thelawlorfaithful Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, bsu_alum9 said: Yeah just how it felt to me. I'm not really into the fantasy style scifi as much. Dudes traveling the galaxy but fighting with knives just seems dumb to me. Project Hail Mary (same author as The Martian) is going to make a hell of a movie (in development starring Ryan Gosling). I bet a lot of the space nerds on this board would like those books. Apparently the sequel books get real weird and take interesting turns to complicate the hero family in book 1. The idea of it sounds cool, but the way the first one is written left me cold. I liked the Martian movie more than the book, so I’ll look for that one. We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu_alum9 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said: I liked the Martian movie more than the book, so I’ll look for that one. Agreed. I read the book after watching the movie and felt it ruined the book. Another interesting modern sci fi series is We are Legion (We are Bob). It's kind of cheesy with pop culture references, but I liked the first book as it was conceptually interesting. Haven't started on the next ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 16 hours ago, Bob said: You are the only person who I have heard say they liked it I watched the first one like 2 weeks ago with my girls so I had properly calibrated my expectations Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 23 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: I thought the first one was incredibly stupid when I was a kid so have no intention of watching this one. They pissed off all the closeted furry folk. Now look at em. Never +++++ the furries. don't lie halfman you would love to +++++ you some furries Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
son of a gun Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 18 hours ago, Bob said: Frozen 2 was unapologetic propaganda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 On 7/22/2021 at 8:31 PM, Bob said: Frozen 2 was unapologetic propaganda for what? didn't see either 1 or 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted July 24, 2021 Author Share Posted July 24, 2021 23 minutes ago, renoskier said: for what? didn't see either 1 or 2 Saw both. First with my niece second with daughter of a girl I was seeing. First was a good movie. Second was weird. Story line did not make sense. Seemed like a money grab more than anything. Almost like it was a little influenced by writers trying to be woke yet were actually problematic and racist. Tried to play on complex topics for parents while appealing to 5 year old girls and their older sisters who saw the first one. Exploitation of resources by an colonial power, cautioning against blind faith in your countries founders. The root of all your woes and troubles stems from white colonizers exploiting resources, changing the climate, murdering your leaders and keeping secrets. Meanwhile they inadvertently included racist tropes and the "art" itself was problematic in the roots of the story more than its telling. It played on the whole "noble savage" and Polygenism. The two mixed race princesses were white as white as white can be. Like Irish and Norwegian. Oh and did I mention the entire story made no sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawlorfaithful Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 22 hours ago, renoskier said: for what? didn't see either 1 or 2 1 was undeniably a good children’s movie. 2 was undeniably a piece of crap. Halfman covered it pretty well. We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawlorfaithful Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 22 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Saw both. First with my niece second with daughter of a girl I was seeing. First was a good movie. Second was weird. Story line did not make sense. Seemed like a money grab more than anything. Almost like it was a little influenced by writers trying to be woke yet were actually problematic and racist. Tried to play on complex topics for parents while appealing to 5 year old girls and their older sisters who saw the first one. Exploitation of resources by an colonial power, cautioning against blind faith in your countries founders. The root of all your woes and troubles stems from white colonizers exploiting resources, changing the climate, murdering your leaders and keeping secrets. Meanwhile they inadvertently included racist tropes and the "art" itself was problematic in the roots of the story more than its telling. It played on the whole "noble savage" and Polygenism. The two mixed race princesses were white as white as white can be. Like Irish and Norwegian. Oh and did I mention the entire story made no sense? And the solution was for the ruling princess to destroy and decimate everything her people had, leaving them destitute and destined to starve en masse, but it’s averted cuz magic. Actually that stupidity almost makes sense in the context of every other dumb thing they were going for. We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/23/2021 at 9:10 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said: Saw both. First with my niece second with daughter of a girl I was seeing. First was a good movie. Second was weird. Story line did not make sense. Seemed like a money grab more than anything. Almost like it was a little influenced by writers trying to be woke yet were actually problematic and racist. Tried to play on complex topics for parents while appealing to 5 year old girls and their older sisters who saw the first one. Exploitation of resources by an colonial power, cautioning against blind faith in your countries founders. The root of all your woes and troubles stems from white colonizers exploiting resources, changing the climate, murdering your leaders and keeping secrets. Meanwhile they inadvertently included racist tropes and the "art" itself was problematic in the roots of the story more than its telling. It played on the whole "noble savage" and Polygenism. The two mixed race princesses were white as white as white can be. Like Irish and Norwegian. Oh and did I mention the entire story made no sense? Wasn’t the other “race” just based on the Sami people? Sami people have a distinct look, but they are still white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 On 7/24/2021 at 10:00 PM, SalinasSpartan said: Wasn’t the other “race” just based on the Sami people? Sami people have a distinct look, but they are still white. Yes. And they consulted with Sami people to make a relevant and culturally appropriate framework. And the entire "the dam was a plot all along" story line was just a historical event repurposed. halfman showing his ass in terms of historical ignorance lol Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 On 7/24/2021 at 7:19 PM, thelawlorfaithful said: And the solution was for the ruling princess to destroy and decimate everything her people had, leaving them destitute and destined to starve en masse, but it’s averted cuz magic. Actually that stupidity almost makes sense in the context of every other dumb thing they were going for. they couldn't make fire lol your criticism kinda ignores that part Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted July 26, 2021 Author Share Posted July 26, 2021 2 hours ago, happycamper said: Yes. And they consulted with Sami people to make a relevant and culturally appropriate framework. And the entire "the dam was a plot all along" story line was just a historical event repurposed. halfman showing his ass in terms of historical ignorance lol The point is it did not fit into the universe that the first story established. It was just kind of forced in, the entire plot. An attempt to provide a meaningful parallel to colonialism through narrative in a children's princess movie turned into a parody, a caricature. I don't watch my Disney princess movies to get their political takes. Shut up and sing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 minute ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: The point is it did not fit into the universe that the first story established. It was just kind of forced in, the entire plot. An attempt to provide a meaningful parallel to colonialism through narrative in a children's princess movie turned into a parody, a caricature. I don't watch my Disney princess movies to get their political takes. Shut up and sing! What are you talking about? The first story happened in two days. We had enough time to learn: There are southern isles there is a trading country Arendelle is small but independent Not bad for 36 hours of story Trust me halfman, you are going to lose this discussion. You probably have less than 1% of the Frozen and Frozen 2 watch time that I have. Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted July 26, 2021 Author Share Posted July 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, happycamper said: What are you talking about? The first story happened in two days. We had enough time to learn: There are southern isles there is a trading country Arendelle is small but independent Not bad for 36 hours of story Trust me halfman, you are going to lose this discussion. You probably have less than 1% of the Frozen and Frozen 2 watch time that I have. Why was all this back story not in the first movie? Where is the big bad? The running proposal thing? Should you REALLY be marrying a woman who you can't communicate with for two minutes? We all know what Frozen 3 will look like. Anna gets fat and mean, Kristoff gets drunk and bitter, Elsa finally gets on Lithium and confuses the names of her nieces and nephews with her cats. The magic river is in danger due to climate change, all the statues of King Angnarr get torn down and Olaf was a woman the entire time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Why was all this back story not in the first movie? Because it takes place over 36 hours lol. The first movie has the immediate threat of dealing with magic at all and the weakness of a kingdom without a present, functioning leader. After that a ruled kingdom has matters of state to attend to. 16 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Where is the big bad? The running proposal thing? Should you REALLY be marrying a woman who you can't communicate with for two minutes? ...What? The big bad is the socioeconomic conditions created by people in the past that nonetheless need to be addressed. I suppose you could say that the magical spirits are the "big bad" but that would be like calling physics the "big bad" in Gravity. You don't kill a force of nature, you just learn how to deal with it. 16 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: We all know what Frozen 3 will look like. direct to video 16 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Anna gets fat and mean, Kristoff gets drunk and bitter, with how horny anna is? nah 16 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Elsa finally gets on Lithium and confuses the names of her nieces and nephews with her cats. Why would a semi-divine ghost get on lithium? 16 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: The magic river is in danger due to climate change, river isn't magic, bro 16 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: all the statues of King Angnarr get torn down and all 1? 16 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Olaf was a woman the entire time. gotta be kind of a maniac to insist on the gender of magic snow, halfman Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted July 26, 2021 Author Share Posted July 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, happycamper said: Because it takes place over 36 hours lol. The first movie has the immediate threat of dealing with magic at all and the weakness of a kingdom without a present, functioning leader. After that a ruled kingdom has matters of state to attend to. ...What? The big bad is the socioeconomic conditions created by people in the past that nonetheless need to be addressed. I suppose you could say that the magical spirits are the "big bad" but that would be like calling physics the "big bad" in Gravity. You don't kill a force of nature, you just learn how to deal with it. direct to video with how horny anna is? nah Why would a semi-divine ghost get on lithium? river isn't magic, bro all 1? gotta be kind of a maniac to insist on the gender of magic snow, halfman You keep saying it takes place over 36 hours and while the main plot does, a lot of time was spent on the back story leading up to it. In a movie tailored to 6 year old girls, the big bad being socioeconomic conditions from past colonialism is just dumb. Sure it can be those things, but throw in a witch or a possessed prince or something tangible. Anna is horny? River is totes magic https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Ahtohallan If you can not see that Elsa is mentally disturbed, not sure what to tell ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: You keep saying it takes place over 36 hours and while the main plot does, a lot of time was spent on the back story leading up to it. A tight hour 45 is perfect. you want every movie to the avengers or some shit? 12 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: In a movie tailored to 6 year old girls, the big bad being socioeconomic conditions from past colonialism is just dumb. Sure it can be those things, but throw in a witch or a possessed prince or something tangible. yeah makes sense 6 year olds are never the victims of colonialism 12 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Anna is horny? she was so horned up in the first movie she wanted to marry the first dude who ever talked to her and as soon as elsa and olaf fall asleep she coyly asks Kristoff "so.... what do you want to do?" 12 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: River is totes magic https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Ahtohallan That is a magic glacier. And it doesn't do anything other than be a macguffin related to the spirits. Once they are satisfied, its relevance ends. 12 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: If you can not see that Elsa is mentally disturbed, not sure what to tell ya. She's dead, homeskillet. She died in Ahtohallan and rose as the spirit beast/avatar/thing. It is debateable if she even has a mind at this point Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted July 26, 2021 Author Share Posted July 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, happycamper said: A tight hour 45 is perfect. you want every movie to the avengers or some shit? yeah makes sense 6 year olds are never the victims of colonialism she was so horned up in the first movie she wanted to marry the first dude who ever talked to her and as soon as elsa and olaf fall asleep she coyly asks Kristoff "so.... what do you want to do?" That is a magic glacier. And it doesn't do anything other than be a macguffin related to the spirits. Once they are satisfied, its relevance ends. She's dead, homeskillet. She died in Ahtohallan and rose as the spirit beast/avatar/thing. It is debateable if she even has a mind at this point The fact that fans have no clue if Elsa is alive or dead or what is proof the movie was a confusing mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: The fact that fans have no clue if Elsa is alive or dead or what is proof the movie was a confusing mess. No YOU had no clue that Elsa was dead. For the intended adult audience it's obvious at the ~27th viewing. I've known Elsa is dead for hundreds of hours of Frozen II. Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...