4-star recruit has unrealistic NBA aspirations--what percentage of them actually stick to an NBA roster? Even most of the 5-star kids don't make it long-term.

Which coach/school is gonna get me to the NBA is always going to be every recruit's #1 priority. 

Kruger needed to level with Williams and tell him "Why the hell are you leaving if we both know you're 100% going undrafted? Of course these shark agents and scouts are going to sell you on being a 'preferred' undrafted FA is a better route than college---that way they lure your talent for NOTHING with zero skin in the game for them. You're worth more than that, with Bryce gone this is your chance to prove you're worth a draft-pick investment next year. I've grown up around Las Vegas NBA Summer Ball/G-League my entire life and leaving now would be a huge mistake on your part...I've seen too many talented kids get chewed up and spit out in the G-League trap when they could've benefited so much more maturing another year in college"

Kruger can't close---and his recruiting results reflect that. 

 

We e disagreed on A LOT, but we are in COMPLETE agreement regarding Kevin Kruger.  He might even be a worse recruiter than his dad.

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On 7/11/2022 at 8:52 PM, ph90702 said:

We e disagreed on A LOT, but we are in COMPLETE agreement regarding Kevin Kruger.  He might even be a worse recruiter than his dad.

My convictions are wavering by this realization 

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On 7/11/2022 at 6:30 PM, Rebels18 said:

Every 4-star recruit has unrealistic NBA aspirations--what percentage of them actually stick to an NBA roster? Even most of the 5-star kids don't make it long-term.

Which coach/school is gonna get me to the NBA is always going to be every recruit's #1 priority. 

Kruger needed to level with Williams and tell him "Why the hell are you leaving if we both know you're 100% going undrafted? Of course these shark agents and scouts are going to sell you on being a 'preferred' undrafted FA is a better route than college---that way they lure your talent for NOTHING with zero skin in the game for them. You're worth more than that, with Bryce gone this is your chance to prove you're worth a draft-pick investment next year. I've grown up around Las Vegas NBA Summer Ball/G-League my entire life and leaving now would be a huge mistake on your part...I've seen too many talented kids get chewed up and spit out in the G-League trap when they could've benefited so much more maturing another year in college"

Kruger can't close---and his recruiting results reflect that. 

 

I recall Shaka Smart saying DW was one of the most talented or prototypical NBA prospect he’s coached. Something along those lines but the point is everyone has been in DW’s ear about his talent, nba prospects. He wasn’t waiting another year. 
 

Though I will say that someone more established like a Cronin/Cal veteran coach type with serious weight behind his words, maybe that changes DW’s equation but I really think there was nothing Kruger could say other than support his decision. 

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On 7/11/2022 at 7:36 PM, Rebels18 said:

It's a crapshoot. On paper, did Kruger reload the loss of DWill/Bryce/Royce from a talent perspective? Well, they landed one Top-100 Transfer, a low-tier 3-star HS kid, some under the radar bench warmer transfers, and a desperation JC big-man after every other target was a WHIFF with recruiting battle losses to the likes of Utah, Washington St, and New Mexico to name a few.

One thing is obvious about this team:  Their success hinges on them being greater than the sum of their parts. I think this will be a lateral season, which is fine for 'stability' but nothing that's going to revive the program. Excuses for Kruger in Year 1 was he just slapped a roster together in April with not much in the cupboard to build off of.  The success we did have was Daddy Kruger bringing in Hartman to snipe a few Big-12 kids. This offseason, the expectations were he needed to make big waves in the transfer portal for us to take a big step-up and he just straight-up failed to do that. Once again, NCAA Tournament seems unlikely. 

We also lost Hartman---and he might've been the guy on the coaching staff that made Kruger look good. Jury is still out there too. 

The whiff on the big boy that went to Utah, really hurts. He looks like a giant linebacker, actually looks like a prime Karl Malone on the court. Nobody was outmuscling that kid for a rebound or getting through him on screens. He was perfect for this team, I was having Kaspars Kambala flashbacks watching his reel. 
 

(sigh) it is what it is. Kruger jr better be tough and demanding on his players this go around. No more +++++ing around and approach every game like the season depends on it, because it does. I do not want a repeat of last years disaster ending. 
 

 

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