Dogs4Me Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 On 5/14/2023 at 1:44 PM, ---I GREEN INFECTION I--- said: Where do you stand @Dogs4Me? Do you believe CSU-Frenso's last 3-major attempts to upgrade facilities were total abject failures? I believe they were mismanaged; if they were abject failures then no lessons would have been learned and applied. Given this is a new group of admin types leading this charge and waiting to make any announcements, or reveals for that matter, until initial funding is in place would indicate those lessons are being applied. I believe this has been kept under wraps to the point where even the FS fan base has been calling for heads to roll due to no apparent efforts. Given what has been presented thus far, it’s clear that efforts have been underway to get things locked down and planned in a manner to avoid project failure. Seems like a good plan…the real challenge will be keeping things moving at a rate that continues to build financial momentum. The successful completion of a project doesn’t happen in the execution phase, it happens in the planning phase; the fact they’re comfortable enough to reveal the plan and start the execution phase is telling. BTW, GreenEnvy. Quote Quote Mike Bronson, on 27 Sept 2013 - 8:45 PM, said: Don't be mad because the refs are going to need Tommy John surgeries after this poorly played game. Quote mugtang, on 27 Sept 2013 - 8:49 PM, said: Your mom is going to need Tommy John surgery after jerking me off all night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yoda Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 The Pac 12 is confident they will be together for a long time into the future https://sportstalkflorida.com/featured/the-pac-12-is-confident-they-will-be-together-for-a-long-time-into-the-future/ Quote ____________________________________________... After deleting some of my posts and closing the offending SteveAztec thread, a couple of elites have been able to open it long enough to respond to me anyway. And since I can’t respond on a closed thread, here is my response… Other than the initial inquiry, this has never been about letting Steve post again; I doubt that he even wants to post here. My complaint is about his treatment on this board and the failure of admins to control attacks on him – and worse, to sometimes participate in those attacks. Steve was first banned on the SDSU board. When he was banned, it was a sufficiently controversial that they started what became an 8 page thread on the topic to justify the decision (https://aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/9747/steve-aztec-longer-member-board). It is clear that Steve had support in the community and there was some criticism for the Board Administrators for having failed to “expel the dozens of people who've been taunting him.” (And take a look at the thread that I bumped; initially it was supporters happy about Steve getting a radio show. Then the haters arrived.) I can’t say if Steve took it too far in response, but I will say that he denies most of various accusations and adds important missing context to others. But I wasn’t a party to any of the events and can’t say who is in the right and who is in the wrong. And I have to admit that if half of what has been said about him is true, depending on context, I might well have banned him too. Or more likely I might have banned those who were taunting him. (Steve had lost a brother-in-law to suicide and there have been a number of memes of people blowing their brains out, as well as posts blaming Steve or his sister for the suicide – and admins apparently let it go.) I am in no position to evaluate the truth or falsity of the laundry list of claims made on this board about how Steve responded to all this. My complaint, however, is about his treatment on this board. I may be wrong, but his banning on this board at least appears to have been less about what he did on this board and more a carryover from the SDSU banning. The same taunting continued – more suicide memes – apparently ignored by the admins. Utenation supposedly posted the first and it is explained away because he didn’t know about the suicide. But was the post taken down? Was an apology issued? Indeed, for years, admins on this board have allowed Steve to be vilified based on little more than anecdotal hearsay. This is a privately owned board, but it is not a private board – anyone can join. And more than that, It’s not an anonymous board; people know who Steve. You have a duty to protect your posters from libelous statements and unproven allegations -- especially when, having been banned themselves, they have no ability to defend themselves. Even Retrofade (who says he’s not a mod but can post to closed threads) put up a “blowing his brains out” meme several years ago. He knew that Steve lost his brother-in-law to suicide, and he now says that “Steve is a mentally disturbed individual”, which is libelous by the way, but excuses his meme as nothing more than being in “poor taste”. Apparently it is okay with the board's current admins to taunt a "mentally disturbed person" because the post has never been taken down. The poster has never been admonished. And there has been no apology, unless you consider "he deserved it" to be an apology. In my view, you owe Steve an apology for the treatment that you have tolerated and, in some cases, engaged in. A former Aztec board went out of business when sued (not by Steve). It won’t be the last one. You need to fix this. You need to administer your board and prevent libelous and incendiary attacks -- hearsay-- on posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 On 5/15/2023 at 10:41 AM, Yoda said: And honestly, I'm perfectly capable of figuring out who I do and don't need to worry about. Nah, you are just another message board hack that spews endless, unsourced and uncredible info like a firehose. You are getting tossed from SDSU threads/board because of your tom foolery. There's more than a few knuckleheads on this thread that you are now rivaling for most incompetent. @Did I hear a WOOSH? is the current champ, but you are climbing the ranks quickly. "Capable" is a very loose term in your world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Wrong thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 On 5/15/2023 at 12:38 PM, utenation said: Nah, you are just another message board hack that spews endless, unsourced and uncredible info like a firehose. You are getting tossed from SDSU threads/board because of your tom foolery. There's more than a few knuckleheads on this thread that you are now rivaling for most incompetent. @Did I hear a WOOSH? is the current champ, but you are climbing the ranks quickly. "Capable" is a very loose term in your world. 