818SUDSFan Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 6:41 AM, Someone Else said: The real question is, if these schools are actually refusing to sign, what option do they all actually have?? Oregon and UW are the strongest candidates from a media standpoint so if the B10 doesn't currently want them then where are they gonna go?? Their options are the nB12, the MW, or what??? So even if they are upset they kinda have to stick together until such time as the B10 decides to expand again. that's my opinion anyway. Not exactly a secret that UW and UO would like to join the L.A. schools in the B1G. There's also been enough smoke coming out of Tucson about UA possibly being interested in the B12 to think something is smoldering about that. However, it's also quite clear that none of the other seven schools have any desire to leave the conference but are instead committed to keeping it in existence and it's unclear whether UW and UO could politically leave for the B1G even if the B1G should offer them membership and I've been told a state board runs all three public universities in Arizona and it is unlikely to let UA leave the Pac on its lonesome. Prediction: The aforementioned three schools don't want a GOR at all whereas the other seven want a lengthy one. The obvious solution will be a compromise GOR which is either of short duration or has an escape clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
818SUDSFan Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 8:48 AM, HawaiiMongoose said: Yes, the report that the Pac deal is only $25 million per school and that some are refusing to accept it could be pure BS. And even if it’s not, the scenario I described is still only a possibility. I just won’t be surprised if it comes to pass. In conference realignment, once a tipping point is reached a lot can happen very fast. Those who aren’t preparing for every contingency are the most likely to get burned. I knew next to nothing about this Monty guy so have done some digging. On Altadore's twitter site, a bunch of people have come out of the woodwork to say Monty is notorious for being FOS. Also, anyone who can find the site will see Monty's bio on which he admits he's been fired by more stations than the number of penises which have visited the backseat of Madonna's limo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utgrizfan Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 11:42 AM, 818SUDSFan said: Not exactly a secret that UW and UO would like to join the L.A. schools in the B1G. There's also been enough smoke coming out of Tucson about UA possibly being interested in the B12 to think something is smoldering about that. However, it's also quite clear that none of the other seven schools have any desire to leave the conference but are instead committed to keeping it in existence and it's unclear whether UW and UO could politically leave for the B1G even if the B1G should offer them membership and I've been told a state board runs all three public universities in Arizona and it is unlikely to let UA leave the Pac on its lonesome. Prediction: The aforementioned three schools don't want a GOR at all whereas the other seven want a lengthy one. The obvious solution will be a compromise GOR which is either of short duration or has an escape clause. Biggest issues facing Oregon and Washington is the fact the BIG10 presidents don't want to add more schools and they will be facing pushback/blocking from USCLA on top of that now. Really their only options are to Make the PAC succeed or make a move to the Big12, I don't see the Big10 changing that mindset for a long time if ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdgaucho Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 10:42 AM, 818SUDSFan said: Not exactly a secret that UW and UO would like to join the L.A. schools in the B1G. There's also been enough smoke coming out of Tucson about UA possibly being interested in the B12 to think something is smoldering about that. However, it's also quite clear that none of the other seven schools have any desire to leave the conference but are instead committed to keeping it in existence and it's unclear whether UW and UO could politically leave for the B1G even if the B1G should offer them membership and I've been told a state board runs all three public universities in Arizona and it is unlikely to let UA leave the Pac on its lonesome. Prediction: The aforementioned three schools don't want a GOR at all whereas the other seven want a lengthy one. The obvious solution will be a compromise GOR which is either of short duration or has an escape clause. A short GOR would be admission they are potentially all sitting on a ticking time bomb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Quote The louder someone claims to know something, the less they generally know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdgaucho Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 11:05 AM, RSF said: BYU gets to host Oklahoma. Ice cream parlors in Provo rejoice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Mr Insider was way off on his UCF info on the schedule. No TCU, No Texas, No Iowa State, Texas Tech on the road, includes Cincy. Shocking. 1 Quote The louder someone claims to know something, the less they generally know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 11:42 AM, 818SUDSFan said: Not exactly a secret that UW and UO would like to join the L.A. schools in the B1G. There's also been enough smoke coming out of Tucson about UA possibly being interested in the B12 to think something is smoldering about that. However, it's also quite clear that none of the other seven schools have any desire to leave the conference but are instead committed to keeping it in existence and it's unclear whether UW and UO could politically leave for the B1G even if the B1G should offer them membership and I've been told a state board runs all three public universities in Arizona and it is unlikely to let UA leave the Pac on its lonesome. Prediction: The aforementioned three schools don't want a GOR at all whereas the other seven want a lengthy one. The obvious solution will be a compromise GOR which is either of short duration or has an escape clause. I listened to a podcast with our AD, just done a few days ago. He said, now that the UCLA situation is final, things are going to move quickly. He said much of the contract(s) were hammered out late last year pending UCLA staying or not. He said this includes GOR. There wasn’t any hint of hesitation by any schools. So unless the details of the GOR are still a moving target, I have to believe things are moving forward, especially this late in the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utgrizfan Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 12:20 PM, utenation said: I listened to a podcast with our AD, just done a few days ago. He said, now that the UCLA situation is final, things are going to move quickly. He said much of the contract(s) were hammered out late last year pending UCLA staying or not. He said this includes GOR. There wasn’t any hint of hesitation by any schools. So unless the details of the GOR are still a moving target, I have to believe things are moving forward, especially this late in the game. I'm assuming he reiterated the fact that the Conference is moving forward together and 0 interest in the Big12? I only partly question it not from the view of Utah, but just seems so many schools have different agendas. Cal/Stanford (academic snobbery), Oregon/UW want in the Big10, Arizona (care more about Basketball so Big12) ex. