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...contacted the Presidents and advocated for a meeting with any kind of officiating representation within the MW, along with a conversation with the NCAA about consistency in the practice. It's seems like an inconsistent approach to intra conference officiating and inter conference officiating may be skewing play.

In addition, it might not be a bad idea for the Conference to start an OOC threshold and standard of performance.

I'm convinced, now, that there is an institutional failure of performance among the MW membership that needs to be analyzed and reconciled.

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dude, thank you!  i feel like spinning my wheels for years here--but what have I been complaining about all this time concerning basketball in the MWC?!

1. MWC schools schedule weak OOC

2. MWC officiating is too soft and conditions MWC teams poorly for NCAA Tournament

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Still, blaming the Refs for MW futility.

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6 hours ago, BacksThePack said:

We had our strongest schedule ever to be fair

If that is the strongest schedule you guys have ever had it just proves the point even more.  You guys literally played 5 WCC schools (no St. Mary's or Gonzaga either) and Washington.  That ain't good enough.  Period.  

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5 minutes ago, Poster17 said:

If that is the strongest schedule you guys have ever had it just proves the point even more.  You guys literally played 5 WCC schools (no St. Mary's or Gonzaga either) and Washington.  That ain't good enough.  Period.  

They also played at Kansas

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1 minute ago, B_Lootz said:

They also played at Kansas

I see that now.  Good.  That is what they need to do, but the point still stands.  One true top 20 program isn't enough as was proven once again in the NCAA tournament.  

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12 minutes ago, B_Lootz said:

They also played at Kansas

In fairness, the Kansas game was set up on the fly when both schools had other games cancelled/postponed due to COVID. In a normal year, it wouldn't have happened.

Kudos to Nevada's AD for taking advantage of unique circumstances, but it's not really the same as going into the season with a tough OOC schedule. The best teams they scheduled normally were San Francisco and South Dakota State. Sure, they both made the tournament, but let's be real, they're not preparing anyone for March.

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Only five MW teams had a OOC SOS in the top 100.. UNM(#4), USU(#29), SDSU(#43), Nevada(#62), and UNLV (#71). 

Because we’re not a P6, I think this should be at least 8 of the 11 teams every year with an SOS in the top 100, imo. We need to collectively come into conference play battle tested and I think this will hopefully pay dividends in March, both with seed placement and performance.

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The MWC strategy is to schedule to game the RPI system.

It's arguably working for them because you get more teams into the dance and better RPIs/seeds/etc.

It doesn't work because it humiliates the conference during tourney time.

 

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On 3/18/2022 at 8:58 AM, WAC_FAN said:

The MWC strategy is to schedule to game the RPI system.

It's arguably working for them because you get more teams into the dance and better RPIs/seeds/etc.

It doesn't work because it humiliates the conference during tourney time.

 

It’s a good thing the RPI system is not being used by the NCAA. As far as I know the formula is this — play tough teams and beat them. If you know it to be different please release it so we can all start gaming it.

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18 minutes ago, TheTedfordTrain said:

Boise State is 0-8 in tournament history and they keep extending Rice. Wild. 

It's because his contract auto-extends every time he wins 18 games. It's the same idiotic contract that Harsin got. Problem is, this removes any incentive to challenge ourselves out-of-conference because it's safer to just play a bunch of Montana Techs and Alabama States to get to 18. Hopefully Dickey puts his foot down and insists on better schedules from now on. Unlike previous ADs we've had, he's been around a serious basketball program and knows how they're built, and this isn't it.

Limiting the discussion to just tournament wins is actually underselling things, BTW. He's been here for 12 seasons and this year was the first time he won either conference title outright. Still no results when it matters. No other program in a multi-bid league would keep a coach for that long with so little to show for it. That's how low the bar is here.

 

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On 3/18/2022 at 11:27 AM, BoiseStateOfMind said:

It's because his contract auto-extends every time he wins 18 games. It's the same idiotic contract that Harsin got. Problem is, this removes any incentive to challenge ourselves out-of-conference because it's safer to just play a bunch of Montana Techs and Alabama States to get to 18. Hopefully Dickey puts his foot down and insists on better schedules from now on. Unlike previous ADs we've had, he's been around a serious basketball program and knows how they're built, and this isn't it.

Limiting the discussion to just tournament wins is actually underselling things, BTW. He's been here for 12 seasons and this year was the first time he won either conference title outright. Still no results when it matters. No other program in a multi-bid league would keep a coach for that long with so little to show for it. That's how low the bar is here.

 

It all started with TCP, that worked just fine so we said, WTF let’s try it with other coaches.  

 

 

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On 3/18/2022 at 8:27 AM, BoiseStateOfMind said:

It's because his contract auto-extends every time he wins 18 games. It's the same idiotic contract that Harsin got. Problem is, this removes any incentive to challenge ourselves out-of-conference because it's safer to just play a bunch of Montana Techs and Alabama States to get to 18. Hopefully Dickey puts his foot down and insists on better schedules from now on. Unlike previous ADs we've had, he's been around a serious basketball program and knows how they're built, and this isn't it.

Limiting the discussion to just tournament wins is actually underselling things, BTW. He's been here for 12 seasons and this year was the first time he won either conference title outright. Still no results when it matters. No other program in a multi-bid league would keep a coach for that long with so little to show for it. That's how low the bar is here.

 

18 games is a low threshold for automatic extension.  It should be 22 at least. 

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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8 minutes ago, BoiseStateOfMind said:

It's because his contract auto-extends every time he wins 18 games. It's the same idiotic contract that Harsin got. Problem is, this removes any incentive to challenge ourselves out-of-conference because it's safer to just play a bunch of Montana Techs and Alabama States to get to 18. Hopefully Dickey puts his foot down and insists on better schedules from now on. Unlike previous ADs we've had, he's been around a serious basketball program and knows how they're built, and this isn't it.

Limiting the discussion to just tournament wins is actually underselling things, BTW. He's been here for 12 seasons and this year was the first time he won either conference title outright. Still no results when it matters. No other program in a multi-bid league would keep a coach for that long with so little to show for it. That's how low the bar is here.

 

Holy crap.....that is really in his contract?  18 wins and he gets an extension?  Wow.

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On 3/18/2022 at 8:34 AM, tailingpermit said:

8 games was also low for football.  

It’s 67% of the games for football. If we applied the same logic to basketball the threshold would be 20 games. 

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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30 minutes ago, TheTedfordTrain said:

Boise State is 0-8 in tournament history and they keep extending Rice. Wild. 

He and his team only played one half of basketball yesterday.

Perhaps, he should only get half the extension.

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