2 Quote ____________________________________________... After deleting some of my posts and closing the offending SteveAztec thread, a couple of elites have been able to open it long enough to respond to me anyway. And since I can’t respond on a closed thread, here is my response… Other than the initial inquiry, this has never been about letting Steve post again; I doubt that he even wants to post here. My complaint is about his treatment on this board and the failure of admins to control attacks on him – and worse, to sometimes participate in those attacks. Steve was first banned on the SDSU board. When he was banned, it was a sufficiently controversial that they started what became an 8 page thread on the topic to justify the decision (https://aztecmesa.proboards.com/thread/9747/steve-aztec-longer-member-board). It is clear that Steve had support in the community and there was some criticism for the Board Administrators for having failed to “expel the dozens of people who've been taunting him.” (And take a look at the thread that I bumped; initially it was supporters happy about Steve getting a radio show. Then the haters arrived.) I can’t say if Steve took it too far in response, but I will say that he denies most of various accusations and adds important missing context to others. But I wasn’t a party to any of the events and can’t say who is in the right and who is in the wrong. And I have to admit that if half of what has been said about him is true, depending on context, I might well have banned him too. Or more likely I might have banned those who were taunting him. (Steve had lost a brother-in-law to suicide and there have been a number of memes of people blowing their brains out, as well as posts blaming Steve or his sister for the suicide – and admins apparently let it go.) I am in no position to evaluate the truth or falsity of the laundry list of claims made on this board about how Steve responded to all this. My complaint, however, is about his treatment on this board. I may be wrong, but his banning on this board at least appears to have been less about what he did on this board and more a carryover from the SDSU banning. The same taunting continued – more suicide memes – apparently ignored by the admins. Utenation supposedly posted the first and it is explained away because he didn’t know about the suicide. But was the post taken down? Was an apology issued? Indeed, for years, admins on this board have allowed Steve to be vilified based on little more than anecdotal hearsay. This is a privately owned board, but it is not a private board – anyone can join. And more than that, It’s not an anonymous board; people know who Steve. You have a duty to protect your posters from libelous statements and unproven allegations -- especially when, having been banned themselves, they have no ability to defend themselves. Even Retrofade (who says he’s not a mod but can post to closed threads) put up a “blowing his brains out” meme several years ago. He knew that Steve lost his brother-in-law to suicide, and he now says that “Steve is a mentally disturbed individual”, which is libelous by the way, but excuses his meme as nothing more than being in “poor taste”. Apparently it is okay with the board's current admins to taunt a "mentally disturbed person" because the post has never been taken down. The poster has never been admonished. And there has been no apology, unless you consider "he deserved it" to be an apology. In my view, you owe Steve an apology for the treatment that you have tolerated and, in some cases, engaged in. A former Aztec board went out of business when sued (not by Steve). It won’t be the last one. You need to fix this. You need to administer your board and prevent libelous and incendiary attacks -- hearsay-- on posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogs4Me Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 On 5/15/2023 at 1:21 PM, utenation said: Wrong thread. Sorta like the “wrong hole” thing that happens occasionally…we’ve all been there. 1 Quote Quote Mike Bronson, on 27 Sept 2013 - 8:45 PM, said: Don't be mad because the refs are going to need Tommy John surgeries after this poorly played game. Quote mugtang, on 27 Sept 2013 - 8:49 PM, said: Your mom is going to need Tommy John surgery after jerking me off all night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
