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3 hours ago, ineptimusprime said:

I am sure interested to see how grouping Utah St with UNLV and New Mexico ages. I suspect not well.

USU has scored half of ALL points scored on Air Force this year. We played a ranked BYU to within a TD in the fourth quarter. We outgained BSU and lost a really weird game that was much closer than the score would indicate. We beat a P5 school.

I could be wrong, but I think we’re going to fare okay against the back half our schedule. May have something left to say in the conference title race (may not). Again, could be wrong. But I haven’t seen anything warranting putting us in the bottom 4 or 5 in the MW to this point.

So what is it that should qualify Utah St as a contender? Scoring half the points that AF has given up this year or scoring the .000006% points that Boise St has given up this year? I’m confused.

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22 minutes ago, Warbow said:

You don’t give your defense enough credit. It’s your offense that sucks. 

Meh. The secondary has giving up too many long balls. The corners get beat too easily and, at times, appear to forget their assignments.

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@Warbow I think you're right about SJSU being neither. Coach Brennan had the Spartans in a trance last season. But the bubble burst and they've crashed. I think we'll get a bowl bid, but there's no way we'll go back to the MW Championship game. 

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40 minutes ago, Warbow said:

So what is it that should qualify Utah St as a contender? Scoring half the points that AF has given up this year or scoring the .000006% points that Boise St has given up this year? I’m confused.

Did you watch the BSU v USU game? It was a game in which USU moved the ball at will between the 20s, and then turned it over, turned it over on downs, missed two field goals, etc. tip of the cap to Boise.

You should know the impact of turnovers. That’s how you beat Fresno, a team that is clearly Hawaii’s superior had the turnover margin been anything close. 

I don’t think USU is anything special, but I suspect we will be favored in every game we play from here on out. We will probably lose one or two, but I’ll take it. I do think we beat the Bows by 14+. The Pac-12 school we beat just beat the Pac-12 school that pasted the bows.

Guess we’ll see!

 

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10 hours ago, Spaztecs said:

Agreed except:

Aztecs - Pretenders. 2019 proved, no qb, no title. That Defense and the offensive talent was there. That QB and this years stable are Pretenders.

CSU - Pretender a win over a back to the mean Sparty does not a contender make.

Hawa'ii - Pretender. One upset win on the Rock. Does it overcome the loss to a middlin' Sparty squad at home ?

"Aztecs - Pretenders. 2019 proved, no qb, no title. That Defense and the offensive talent was there. That QB and this years stable are Pretenders. "

 

Yes there you have it, I think the Aztecs  4-3 down the road

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15 hours ago, Agzrule said:

Utah state is a pretender but CSU is a contender? You do realize how bad vandy is right? Makes a lot of sense, especially since the Aggies have already beaten the Academy?????  USU has now most likely played the toughest games on their schedule and now have had a bye week to rest up and get some of their injured players back. At this point it’s not unreasonable to think that the Aggies run the table or finish 6-2 in conference, but maybe that’s not good enough to be a contender??


The same Aggies that stood-up CSU last-yr?

 

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14 hours ago, DoubleBlueGold said:

FIFY re: Colo St. They only managed two TDs versus our lousy team. More than half of their points from field goals. Hell, our lousy team stopped them in the red zone each time.


You want a Gold Star?

S-C-O-R-E-B-O-A-R-D

 

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14 hours ago, StanfordAggie said:

Yeah I'm scratching my head on how Air Force is a "contender" but USU is "bad" when we gave Air Force their only L (and in their own house, no less). USU is "bad" because of a "bad record" of 3-2 with losses to BYU and Boise State, but CSU is a "contender" with a 2-3 record and losses to an FCS school and an absolutely horrible Vanderbilt team? I think your methodology could use some work.


Vandy may be a “horrible…team,” however at least they show-up for thier games.

 

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40 minutes ago, GoState99755 said:


You want a Gold Star?

S-C-O-R-E-B-O-A-R-D

 

I literally called our team lousy. Bragging about scoring six fields and only two TDs against a lousy team is not the burn you think it is.