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 12:27 PM, utgrizfan said: I'm assuming he reiterated the fact that the Conference is moving forward together and 0 interest in the Big12? I only partly question it not from the view of Utah, but just seems so many schools have different agendas. Cal/Stanford (academic snobbery), Oregon/UW want in the Big10, Arizona (care more about Basketball so Big12) ex. No mention of the B12. But if there were schools throwing mud with different agendas I think Mark would be more tight lipped and hesitant with a tone of Utah will make sure we are in the best position possible, not unity. We all know UW/O played their hand to get in the B10. That ship has sailed and it’s all quiet. Can that change? Sure. Harlan has big boosters and fans to answer to. If the P12 media deal was fake handshakes with smoke and mirrors and we get blindsided, he’d be the dumbest AD on the planet. None of this is guaranteed at all but I’ll certainly give info from our AD more credibility than a lot of the “insider” media hack garbage on this thread. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtball Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 11:20 AM, utenation said: I listened to a podcast with our AD, just done a few days ago. He said, now that the UCLA situation is final, things are going to move quickly. He said much of the contract(s) were hammered out late last year pending UCLA staying or not. He said this includes GOR. There wasn’t any hint of hesitation by any schools. So unless the details of the GOR are still a moving target, I have to believe things are moving forward, especially this late in the game. do you have a link for the podcast? Quote "Make like a tree and scram" - Rosegreen Your administration is the reason why our basketball league is bleeding out currently. If you didn't insist on San Jose being in the MWC, so you guys would have someone that votes similar to SDSU, every team in the MWC wouldn't have to play 2 games vs. a team with a 330 RPI ranking EVERY season. You guys are as stupid as you are desperate. - Cowboy Junky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 12:42 PM, Dirtball said: do you have a link for the podcast? Most of it is Utah Homer stuff. I think he discusses the goodies around the 31 min mark. Btw, he said they will be looking at expansion too at some point. Take that with a grain of salt. https://utahutes.com/news/2023/1/26/general-hear-it-from-harlan-podcast-january-2023.aspx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzagafan2021 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 1:47 PM, 818SUDSFan said: I knew next to nothing about this Monty guy so have done some digging. On Altadore's twitter site, a bunch of people have come out of the woodwork to say Monty is notorious for being FOS. Also, anyone who can find the site will see Monty's bio on which he admits he's been fired by more stations than the number of penises which have visited the backseat of Madonna's limo. Lol I watched the show this morning and I was like where is he getting his sources? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 1:54 PM, Gonzagafan2021 said: Lol I watched the show this morning and I was like where is he getting his sources? Woosh.... Quote The louder someone claims to know something, the less they generally know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 12:55 PM, RSF said: Woosh.... I'm betting Woosh provided his one page Excel spreadsheet that covers every possible detail of expansion scenarios. And you can take those TV rating numbers to the bank too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-zone99 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 12:40 PM, utenation said: No mention of the B12. But if there were schools throwing mud with different agendas I think Mark would be more tight lipped and hesitant with a tone of Utah will make sure we are in the best position possible, not unity. We all know UW/O played their hand to get in the B10. That ship has sailed and it’s all quiet. Can that change? Sure. Harlan has big boosters and fans to answer to. If the P12 media deal was fake handshakes with smoke and mirrors and we get blindsided, he’d be the dumbest AD on the planet. None of this is guaranteed at all but I’ll certainly give info from our AD more credibility than a lot of the “insider” media hack garbage on this thread. Utah according the Monty Show was all in on GOR, mainly streaming (Amazon), and expansion, but Oregon, Washington, and the Arizona schools were not. Not even thinking about what he said about the 7 year deal for $250 million a year. I know at the Pac media days Oregon's AD would not commit to signing a GOR when asked by a reporter, so that part about those schools that didn't want to sign the media deal would not surprise me. Also I could also see a number of school that would not want to expand because of how they view those that would be options for expansion (hint Stanford, Cal...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 3:34 PM, e-zone99 said: Utah according the Monty Show was all in on GOR, mainly streaming (Amazon), and expansion, but Oregon, Washington, and the Arizona schools were not. Not even thinking about what he said about the 7 year deal for $250 million a year. I know at the Pac media days Oregon's AD would not commit to signing a GOR when asked by a reporter, so that part about those schools that didn't want to sign the media deal would not surprise me. LOL. Wasn't this Monty clown already discredited a few posts back? I have some beach front property in Arizona to sell you btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-zone99 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 3:36 PM, utenation said: LOL. Wasn't this Monty clown already discredited a few posts back? I have some beach front property in Arizona to sell you btw. Can't say I believe everything he says, he is an entertainer in many ways. But months ago claimed insiders at both Arizona and Arizona St said all that had been offered was $250 million a year on a 7 year deal, so that number has been out there for a awhile now. But I have heard others of $300 and $350 million, even $400 million, the longer this media negotiations drag out I can't feel is a good thing for the Pac. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 3:45 PM, e-zone99 said: Can't say I believe everything he says, he is an entertainer in many ways. But months ago claimed insiders at both Arizona and Arizona St said all that had been offered was $250 million a year on a 7 year deal, so that number has been out there for a awhile now. But I have heard others of $300 and $350 million, even $400 million, the longer this media negotiations drag out I can't feel is a good thing for the Pac. I think you hear a lot of stuff to be honest. And you pick and chose what you think is credible with a dash of P12/Utah hate salt. Objective isn't in your galaxy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/31/2023 at 5:05 PM, utenation said: I think you hear a lot of stuff to be honest. And you pick and chose what you think is credible with a dash of P12/Utah hate salt. Objective isn't in your galaxy. Let's not kid ourselves. None of us are completely objective on this subject. We all have skin in this game. 2 Quote The louder someone claims to know something, the less they generally know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