415hawaiiboy Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 On 5/15/2023 at 10:47 AM, EvilPoke said: Generally, all for this - but... 1. They wouldn't split up the remaining Pac teams. Move UNLV and Nevada over 2. Why in the world would CAL get uneven revenue? 3. Stanford would go independent before doing this. Stanford would prob need to be in a conference to make the expanded playoffs. So, I’d agree about them going independent except for that variable. If Cal stays on, Stanford more likely also. They will hope the Big10 comes for them eventually. I think the left behind P12 members (Cal included; to some extent SDSU/SMU maybe) will push for uneven revenue. Unless you’re part of the P2, the era of uneven revenue has begun. The remaining P12 schools staying in one division makes sense. OSU and Wazzu feel they are superior to Boise State (even though it makes so much sense to pair them all up as a region). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamSack Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 If/when the PAC 12 gets gutted, assuming Cal and Stanford are still in it, could they use their clout and push for a more “Ivy League” type of conference vs expanding with the mindset of only factoring in the best remaining football schools? So, schools like AFA, CSU, Rice, SJSU, Wyo and USU get added over some of the less academically prestigious schools like BSU and Fresno? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Did I hear a WOOSH? Posted May 16 Author Share Posted May 16 The Florida State AD’s whining about UCF is shaking the ACC right now. Maybe just maybe a well placed Big 12 lifeline to Pitt is enough to have them switch over to the dark side of the the ACC and break those GOR. Only need one more, if that happens it could preserve west coast football a little more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 On 5/16/2023 at 5:39 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said: The Florida State AD’s whining about UCF is shaking the ACC right now. Maybe just maybe a well placed Big 12 lifeline to Pitt is enough to have them switch over to the dark side of the the ACC and break those GOR. Only need one more, if that happens it could preserve west coast football a little more. Takes 2/3rds to 3/4th vote for major issues in the ACC bylaws. Not that simply voting the GOR out of existence is an option, but the bar is higher than you suggest. Quote The louder someone claims to know something, the less they generally know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Coast Aztec Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Would be great if the ACC 7 are doing clandestine ops to kick UL, BC and Pitt/Cuse the +++++ out and let Big 12 have them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Did I hear a WOOSH? Posted May 16 Author Share Posted May 16 On 5/16/2023 at 7:39 AM, RSF said: Takes 2/3rds to 3/4th vote for major issues in the ACC bylaws. Not that simply voting the GOR out of existence is an option, but the bar is higher than you suggest. The 8 would secede from the ACC which would nullify the GOR. That’s the ‘best’ hope from the people trying hardest to find a way. It’s not the same as opening the GOR. Whatever. It doesn’t matter, why would ESPN pay more for FSU and Clemson when they already own their rights? The argument isn’t matter of likelihood, it’s about what would need to happen. Your incredulity is misguided again. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 On 5/16/2023 at 7:03 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said: The 8 would secede from the ACC which would nullify the GOR. That’s the ‘best’ hope from the people trying hardest to find a way. It’s not the same as opening the GOR. Whatever. It doesn’t matter, why would ESPN pay more for FSU and Clemson when they already own their rights? The argument isn’t matter of likelihood, it’s about what would need to happen. Your incredulity is misguided again. Doesnt nullify the GOR. The ACC would still own their media rights. Try and keep up. 2 1 Quote The louder someone claims to know something, the less they generally know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
---I GREEN INFECTION I--- Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 On 5/14/2023 at 1:44 PM, ---I GREEN INFECTION I--- said: Where do you stand @Dogs4Me? Do you believe CSU-Frenso's last 3-major attempts to upgrade facilities were total abject failures? On 5/15/2023 at 10:56 AM, Dogs4Me said: I believe they were mismanaged; if they were abject failures then no lessons would have been learned and applied. Given this is a new group of admin types leading this charge and waiting to make any announcements, or reveals for that matter, until initial funding is in place would indicate those lessons are being applied. I believe this has been kept under wraps to the point where even the FS fan base has been calling for heads to roll due to no apparent efforts. Given what has been presented thus far, it’s clear that efforts have been underway to get things locked down and planned in a manner to avoid project failure. Seems like a good plan…the real challenge will be keeping things moving at a rate that continues to build financial momentum. The successful completion of a project doesn’t happen in the execution phase, it happens in the planning phase; the fact they’re comfortable enough to reveal the plan and start the execution phase is telling. BTW, GreenEnvy. So...in other words, you are telling me: The 4th Time is the Charm ¿Is that your msg in a San Joaquin Valley almond shell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 https://theathletic.com/4521787/2023/05/15/acc-realignment-grant-of-rights/ Lawyers for a subset of schools have been thoroughly examining the document. One industry source said he was told that seven ACC schools are interested in exploring ways to leave the ACC. “If it were simple, everybody would have done it already,” an ACC source pointed out. The GOR piece is important because the ACC would continue to own the broadcast rights of all of its teams’ home games, even if that team were to pay the exit fee and leave. Is there a dollar figure that a school could pay to get its rights back? Even if it is exorbitant, it could be worth paying to get to a league that will bring in $30 million more per member annually. --------------------------------- If Florida State, Clemson, Virginia, North Carolina and Miami were to become available, that’s a real and major domino to fall in conference realignment. As one Big Ten source put it, “Those schools are where the real value is.” Quote The louder someone claims to know something, the less they generally know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