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19 hours ago, Warbow said:

Wyoming  --- Pretender. Contenter Pretender

Back to being a pretender. Loss to the only decent FBS team (Air Force) that they have played. 2 MAC team wins & a UConn win doesn't mean squat. Barely beat Montana St. whoppee X2. Could very well be 1-4 against with the worst SOS in NCAA history. Could very well move back to Contender status, up and coming bad weather is on their side. 

Nevada --- Pretender   Contender

It's funny that New Mexico St. is the only true gage to determine this. Scored the most points against New Mexico St. then San Diego St, San Jose St, New Mexico and Hawaii (55) but also gave up the 2nd most points to them (28). Some say they used their waterboys, equipment manager and cheer squad on defense in the 4th QRT, who knows? They got giant(s) killer Hawaii next at home. Does 54-3 loss the last time Hawaii visited Reno spell a revenge game? Hawaii takes a 2 game winning steak against Strong who may have to change his name to Weak after this game.  

San Diego St --- Contender

Still a hard one to judge. Their opponents have a 1-7  1-8  3-13 now combined record, yikes. Hawaii almost doubled your score output against New Mexico St playing at their place, ummm. Nevada almost tripled your score against them. It's the 1 win against a Pac-12 annual Pretender in Utah at home that still keeps them in this category. I'll still give them the benefit of the doubt so far, the defense looks legit, the offense well ummm, could use some work.

Fresno St. --- Contender

(No change) 8 points away from being a top 10 team, they're are still legit. 9 points away from being a pretender. Would easily win the Pac-12 South. Oh wait that's San Diego St. right, na, it's Fresno St.  Now they got their annual shit the bed game out of the way, watch out. Could run the table. Their QB is the real deal, just not against Hawaii. Still a contender

Boise St. --- Contender

Beat down the #10 team in the country. Will the real Boise St team stand up and be seen?  Expect them to run the table until the MWC championship. What can I say, it's Boise St. They're always a contender. Air Force next on the schedule. 

Air Force --- Pretender Contender

Loss to the only team with a pulse (Utah St.).  Beat Wyoming, that's probably not saying much, we'll see. Boise St up next. Should be a good game.  

Hawaii --- Contender

Will Hawaii find their offense they had that scored 54 points in Reno 2 years ago? Seems they found their defense. Does Hawaii have Strong's number like they have Haener's? 4-0 against these top MWC QB's.  Once again we're see. A Hawaii loss will eliminate them from MWC tilte contention, Big game for them.

Colorado St --- Contender

14 points away from being 4-0 against FBS opponents that includes the #3 team in the nation. This is a hard one to judge.  Being in 1st place in the Mountain right now makes them a contender. Plus the fact that. Wyoming sucks again automatically makes them a contender. 

 

New Mexico, UNLV, San Jose St, Utah St..  --- Neither

Their bad records indicate what they truly are----bad, horrible, pathetic, lousy, bottom dweller, pick one? It's hard to pretend that you're bad and bad doesn't content to be a contender.

 

 

That’s a terrible analysis from top to bottom. 
 

FYI, In the Nevada NMSU game is was 52-7 when Strong and the 1st team came out late in the 3rd IIRC, and would’ve scored into the 70’s if left in the entire game. We played the rest of the game with our back ups with their 1st team on both sides. The Nevada offense is unstoppable when it gets going. The problem is sometimes it takes some time to get going before it explodes. 

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11 hours ago, Warbow said:

So what is it that should qualify Utah St as a contender? Scoring half the points that AF has given up this year or scoring the .000006% points that Boise St has given up this year? I’m confused.

I’m confused how Hawaii is a contender in your mind???? Please explain

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22 hours ago, Warbow said:

 

Nevada --- Pretender   Contender

It's funny that New Mexico St. is the only true gage to determine this. Scored the most points against New Mexico St. then San Diego St, San Jose St, New Mexico and Hawaii (55) but also gave up the 2nd most points to them (28). Some say they used their waterboys, equipment manager and cheer squad on defense in the 4th QRT, who knows? They got giant(s) killer Hawaii next at home. Does 54-3 loss the last time Hawaii visited Reno spell a revenge game? Hawaii takes a 2 game winning steak against Strong who may have to change his name to Weak after this game.  

