roughrider Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Koji Vu said: LOL, only a 100% increase? Amateurs. SD is insane and catching up with the whale's vagina on property expense should never be the goal. It's absurd as it is here. I could but a decent place in PB for what I could get for my house built in '92 here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughrider Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 22 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Markets matter a whole lot less than they did in 2011. It's about brands now and ability to sell streaming subscriptions. And Boise has a brand far stronger than other candidate not named BYU. Not sure Big 12 cares about academics. Not being in a recruiting hot bed and a geographic outlier hurts. MWC minus Boise gets MAC money. If it were solely dependent on living in an over populated area then no thanks. There's a limit to what's worth it for me. But Boise State's brand as defined by eyeballs on TV or merchandise sales back in the Nike days were more than enough. Question is what % of that is still there in the post Pete era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, roughrider said: If it were solely dependent on living in an over populated area then no thanks. There's a limit to what's worth it for me. But Boise State's brand as defined by eyeballs on TV or merchandise sales back in the Nike days were more than enough. Question is what % of that is still there in the post Pete era. Not as much but a hell of a lot more than CSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koji Vu Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, justsurvive said: I hope you're right, because this hyper-competitive society that we have been living in for decades has brought out the worst in all of us. I must admit that I didn't realize that Spanos was that bad. I was joking. Real estate prices are increasing like crazy everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughrider Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Not as much but a hell of a lot more than CSU. That's not even up for debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoState99755 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 9 hours ago, justsurvive said: Boise, as well as Idaho for that matter, has been growing for several years now, and it continues to grow. I bought my Boise house in June of 2007 at $163,000 and it is now worth $350,000 according to Zillow. As for the translation to success with a P5 schedule, well, give Boise a spot in a P5 conference and then we will find out. WAIT! WHAT? You mean Boise might move from the 102nd DMA to 101st largest TV Mkt? Give us a holler when y’all start sniffing the Top-25 DMAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justsurvive Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, GoState99755 said: WAIT! WHAT? You mean Boise might move from the 102nd DMA to 101st largest TV Mkt? Give us a holler when y’all start sniffing the Top-25 DMAs. Uh, I could care less about being "102" in market size. Boise is still growing, so much so that both The New York Times and Washington Post have reported on it in recent weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoState99755 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, justsurvive said: Uh, I could care less about being "102" in market size. Boise is still growing, so much so that both The New York Times and Washington Post have reported on it in recent weeks. Haha...You might not care that Boise doesn't deliver a major media mrkt, however the P-5 conferences do. A quarter & those newspaper articles will get you a cup o' coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justsurvive Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, GoState99755 said: Haha...You might not care that Boise doesn't deliver a major media mrkt, however the P-5 conferences do. A quarter & those newspaper articles will get you a cup o' coffee. Well, at least I got your attention, otherwise, you wouldn't have commented on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 25 minutes ago, GoState99755 said: WAIT! WHAT? You mean Boise might move from the 102nd DMA to 101st largest TV Mkt? Give us a holler when y’all start sniffing the Top-25 DMAs. Markets are so 2011. What matters now is brands and ability to sell subscriptions. Markets are a thing of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headbutt Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 3 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Markets matter a whole lot less than they did in 2011. It's about brands now and ability to sell streaming subscriptions. And Boise has a brand far stronger than other candidate not named BYU. Not sure Big 12 cares about academics. Not being in a recruiting hot bed and a geographic outlier hurts. MWC minus Boise gets MAC money. Agreed on markets, not as much as 2011, but markets still do matter. Brands certainly help. "Not sure Big 12 cares about academics"? Keep telling yourself that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Headbutt said: Agreed on markets, not as much as 2011, but markets still do matter. Brands certainly help. "Not sure Big 12 cares about academics"? Keep telling yourself that. Staples said it best, Markets are not driving realignment any more. That's so 2011 thinking. Boise brings a brand and would sell more streaming subscriptions. Sorry CSU, being kind of close to Denver won't move the needle anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headbutt Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Staples said it best, Markets are not driving realignment any more. That's so 2011 thinking. Boise brings a brand and would sell more streaming subscriptions. Sorry CSU, being kind of close to Denver won't move the needle anymore. Naturally you're emphasizing what you've got and totally dissing what you don't. In reality, markets still matter. I'm trying to look at this from as much of an unbiased opinion as I can, and I haven't once said that CSU is a lock (or even a frontrunner) for B12 expansion. Just listing attributes. The school that is really f'd in all this IMO, is SDSU. Average in all the positives and negatives that each school brings and I think they are the most desirable university/program for expansion. Unfortunately, I don't see the B12 going that far west, and politics will keep them out of the P12 more than likely. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think location on the one hand and politics on the other are their worst enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Headbutt said: Naturally you're emphasizing what you've got and totally dissing what you don't. In reality, markets still matter. I'm trying to look at this from as much of an unbiased opinion as I can, and I haven't once said that CSU is a lock (or even a frontrunner) for B12 expansion. Just listing attributes. The school that is really f'd in all this IMO, is SDSU. Average in all the positives and negatives that each school brings and I think they are the most desirable university/program for expansion. Unfortunately, I don't see the B12 going that far west, and politics will keep them out of the P12 more than likely. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think location on the one hand and politics on the other are their worst enemies. Markets matter to the extent that generally teams in large markets have bigger fan bases and draw more viewers. It's brands and fan base size that matters now. One school in the MWC is #1 in each, by a large margin. It's not CSU or SDSU. What hurts Boise is geography and not offering a recruiting ground. And to a smaller extent academics and hoops. So Boise won't be the pick, but we would be the pick before any other school here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headbutt Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 minute ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Markets matter to the extent that generally teams in large markets have bigger fan bases and draw more viewers. It's brands and fan base size that matters now. One school in the MWC is #1 in each, by a large margin. It's not CSU or SDSU. What hurts Boise is geography and not offering a recruiting ground. And to a smaller extent academics and hoops. So Boise won't be the pick, but we would be the pick before any other school here. For the record, you're OK on the recruiting ground thingy. We have airplanes now and you don't need to be in a recruiting hot bed to be an attractive property. You underrate academics. These decisions are made by college presidents, not AD's. Presidents are looking for somebody to collaborate with academically at least as much as compete against athletically. The B12 isn't looking for AAU by any means, but they are looking at academics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Headbutt said: For the record, you're OK on the recruiting ground thingy. We have airplanes now and you don't need to be in a recruiting hot bed to be an attractive property. You underrate academics. These decisions are made by college presidents, not AD's. Presidents are looking for somebody to collaborate with academically at least as much as compete against athletically. The B12 isn't looking for AAU by any means, but they are looking at academics. You are greatly overstating how much they care. Priority #1 is what their media partners want them to do. Priority #2 is trying to remain autonomous. Academics somewhere around priority #629 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headbutt Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 minute ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: You are greatly overstating how much they care. Priority #1 is what their media partners want them to do. Priority #2 is trying to remain autonomous. Academics somewhere around priority #629 Got it. Thanks. You go with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Just now, Headbutt said: Got it. Thanks. You go with that. Trust me on this. CSU modest academic profile won't make anybody blink. Neither will Boise's. It's brands and fans. Boise has both. CSU has neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Trust me on this @Headbutt. A school that can not even get 10k of their own fans to show up (3k were Boise) against a top 20 team won't even be in the discussion this go around. Nobody cares you are kind of close to a market that does not care about you, anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickdraw Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 That is what the door to door TV Guide salesmen we’re saying back in 1965. It’s all about subscriptions. You remember TV Guide, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...