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2 hours ago, RebelRobert said:

New PAC-12 Commissioner issues a dare to the Big-12 leftovers.  Basically says the MWC doesn't exist.

I'm listening to this press conference on YouTube and that's not what he said.

He said "the only P5 conference with teams in the Pacific and Mtn time zones"

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1 hour ago, Aslowhiteguy said:

Even if the B12 is reduced to 6 teams, they are still in a position to back fill with any GO5 schools of their choosing.  Even in a depleted, weakened condition, the B12 is still a stronger and more desirable conference than the AAC or MW. 

Multiple journalistic outlets (including The Athletic) have reported otherwise.

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4 hours ago, RebelAlliance said:

One thing you left out is the comment that Texas needs to become more blue collar. I've watched parts of many Longhorn games over the last several years (can never watch an entire game of players wearing burnt orange) and it's apparent UT has gotten overly foo-foo on offense. Charlie Strong was a bad hire as a school with a history of large pounding running backs like Earl Campbell and Ricky Williams went to a spread. UT has made bad hires before and eventually overcome them (e.g., John Mackovic) and they'll adjust to the SEC hardnose style of play and be just fine down the road.

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3 minutes ago, bornsilverandblue said:

Multiple journalistic outlets (including The Athletic) have reported otherwise.

Link?  Because I subscribe to the Athletic and havent seen that, except Nicole Auerbach's column, which was designed to be written from the AAC perspective.  The Athletic has been trying to cover all angles and perspectives.

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Just now, RSF said:

Link?  Because I subscribe to the Athletic and havent seen that.

 

He is referencing the Athletic piece where they guessed the Big 12 without those teams would have their media deal reduced to 9-12 million a year.

That would still give them nearly 26 million in conference distribution, eclipsing the AAC and MWC.

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2 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

He is referencing the Athletic piece where they guessed the Big 12 without those teams would have their media deal reduced to 9-12 million a year.

That would still give them nearly 26 million in conference distribution, eclipsing the AAC and MWC.

Right, Which still makes them stronger and more desirable. 

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Just now, RSF said:

Right, Which still makes them stronger and more desirable. 

Absolutely.

If KU and WV leave as well it gets closer to AAC MWC territory but still enough they can pull from either conference.

 

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On 7/23/2021 at 9:24 PM, NorthWestCowboy said:

What say you @Jeffkills?

Yeah, we suck...

We'll probably go .500, then Mike McCarthy is fired.  

Then, KM will be hired, and we'll be on a SB cruise for the next 4-5 years...

Ah, delusion...

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1 hour ago, SalinasSpartan said:

Isn’t it 7 schools? I think I remember that from when we bolted from the WAC with USU, La Tech, UTSA, and Tx State, that they needed to get back to at least 7 schools to keep the conference going.

the minimum for FBS status is 8 active football member schools. The WAC was allowed an exemption at 7 but it needed to get back to 8 in the near future

The WAC/Benson had hoped to keep us (Hawaii) on board and even offered the school to "double-dip" in tv revenue (PPV + Conference) as the longest remaining standing member of the conference. Which would have allowed the conference to stay at 8 member schools (Idaho, NMSU, Texas State, UTSA, Utah State, SJSU, Hawaii, La Tech along with non-fb schools like Denver and Seattle) with possible additions of football schools like Lamar and Liberty if needed for fbs status. 

But our AD and major boosters were looking for a way out the door either at going the independence route with some sort of scheduling agreement with some schools of the PAC12/MW/WAC or joining the MW in some way and keep with former conference mates that just announced them joining the MW (Fresno, Nevada) as we knew the Big West would likely allow us back in for our non-fb sports if needed because of the historical ties to the conference. Also it deterred us staying in the WAC with the increased travel to the midwest. When we left the WAC was left with 7, then when the Big East allured SDSU and Boise it allowed for SJSU and Utah State to join the MW a couple years after which created a domino effect from there

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53 minutes ago, bigron said:

WVU doesn't make sense to anyone.  The island that they are on doesn't have an airport.  Fly in to Pittsburg and bus....a long bus ride.  WVU fans do not like the B12 at all as they can't get to any of the schools on a tank of gas and a 12 pack of beer.  The fans don't fly out of non-existent airports.   The state is losing population and that is not a good sign.   I was surprised that the B12 took them.  Those voting must have never been to Morgantown.    

WVU membership in the ACC makes considerable sense to WVU. However, last I looked, WVU can't force the ACC to take them.

Hey, I know! Joe Manchin can introduce a bill that would get that done!

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17 minutes ago, Aslowhiteguy said:

Isn't their contract going to be renegotiated anyway when the conference membership changes? 

