Nevada Convert Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Akkula said: You have a very narrow definition of what a "musician" is. In your definition unless you play the guitar you are not a musician. No lead singers, pop singers, etc., would be a musician either. The 90s was the birthplace of a lot of electronic music. You want to know why Gene Simmons says rock is dead? Because few have the need or the want to have to play a guitar or keyboard any longer to make music. Tupac made a lot of socially conscious music and a lot of punk and bands like "Rage Against the Machine" were making a lot of this type of music as well. Tupac also made violent, sexist, and party music but he was a very broad person. He wasn't just a pop creation. Dr. Dre basically created a whole electronic music scene and a lot of it was influenced by funk and disco of earlier generation. Dre could make some amazing beats and he contributed not only to Tupac but MANY others. You could listen to the FULL double album of "all eyes on me" and it was great...not poppy at all...but great...great! Doggy Style and the Chronic were like this too! As usual, you sound like an old man screaming, "Get off my lawn." I will also put on my "old man" hat for a bit. In the 1980s rock became too decadent...there was a lot of trash hair metal for every decent Motley Crue and Poison. Too much trash. I kinda feel like that is the state of hip hop today. Back in the 90s it wasn't all about "Bling" and autotune. Some of the shit today sounds tired and if very "safe." 1990s hip hop was nothing if not edgy. I hope hip hop doesn't go the same direction to kill itself like rock did in the 80s. Perhaps rock died because nobody wants to be a traditional musician any longer, who knows! Let me clarify something ……Lenin is dead. Rock still out draws any other type of music around the world, and it’s not even close. Go start your new commie country and leave music analysis to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, MetropolitanCowboy said: Dudes probably partying it up on Cuba One of my favorite conspiracy theories...and, yeah. Would not be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu_alum9 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Nevada Convert said: Rock still out draws any other type of music around the world, and it’s not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 minute ago, bsu_alum9 said: It’s an easily proven fact, pippy. In fact, forget rock. Hard rock out draws any other music in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu_alum9 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, Nevada Convert said: It’s an easily proven fact, pippy. In fact, forget rock. Hard rock out draws any other music in the world. false. Unless U2 is hard rock? Taylor Swift is also in that $6.5 million gross per show range, so if she wanted to do more than 53 shows a year she would dominate the Stones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_concert_tours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, bsu_alum9 said: false. Unless U2 is hard rock? What does “All Time” have to do with now? Try the last 5-6 years since we’ve had the pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu_alum9 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Nevada Convert said: What does “All Time” have to do with now? Try the last 3-4 years since we’ve had the pandemic. 2020 - Elton John $87M 2019 - Pink $215M 2018 - Ed Sheeran $432M 2017 - U2 $316M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVGiant Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, MetropolitanCowboy said: Dudes probably partying it up on Cuba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 minute ago, bsu_alum9 said: 2020 - Elton John $87M 2019 - Pink $215M 2018 - Ed Sheeran $432M 2017 - U2 $316M You need to go by attendance and be honest. Fans are how popularity is measured. AC/DC, Iron Maiden, etc. outdraw most. Looks like I’ll have to look it up for you in a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu_alum9 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Nevada Convert said: You need to go by attendance and be honest. Fans are how popularity is measured. AC/DC, Iron Maiden, etc. outdraw most. Looks like I’ll have to look it up for you in a bit. You want per show or per tour? Or largest attendance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nevada Convert said: What does “All Time” have to do with now? Try the last 3-4 years since we’ve had the pandemic. 4 minutes ago, Nevada Convert said: You need to go by attendance and be honest. Fans are how popularity is measured. AC/DC, Iron Maiden, etc. outdraw most. Looks like I’ll have to look it up for you in a bit. Dude views and listens are how popularity is measured, not if some old boomers with disposable cash want to go watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu_alum9 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, Nevada Convert said: You need to go by attendance and be honest. Fans are how popularity is measured. AC/DC, Iron Maiden, etc. outdraw most. Looks like I’ll have to look it up for you in a bit. In college football terms, Iron Maiden has worse attendance per show than the Nevada Wolf Pack when touring. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Souls_World_Tour https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_the_Beast_World_Tour AC/DC no doubt is up there, 2.3M in attendance over 58 shows (average about the same as a top contender MWC team single game attendance in a good year (Boise/SUDS/Fresno) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Filter_Tour U2, Ed Sheeran, and Taylor Swift on the other hand are more like Alabama or Michigan. 100k+ wherever there is capacity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_%2B_Experience_Tour https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/÷_Tour https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Swift's_Reputation_Stadium_Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
702Canary Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 20 hours ago, bsu_alum9 said: In college football terms, Iron Maiden has worse attendance per show than the Nevada Wolf Pack when touring. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Souls_World_Tour https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_the_Beast_World_Tour AC/DC no doubt is up there, 2.3M in attendance over 58 shows (average about the same as a top contender MWC team single game attendance in a good year (Boise/SUDS/Fresno) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Filter_Tour U2, Ed Sheeran, and Taylor Swift on the other hand are more like Alabama or Michigan. 100k+ wherever there is capacity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_%2B_Experience_Tour https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/÷_Tour https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Swift's_Reputation_Stadium_Tour It's like convert is just begging to be owned continually. lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...