Conference Realignment thread

[Koji Vu]

13 minutes ago, tailingpermit said:

Notre Dame football will never join a conference, no need to share the wealth. 
 

Their OLY sports are in the ACC and B1G.  

Notre Dame is de facto in the ACC ( its football team plays something like half of its games vs ACC teams) and therefore that conference will effectively have 16 teams if/when WVU joins. 

[Koji Vu]

59 minutes ago, thespywhozaggedme said:

Why would the PAC or Big10 want any of those schools? 

I could see the Big10 go after Kansas and then snipe Colorado, but I can't figure out a decent scenario where the Pac 12 would want to snipe away any of the potentially remaining Big 12 schools (Iowa State, KSU, OSU, TT, Baylor, TCU).

I have a feeling the Pac 12 is perfectly happy at 12 teams. It would only expand if its market was threatened (such as the Big 12 going after SDSU / California or BYU/ Utah).

[SalinasSpartan]

Just read an article from a Baylor writer that was pure speculation, but it mentioned something I hadn’t thought of; 75% of the members could vote to dissolve the conference and render the GOR moot. So if OU, UT, KU, WVU, and four of the remaining schools were able to secure invites to other power conferences, they could just vote as a block and dissolve the conference so they could leave immediately. All the other power conference TV deals probably have clauses that allow for some renegotiation if the conference’s membership changes anyway. Plus for the Pac-12 their ownership of their network would actually be a benefit here, as I imagine the increased revenue from that would be instant. 

[HawaiiMongoose]

If this does prompt a move to 4x16 then all hell will break loose and it’s pretty much impossible to predict who will land where.

However I’m not sold on the Big 10, Pac 12 and ACC rushing to dismantle what’s left of the Big 12 after UT and OU are gone.  I just don’t see how it will benefit them on a per-member revenue basis.  Why expand your footprint if your per-school payout stays the same or shrinks?

I think this could play out very simply with UT and OU joining the SEC, the Big 12 backfilling with Cincinatti or Houston for all sports and BYU for football only, and the AAC standing pat with its remaining members.  Done.

[halfmanhalfbronco]

3 hours ago, RebelRobert said:

We will see.  If you look at how the world is going and how corporations are buying up the biggest prizes, I tend to think you are wrong.

A time existed when Texas and OU would never have gone to the SEC.  NEVER.  Now they are going.

Gobble Gobble.

The big prizes will go to those with the most money.  That aint the ACC and the PAC-12.

He is right.  Nobody is leaving the ACC due to GOR.  Notre Dame is contractually obligated to join the ACC until 2037 if they join any conference.  USC is a little more interesting.  

[kalua pig]

the new world order: 4x16=62. the p4 will become the new division 1.the entire ncaa basketball tournament will be comprised from these four conferences. everybody else is big sky.

[tailingpermit]

1 hour ago, thespywhozaggedme said:

I don’t think they can afford to be independent anymore. Now that all of the P5 conferences are going to 16 teams. Plus it’s in their contract that they have to join the ACC if they join a conference. The ACC is already at 14 teams so if they add Notre Dame, one of West Virginia or UCF would be next.

Ok, so it’s not all money…

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/ncaa-football/news/notre-dame-conference-independent-football/v59x02eh6yt21nc786brczykn

[SalinasSpartan]

8 minutes ago, HawaiiMongoose said:

If this does prompt a move to 4x16 then all hell will break loose and it’s pretty much impossible to predict who will land where.

However I’m not sold on the Big 10, Pac 12 and ACC rushing to dismantle what’s left of the Big 12 after UT and OU are gone.  I just don’t see how it will benefit them on a per-member revenue basis.  Why expand your footprint if your per-school payout stays the same or shrinks?

I think this could play out very simply with UT and OU joining the SEC, the Big 12 backfilling with Cincinatti or Houston for all sports and BYU for football only, and the AAC standing pat with its remaining members.  Done.

