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9 minutes ago, NVGiant said:

You are defining populism too narrowly. The Nazis were very much a populist movement. So were the Leninists. They were opposites, though neither adhered to Democratic laws or institutions. What they had in common is that they were movements of "the people" juxtaposed against the elite. That's populism, and it comes in many forms across the political spectrum.

Yeah, the difference in America now is that leftists define the "elite" by economic criteria, and the right wing by cultural criteria. 

To a leftist, anyone who has a certain amount of wealth is an elite. To a right winger, anyone who drinks kombucha in an elitist. I'll let you decide which one makes more sense.

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17 minutes ago, HR_Poke said:

The nazis didn't advocate against a ruling elite though, they were the ruling conservative elite that advocated a strong ruler to compensate for a weak Weimar republic.

The Nazis were definitely not the ruling elite for the most part.

The ruling elite were in the Centre Party if Catholic and DVNP if Protestant. They eventually coalesced around Hitler as a means to assert their imperialist reactionary fantasies and stave off the commies. Look at someone like Hugenberg or Elard von Oldenburg who thought they could manipulate Hitler into bringing back the Kaiser lmao

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29 minutes ago, happycamper said:

Turenne was more who I was thinking of. 

Turenne had fun flying around little prop planes in the air. Petain won the war.

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1 minute ago, youngredbullfan said:

Turenne had fun flying around little prop planes in the air. Petain won the war.

Turenne won a more important war

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Just now, youngredbullfan said:

My brain did not compute the random injection of 17th century shit here

 

 

 

If I want bad vaccine takes I go on facebook

If I want french army victories, I look from the 17th to the early 19th centuries

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4 hours ago, Bob said:

Give me Trump over the fascist, immoral, lying, spend-us-into-oblivion, globalist, anti-capitalist Biden shit show ANY day

I always enjoy how you talk with your arse!  How did u survive the military with all your racist rants?  Oh yeah ur old and were in a long time ago

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5 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

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Joffre liked to eat, drink, and sleep. That doesn’t take a military genius but he was fun. In a way. I guess.

Joffre absolutely was dour. The main difference from other great European military minds was that he was a round rich boy who liked his treats.

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2 minutes ago, Nevada6077 said:

I always enjoy how you talk with your arse!  How did u survive the military with all your racist rants?  Oh yeah ur old and were in a long time ago

I don't think Bob was in the military.... and he's actually in his early 30s if I'm remembering right. 

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4 minutes ago, happycamper said:

If I want bad vaccine takes I go on facebook

If I want french army victories, I look from the 17th to the early 19th centuries

Napoleon was on his grind and success mindset shit. Only stopped by his haters smh.

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Just now, youngredbullfan said:

Napoleon was on his grind and success mindset shit. Only stopped by his haters smh.

If I you were to give me:

a ship that would sail against the winds and currents by lighting a bonfire under the deck

to battle the premier navy in the world and to fight a war with a massive logistical tail, I would decline. Not having those advantages would just make me work harder. I guess I am built different

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44 minutes ago, HR_Poke said:

He wasn't a populist. He advocated the complete destruction of all democratic institutions and initiated a coup.  Populism != fascism just because they have similar archetypes.

You keep repeating that point though most the board disagrees with you.  
 

the general board position

Populism can become authoritarian regimes from the left or the right and many authoritarian regimes start as populist regimes.  
 

you believe differently which is fine.  I merely ask you to cite a single concrete source of some credibility that supports you contention.   

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6 hours ago, HR_Poke said:

Oh Yeah Reaction GIF by Focus Features

She called out Harris on her BS criminal record and flip flopping as well as Biden's anti crime bill and how wrong they were on Afghanistan.  I don't agree with many of her policies, but someone who is pragmatic you can work with....

I’d love to see Tulsi on the debate stage again so someone can call her on HER BS how she flip flopped from being “anti war” to being much more hawkish. Was she just full of shit when she was running for President? 

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21 minutes ago, youngredbullfan said:

The Nazis were definitely not the ruling elite for the most part.

The ruling elite were in the Centre Party if Catholic and DVNP if Protestant. They eventually coalesced around Hitler as a means to assert their imperialist reactionary fantasies and stave off the commies. Look at someone like Hugenberg or Elard von Oldenburg who thought they could manipulate Hitler into bringing back the Kaiser lmao

Most of the ruling parties were absorbed into the nazi party along with what was the ruling aristocracy under the kaiser after hitlers destruction of the liberal elite though.  They were one in the same post 1938. 

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47 minutes ago, youngredbullfan said:

 

Fascist movements are definitely populist. Their populist sales pitch can just be boiled down to "hate the others". This is in contrast with the leftist populist pitch, which can be boiled down to, "share the wealth." 

Or hate the owners of the means of production.  Both are populist uprisings with a defined scapegoat.  

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1 minute ago, HR_Poke said:

Most of the ruling parties were absorbed into the nazi party along with what was the ruling aristocracy under the kaiser after hitlers destruction of the liberal elite though.  They were one in the same post 1938. 

Yeah, they were subsumed by Hitler and the Nazis. The populists won, and the elite jumped on after the fact. The Nazis weren't really elite-driven, they were populists who appealed to the middle class. 

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44 minutes ago, youngredbullfan said:

Like I said, he was unable to actually rule like a fascist due to opposition from institutions and Democrats.

But trust me, ideologically, Trumpism seeks to exterminate opposition, many times literally.

Trumpism also seeks to bend industry to what they perceive as the national interest (and Trump tried this with Boeing and other companies), like the corporatism of fascist Europe. Even now, Trumpism seeks to cripple and control certain corporations like Facebook and Twitter that they view as working against the nation. 

 

Exactly.  Why do you thing he is going so hard after Liz Cheney et al

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