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Are the MWC, AAC, Sun Belt, and MAC making a strategic error by not finishing off C-USA?

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With the defections of UNT, UTSA, Rice, FAU, Charlotte, UAB, Southern Miss, Marshall, and ODU, C-USA is going to be down to 5 members:
FIU
UTEP
Western KY
Middle TN
LA Tech

There are also 4 independents that might be in play for C-USA
Liberty - supposedly already turned them down
NMSU
UConn
UMass

Beyond that, there are a bunch of FCS schools like Sam Houston State, Missouri State, Tarleton, Kennesaw State, Montana, NDSU, etc. that might consider making the jump if they had a C-USA membership in hand.

It seems like if the MAC took a couple schools on the current C-USA/FBS Independent list, MWC took 1-2, Sun Belt or AAC took 1 more, then C-USA would effectively be killed.

Seems like there would be a number of strategic benefits.

1. It would prevent 5 or 6 more FCS move-ups.  Fewer schools to split the G-5 FBS scraps with.

2. More FCS move-ups forming a complete joke of a conference in C-USA seems like it would give more reason for the P-5 to completely break away, leaving G-5 nothing. 

3. It might open the door to all 4 G-4 conferences getting auto-bids into a 16 team FBS playoff.

4. Since the number of G-5 conferences is down to 4, that is less supply for networks to bid on.  Less supply with a similar amount of demand should mean the price for TV rights should go up.

 

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19 minutes ago, bignasty said:

With the defections of UNT, UTSA, Rice, FAU, Charlotte, UAB, Southern Miss, Marshall, and ODU, C-USA is going to be down to 5 members:
FIU
UTEP
Western KY
Middle TN
LA Tech

There are also 4 independents that might be in play for C-USA
Liberty - supposedly already turned them down
NMSU
UConn
UMass

Beyond that, there are a bunch of FCS schools like Sam Houston State, Missouri State, Tarleton, Kennesaw State, Montana, NDSU, etc. that might consider making the jump if they had a C-USA membership in hand.

It seems like if the MAC took a couple schools on the current C-USA/FBS Independent list, MWC took 1-2, Sun Belt or AAC took 1 more, then C-USA would effectively be killed.

Seems like there would be a number of strategic benefits.

1. It would prevent 5 or 6 more FCS move-ups.  Fewer schools to split the G-5 FBS scraps with.

2. More FCS move-ups forming a complete joke of a conference in C-USA seems like it would give more reason for the P-5 to completely break away, leaving G-5 nothing. 

3. It might open the door to all 4 G-4 conferences getting auto-bids into a 16 team FBS playoff.

4. Since the number of G-5 conferences is down to 4, that is less supply for networks to bid on.  Less supply with a similar amount of demand should mean the price for TV rights should go up.

 

Montana isn't moving up now due to finances and even if we could we wouldn't go to CUSA. No way in hell to justify playing games in Florida, Tennessee and Kentucky.

Best bet for the Montana Schools and Dakota States is wait a few years (gives time to fix financial issues) and either join the WAC when they go FBS or the MWC if they get raided badly enough.

If and when the WAC goes FBS you could have a good North/South Conference in the central and Mt time zones.

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I get the coup de grace approach to CDOA, but it seems like doing that is cutting off your nose to spite your face. No one wants to add teams unless the value is tangible. It doesn’t appear that media carriers see the value in such additions so it seems doubtful such a scenario plays out… 

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17 minutes ago, ViAggie said:

Fewer conferences the fewer and less diverse bowl game tie ins.  That is unless you want to be playing a bowl game with your conference mates.

As pathetic as that may be, I agree completely. Playing in even lousy bowl games annually for more than a decade (2020 excepted) has really helped SDSU's program as the additional practice has given the coaching staff a jump start on evaluating kids down the depth chart to get a jump start on spring practice. That's even more valuable now with advent of the transfer portal.

Of course, those whose team can't manage to qualify for even lousy bowls (UNLV), wouldn't know what I'm talking about.