As Phil Leotardo from The Sopranos said once upon a time, “decapitate and do business with whatever’s left”. It’s pretty simple, if the other power conferences just eat the Big 12 to the point where the conference has to dissolve, it makes the remaining power conferences automatically more valuable TV properties. Demand for power conferences remains the same, but the supply goes down by 1. And even if the TV money somehow remains exactly the same per school, there is a lot of value in completely killing off a power conference that will just compete for CFP spots and March madness bids. 

[Rosegreen]

UNLV to Big12 

 

[Koji Vu]

3 hours ago, kalua pig said:

the new world order: 4x16=62. the p4 will become the new division 1.the entire ncaa basketball tournament will be comprised from these four conferences. everybody else is big sky.

If this happens, hopefully it is AFTER the vote for a 12 team playoff with 6 autobids! Otherwise the G5 is locked out forever.

[Koji Vu]

24 minutes ago, Ibanez said:

People keep saying that and it's not true.

Correct. Look at football attendance numbers to see where the real power lies - and it's not in the AAC. 

[Jalapeno]

 

[BacksThePack]

OSU and TTU are basically guaranteed P12 seats at this point.

[Del Scorcho]

6 minutes ago, BacksThePack said:

OSU and TTU are basically guaranteed P12 seats at this point.

OSU maybe, but for like the 10th time, I fail to see the value in Texas Tech

[Del Scorcho]

inevitably this will be bad for college football, it ushers toward an era where there will be a body of the top 20 - 25 programs leaving the rest of us to scrape by and eventually die off.

[AztecSU]

10 minutes ago, Del Scorcho said:

inevitably this will be bad for college football, it ushers toward an era where there will be a body of the top 20 - 25 programs leaving the rest of us to scrape by and eventually die off.

Nah, variety is the spice of life...the smaller CFB gets the less value the top programs will have, so they may move around, but separating would lead to the slow death of it all IMO. 

[RebelRobert]

28 minutes ago, Del Scorcho said:

OSU maybe, but for like the 10th time, I fail to see the value in Texas Tech

Even Oklahoma State is an iffy add for the PAC-12 but I could see them doing it.

Ever been to Stillwater?  It is not Norman.

Adding Oklahoma State without OU would not be the best move for the PAC-12 in my opinion.

I would want SDSU, Houston, UNLV and even Colorado State before I would add Oklahoma State by themselves if I was running the PAC-12.

Texas Tech makes no sense for the PAC-12. Lubbock Texas???  I would want New Mexico over them.  I would take 25 other schools before Texas Tech.

[alum93]

14 minutes ago, RebelRobert said:

Even Oklahoma State is an iffy add for the PAC-12 but I could see them doing it.

Ever been to Stillwater?  It is not Norman.

Adding Oklahoma State without OU would not be the best move for the PAC-12 in my opinion.

I would want SDSU, Houston, UNLV and even Colorado State before I would add Oklahoma State by themselves if I was running the PAC-12.

Texas Tech makes no sense for the PAC-12. Lubbock Texas???  I would want New Mexico over them.  I would take 25 other schools before Texas Tech.

There isn't a P5 conference in the US that would want UNM over Texas Tech.  Come on man.  We are talking football expansion, not balloon festivals.  Can you imagine even making that pitch to the USC, UCLA, and Washingtons of college sports.  Let's be at least a little realistic in moves that could happen when the chess pieces start moving around.

[BacksThePack]

I'd kick Hawaii's tires if I was the P12. They could build the nicest stadium in the conference if they knew they were getting a call up right now.

[RebelRobert]

8 minutes ago, alum93 said:

There isn't a P5 conference in the US that would want UNM over Texas Tech.  Come on man.  We are talking football expansion, not balloon festivals.  Can you imagine even making that pitch to the USC, UCLA, and Washingtons of college sports.  Let's be at least a little realistic in moves that could happen when the chess pieces start moving around.

I am no Texas Tech or Lubbock Texas fan and I see no reason why Texas Tech should be added to any conference.  They are garbage.

If PAC-12's big move is to add Texas Tech, they are in big trouble.

Texas Tech brings zero value