 

 

 

Well done as usual.  The only issue I have with your comment is the points given up.  We did give up 28 points but 21 of those points were given up by the 3rd string defense who played the bulk of the 4th quarter and the game had long since been decided (one touchdown was given up in the final seconds of the game).  It was 52-7 at the end of the 3rd quarter.   Looking at Hawaii the game was still "competitive" in the 4th quarter.   SDSU was down 10-0 at the half before putting the game away in the 4th and SJSU was lololololol for the game being competitive the entire game..  

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1 hour ago, mugtang said:

Well done as usual.  The only issue I have with your comment is the points given up.  We did give up 28 points but 21 of those points were given up by the 3rd string defense who played the bulk of the 4th quarter and the game had long since been decided (one touchdown was given up in the final seconds of the game).  It was 52-7 at the end of the 3rd quarter.   Looking at Hawaii the game was still "competitive" in the 4th quarter.   SDSU was down 10-0 at the half before putting the game away in the 4th and SJSU was lololololol for the game being competitive the entire game..  

Norvell said he was able to get everybody into the game, all across the board.  Their last TD was with .06 sec on the clock.

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1 minute ago, wolfan said:

Norvell said he was able to get everybody into the game, all across the board.  Their last TD was with .06 sec on the clock.

I wonder how much money was made or lost on the last .06 seconds. I was tempted to bet the under but I never bet on the Pack, too unpredictable. But at 28 to 31 points, probably had some significant action.

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5 hours ago, mugtang said:

Well done as usual.  The only issue I have with your comment is the points given up.  We did give up 28 points but 21 of those points were given up by the 3rd string defense who played the bulk of the 4th quarter and the game had long since been decided (one touchdown was given up in the final seconds of the game).  It was 52-7 at the end of the 3rd quarter.   Looking at Hawaii the game was still "competitive" in the 4th quarter.   SDSU was down 10-0 at the half before putting the game away in the 4th and SJSU was lololololol for the game being competitive the entire game..  

I did say New Mexico St played against your Waterboys, Equipment Managers and Cheer Squad in the 4th Quarter. But then, New Mexico St.  played their 3rd and 4th string players also in the 4th. 

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18 hours ago, ineptimusprime said:

Did you watch the BSU v USU game? It was a game in which USU moved the ball at will between the 20s, and then turned it over, turned it over on downs, missed two field goals, etc. tip of the cap to Boise.

You should know the impact of turnovers. That’s how you beat Fresno, a team that is clearly Hawaii’s superior had the turnover margin been anything close. 

I don’t think USU is anything special, but I suspect we will be favored in every game we play from here on out. We will probably lose one or two, but I’ll take it. I do think we beat the Bows by 14+. The Pac-12 school we beat just beat the Pac-12 school that pasted the bows.

Guess we’ll see!

 

You see there’s a difference between “turnovers” and “take always” Hawaii had 6 “take aways”. Utah St had turnovers against BYU.

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2 hours ago, Warbow said:

I did say New Mexico St played against your Waterboys, Equipment Managers and Cheer Squad in the 4th Quarter. But then, New Mexico St.  played their 3rd and 4th string players also in the 4th. 

The announcers were surprised NMS kept playing their 1st string in the 4th.

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Pretenders;

 

Fresno: The rubber hits the road for them starting this week.

@ Wyoming, Nevada, SUDS, @Boy-z.

If they make it through that schedule unscathed, they have earned the Division title.

CSU - If Fresnos schedule is Murderers Row, the Rams are facing the Bataan Death March.

@USU, Boise, @Wyoming, AFA, @HAWAII, Nevada

 

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On 10/11/2021 at 1:28 AM, Warbow said:

Like I said, they are in soul possession of 1st in the mountain division. Unbeaten in conference play is all that matters.

I take less of an issue with calling CSU a "contender" than I do with you putting USU in the same tier as UNLV and New Mexico. If conference play is all that matters, why is AFA a "contender" and USU is "bad" if we beat them in their own house? That means we own the tie breaker, so it would take a total USU collapse for AFA to advance to the title game over USU. Sure, if USU is a contender, it is because of a very favorable schedule (we avoid the best three teams in the West and play most of our toughest remaining games at home). But I think there is problem with your methodology if you think that CSU and AFA are "contenders" but USU is as bad as UNLV and New Mexico.

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