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Yes, it would be a mistake for the other G5 leagues to fail to eliminate C-USA. With the 12-team playoff likely going forward with the top six conference champs, it makes sense to eliminate a competitor. Your odds are always going to be higher finishing in the top 6 of 9 as opposed to top 6 of 10. 

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MWC hasn't really done anything to destroy CUSA though. Now, a lot of CUSA issues have actually been caused by themselves you could say decisions they made 5 or 6 years ago have come back to bite them on the butt. Right now keep the damage as small as possible invite some football only schools into the conference like NMSU, UConn and UMass so there are three right there and if the other 5 stay boom you have your conference there for football. But they need to look at other sports a well we know UMass and UConn won't move all their sports there, so that will be something else they need to work out

 

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37 minutes ago, shizzle787 said:

Yes, it would be a mistake for the other G5 leagues to fail to eliminate C-USA. With the 12-team playoff likely going forward with the top six conference champs, it makes sense to eliminate a competitor. Your odds are always going to be higher finishing in the top 6 of 9 as opposed to top 6 of 10. 

Yeah until the P5 says "5 auto bids because there's only 9 P5 conferences"....

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As an outside observer it makes more sense to take out the competition. C-USA teams make what? 500k-1M a year on their current tv deal. I'm sure the other conferences could match that  and make any new additions wait it out until the next round of tv deals. The proposed 12 team playoff will include the 6 highest rated conference champs which means all P5 conference champs and 1 G5 champ. Being the best 6 out of 9 seems a lot easier to do than the best 6 out of 10. I think by letting C-USA survive to add a bunch of FCS teams just means more unnecessary competition in the long run. Who would have thought a team like Coastal Carolina would make so much noise this quickly. Even App State and Louisiana are doing pretty well. 

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1 hour ago, shizzle787 said:

Yes, it would be a mistake for the other G5 leagues to fail to eliminate C-USA. With the 12-team playoff likely going forward with the top six conference champs, it makes sense to eliminate a competitor. Your odds are always going to be higher finishing in the top 6 of 9 as opposed to top 6 of 10. 

Get real. Nobody from this woebegone conference except Boise when Petersen was still around could make it to the NY6 bowl. What possible reason is there to think any of us can get into the (make that "an") expanded CFP?

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3 minutes ago, 818SUDSFan said:

Get real. Nobody from this woebegone conference except Boise when Petersen was still around could make it to the NY6 bowl. What possible reason is there to think any of us can get into the (make that "an") expanded CFP?

The MW is now the #6 league so your champ so in theory get in more years than not. 

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42 minutes ago, 818SUDSFan said:

Get real. Nobody from this woebegone conference except Boise when Petersen was still around could make it to the NY6 bowl. What possible reason is there to think any of us can get into the (make that "an") expanded CFP?

The current 12 team proposal is for the 6 highest ranked conference champions and 6 at-large bids. It means the 5 P5 champs and 1 G5 champ. There is a breakdown of what this would have looked like going back to 2014. Most recently in 2020 both Cincinnati and Coastal Carolina would have been in that group of highest rated champs. Not saying this is what will come to fruition in the end but it's what's most floated around out there. 

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1 hour ago, Trojan209 said:

As an outside observer it makes more sense to take out the competition. C-USA teams make what? 500k-1M a year on their current tv deal. I'm sure the other conferences could match that  and make any new additions wait it out until the next round of tv deals. The proposed 12 team playoff will include the 6 highest rated conference champs which means all P5 conference champs and 1 G5 champ. Being the best 6 out of 9 seems a lot easier to do than the best 6 out of 10. I think by letting C-USA survive to add a bunch of FCS teams just means more unnecessary competition in the long run. Who would have thought a team like Coastal Carolina would make so much noise this quickly. Even App State and Louisiana are doing pretty well. 

Not necessarily. It could be 4 P5 and 2 G5 champs.  The Pac-12 commish opposed the expansion because the P5 weren’t guaranteed a spot. 

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Sun Belt could end them if they wanted too but they are getting payback for the Schools that left the SBC before (FIU/WKU/MTSU/LaTech) by blackballing them. I can see the MAC calling WKU and MTSU doe 

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