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US Response to Russian Invasion of Ukraine  

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  1. 1. What should the US response to a Russian invasion of Ukraine be?

    • Nuke 'em
    • Full conventional military response, troops, tanks, fighters etc take part in defense of Ukraine
    • Air/missile strikes against key Russian military targets
    • Economic embargo of Russia
    • Economic sanctions against Russia
    • Cutoff diplomatic relations with Russia
    • Nothing.


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14 hours ago, youngredbullfan said:

Unless we dropped nukes the Soviets would have roflstomped us straight off the continent if we tried to fight them lmao

No. It wouldn't have gone great for us, but it wouldn't have gone great for them either. They were reaching the ends of their supply lines too. 

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31 minutes ago, happycamper said:

No. It wouldn't have gone great for us, but it wouldn't have gone great for them either. They were reaching the ends of their supply lines too. 

Hell, we were their supply lines. Good luck keeping those armor divisions up and running with the desolated region of the Eastern Front as your base and no support from the USA. Americans didn’t want to turn on a war ally, even if in hindsight it could’ve worked. They wanted to go home. They earned a peace.

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2 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Hell, we were their supply lines. Good luck keeping those armor divisions up and running with the desolated region of the Eastern Front as your base and no support for the USA. Americans didn’t want to turn on a war ally, even if in hindsight it could’ve worked. They wanted to go home. They earned a peace.

eh. I think it was one of those situations where "it working" may have been worse than what we did. 

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12 minutes ago, happycamper said:

eh. I think it was one of those situations where "it working" may have been worse than what we did. 

Old blood and guts saw it differently. That’s partly why we’re doves and he’s old blood and guts.

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15 hours ago, youngredbullfan said:

Unless we dropped nukes the Soviets would have roflstomped us straight off the continent if we tried to fight them lmao

US military was stretched thin with the war in Japan.  The idea we would have easily taken out Russia is stupid.

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21 minutes ago, Billings said:

US military was stretched thin with the war in Japan.  The idea we would have easily taken out Russia is stupid.

I don't know about the idea being "stupid." Keep in mind Churchill and Great Britain were also entertaining  Patton's strategies. Things could have been very interesting with a U.S./GB coalition. Russia suffered extreme losses and absolutely did not want anymore conflict They we're close to being done. But as other posters stated, attacking Russia with the ally tag could have been controversial and The U.S. just wanted to go home after the war with Japan. 

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1 hour ago, happycamper said:

eh. I think it was one of those situations where "it working" may have been worse than what we did. 

Yeah because if history shows one thing it’s that it’s a mistake to invade Russia. Better generals than Patton have made that mistake. 

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1 minute ago, Old_SD_Dude said:

Yeah because if history shows one thing it’s that it’s a mistake to invade Russia. Better generals than Patton have made that mistake. 

Maybe just don't invade Russia during the winter. 🤔 

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3 minutes ago, AztecAlien said:

Maybe just don't invade Russia during the winter. 🤔 

Well you ain’t gonna take over Russia in one season. There’ll be a winter in their somewhere. And the spring mud is actually worse. That’s one of the reasons why experts think that if Putin goes in he goes in soon while the ground is frozen. 

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5 minutes ago, AztecAlien said:

Maybe just don't invade Russia during the winter. 🤔 

Eh winter was fine! It was the mud season, spring and fall. and also the lack of oil. and the dedicated partisans. and the demographic advantage. 

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9 minutes ago, happycamper said:

Eh winter was fine! It was the mud season, spring and fall. and also the lack of oil. and the dedicated partisans. and the demographic advantage. 

I was kinda referring/joking to winter changing the momentum and the advancement advantage that Hitler and Napoleon had.   

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3 minutes ago, AztecAlien said:

I was kinda referring/joking to winter changing the momentum and the advancement advantage for Hitler and Napoleon.    

Another fun fact: Blitzkriegs were fueled mostly by, well, meth. German troops were issued meth to stay alert/awake, so they could continue attacking without rest. that worked pretty well in France and Poland. Unfortuantely for nazis, you can only keep up a meth binge for 2-3 weeks and Russia is a lot bigger than Germany. So the Russian blitz didn't just fail do to oil/supplies; most of the German army was reaching their limits of the end of a meth binge.

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28 minutes ago, Old_SD_Dude said:

Yeah because if history shows one thing it’s that it’s a mistake to invade Russia. Better generals than Patton have made that mistake. 

Wasn't Patton's main beef that the Allies stopped marching toward eastern Europe when they had the chance because Stalin demanded it at Yalta? In other words, he thought FDR and Ike wussed out on an opportunity to prevent the USSR from putting puppet communist governments in place?

When my dad encountered Soviet troops in Berlin at the end of the war, he found them to be uncouth barbarians. Dad encountered a lot of displaced Hungarians, Romanians, Czechs, etc. and never felt the same about them.

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16 minutes ago, happycamper said:

Another fun fact: Blitzkriegs were fueled mostly by, well, meth. German troops were issued meth to stay alert/awake, so they could continue attacking without rest. that worked pretty well in France and Poland. Unfortuantely for nazis, you can only keep up a meth binge for 2-3 weeks and Russia is a lot bigger than Germany. So the Russian blitz didn't just fail do to oil/supplies; most of the German army was reaching their limits of the end of a meth binge.

Interesting. 🤔 If you have not had the chance to watch the movie Enemy At The Gates with Jude Law and Ed Harris, I recommend it. The movie is about two snipers trying to outwit each other. But there's a pretty accurate description of how the Germans were just slaughtering the out gunned Russians in the beginning. Pretty crazy how the Russians overcame being in a giant hole. Literally.    

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59 minutes ago, Billings said:

US military was stretched thin with the war in Japan.  The idea we would have easily taken out Russia is stupid.

One of the reasons Russia did so well is because We armed them to the teeth in weapons, oil, and supplies.

Russia did not have the industrial capacity to fuel that war machine without us, or the other allies. 

 

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2 hours ago, Billings said:

US military was stretched thin with the war in Japan.  The idea we would have easily taken out Russia is stupid.

Yeah - the logistics of moving on to Russia wasn't realistic - Plus how many of the allies were willing to go along 

There was thinking that the war with Japan could go on for years & be very costly in every aspect 

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1 hour ago, bornontheblue said:

One of the reasons Russia did so well is because We armed them to the teeth in weapons, oil, and supplies.

Russia did not have the industrial capacity to fuel that war machine without us, or the other allies. 

 

Sure but no way you defeat a country that big and try to win a war in Japan as well.  Our allies were tapped and we would not be able to sustain a two front war much longer either.

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3 minutes ago, Billings said:

Sure but no way you defeat a country that big and try to win a war in Japan as well.  Our allies were tapped and we would not be able to sustain a two front war much longer either.

Yeah, the American public was tapped out by that point. Probably no political will left to fight Russia. We barely had enough left to Fight Japan. 

 

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