I have only seen one thing that hinted at that, but there are problems with that for ESPN in particular

when one party attempts to lure another party to break a contract for financial gain that is "enticement" or "torturous interference"

ESPN owns half of he Big 12 media rights and 100% of the SEC rights

the contract that Fox signed was when the Big 12 was 10 teams with A&M and MU still members and it required 10 teams to stay in force.....it made no specifics for any teams.....so when A&M and MU left TCU and WVU were in and nothing changed

then about 9 months later (Sept 2012) ESPN negotiated a new contract 3 years early with the Big 12...the one in place now....at that same time fox paid a bit more money to get better football picks so really both the contracts pay about the same

no one has ever mentioned anything about specific teams needing to be in the conference or the contracts decreases on value or become void....I have seen no credible reports of that now

BUT back to the "enticement" and "torturous interference"....even if the ESPN contract specifically had a need for Texas and OU to be in the conference or the contract decreases on value or becomes void.....well if it can be shown that ESPN was a party to luring Texas and OU to break that contract and that there was financial gain or benefit for ESPN to do so well if you lose that type of case in court then you pay 3X the damages plus court cost

I do not know if the Big 12 would win a case like that one never knows how court cases go, but if ESPN went to the Big 12 and said they are going to void their contract or reduce it greatly well that is beneficial to ESPN....and Texas and OU in the SEC is beneficial to ESPN that is a given....can it be proven that ESPN was a party to making that happen...I would say the chances are very high it could

I would say there is a chance that with Fox if Fox said they were going to void or reduce the contract well ESPN could still be on the hook for the 3xdamages from THAT contract as well.....if it can be shown that ESPN was a party to luring Texas and OU to the SEC and that it was profitable for ESPN to do so.....I think there is a chance that Fox could go after ESPN in that case as well as the Big 12 because Fox is damages as well and stands to lose those games with Texas and OU in them and thus their contract value drops

it will cost ESPN $375 million over the final 3 years of the Big 12 contract to pay it out.....Fox will be paying about the same

so is it worth it to ESPN to possibly lose 3X $375 million......or worse if Fox is shown to be damaged and ESPN is responsible and ESPN is responsible for the damages to the Big 12 for Fox lowering their contract or dropping it....well you might be looking at 3X $750 million or more if the damages to Fox are included not just the Big 12

there is another issue there too....if ESPN was drug into court they would have to start talking about all the other conferences and all the other teams in conferences that they have been talking to.....and ESPN and other conferences and other teams do not want that to get out in court

again ESPN may well try and reduce or drop the contract and same with Fox, but I have seen nothing that says they can and I believe there is a lot of financial risk and other risk to do so

I think paying it out and moving on is the best bet for them

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It is starting to appear that non of the remining Power 4 conferences see any financial benefit from adding any of the remaining B-12 schools. Their only option maybe that they have to stick together and go West go East or both. I would say BYU, Cincinnati and UCF are locks. Other than that it's anybody's guess.

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2 minutes ago, wolf from 73 said:

It is starting to appear that non of the remining Power 4 conferences see any financial benefit from adding any of the remaining B-12 schools. Their only option maybe that they have to stick together and go West go East or both. I would say BYU, Cincinnati and UCF are locks. Other than that it is anybody's guess.

Since the B1G, the P12 and the ACC were apparently blindsided by the news of UT and OU to the SEC, it's much too soon to draw any such conclusion.

It's going to take weeks if not months but I still think there's a good chance the P12 offers Okie State and TT. Both have P12 worthy academics and very good football and hoops and if I'm not mistaken, OSU has Boone Pickens millions. Just as important, so doing would greatly reduce any future chance of the nB12 retaining power conference football status.

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5 minutes ago, wolf from 73 said:

It is starting to appear that non of the remining Power 4 conferences see any financial benefit from adding any of the remaining B-12 schools. Their only option maybe that they have to stick together and go West go East or both. I would say BYU, Cincinnati and UCF are locks. Other than that it's anybody's guess.

the key there is "remaining"

if other teams from P5 conferences start making moves then that opens up a lot of other options that is why the members of the Big 12 need to be patient

it could be a mistake to add Cincy and UCF if Arizona and ASU or Utah become available

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4 minutes ago, 818SUDSFan said:

Since the B1G, the P12 and the ACC were apparently blindsided by the news of UT and OU to the SEC, it's much too soon to draw any such conclusion.

It's going to take weeks if not months but I still think there's a good chance the P12 offers Okie State and TT. Both have P12 worthy academics and very good football and hoops and if I'm not mistaken, OSU has Boone Pickens millions. Just as important, so doing would greatly reduce any future chance of the nB12 retaining power conference football status.

Boone's dead.

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48 minutes ago, bornsilverandblue said:

Multiple journalistic outlets (including The Athletic) have reported otherwise.

They're absolutely wrong, too. 

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14 minutes ago, wolf from 73 said:

It is starting to appear that non of the remining Power 4 conferences see any financial benefit from adding any of the remaining B-12 schools. Their only option maybe that they have to stick together and go West go East or both. I would say BYU, Cincinnati and UCF are locks. Other than that it's anybody's guess.

Wait until even more teams are left in the dust if/when the Big 10 poaches the top 2 to 6 Pac 12 teams.

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Just now, RSF said:

Boone's dead.

Yeah, but didn't he leave the school megabucks in a trust?

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