Reverend Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 On 10/15/2022 at 2:49 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said: You don’t think there’s west coast bias? You’re calling me stupid? What exactly did any PAC team show to be ranked top 25 preseason this year? Last year? Year before? Even this year where’s the quality game play? Their ooc record? You’re better than this man. This has been laid out extensively before with the composite trends showing the PAC fading as the season progresses. Every year. I didn't call you stupid. Show me where I called you stupid. Dumbass. Quote I am Halfmanhalfbronco's bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 On 10/15/2022 at 4:08 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said: Balance is the key, it’s not all or nothing. You seem old enough to understand this. Yes, clearly, your posts are the epitome of “balance”. I’m still curious how a real estate hustler like you owns millions in Western properties but knows nothing about the West and probably can’t even name what states are in the West. I think @Jack Bauer still has a few unanswered questions about your Memphis/BSU claims. You are terrible at follow up Woosh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Did I hear a WOOSH? Posted October 15, 2022 Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 On 10/15/2022 at 6:33 PM, utenation said: Yes, clearly, your posts are the epitome of “balance”. I’m still curious how a real estate hustler like you owns millions in Western properties but knows nothing about the West and probably can’t even name what states are in the West. I think @Jack Bauer still has a few unanswered questions about your Memphis/BSU claims. You are terrible at follow up Woosh. So I make a statement, back it up with objective evidence. You don’t like it. You put words in my mouth, then I give examples of the opposite bias in play then instead of shutting up you counter with cheap platitudes that can’t hold then say I can’t follow up…ok… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 On 10/15/2022 at 4:53 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said: So I make a statement, back it up with objective evidence. You don’t like it. You put words in my mouth, then I give examples of the opposite bias in play then instead of shutting up you counter with cheap platitudes that can’t hold then say I can’t follow up…ok… Where are your properties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utgrizfan Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Jesus yall still bickering? YOU'RE BOTH PRETTY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 On 10/15/2022 at 2:44 PM, utenation said: I like TCU to win today btw. Should be a good game. Had to take some of my mother's niyrogylcerin... Quote The louder someone claims to know something, the less they generally know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 On 10/15/2022 at 5:55 PM, RSF said: Had to take some of my mother's niyrogylcerin... Sonny concerns are probably slowing down eh? OSU came out firing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 On 10/15/2022 at 7:05 PM, utenation said: Sonny concerns are probably slowing down eh? OSU came out firing. The AD is probably doing some quiet chest thumping at this pt. Unforunately, no breathers in the Big 12 this year. 2nd largest crowd in school history today. Not a Sooner or Longhorn in sight. 1 Quote The louder someone claims to know something, the less they generally know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 The whole thing with the BCS is it was only as good as the program was with what they wanted the computers to consider. Remember when they had to change formula to take head to head into consideration? I mean the BCS was just as much crap as we have now because it just as easy to change formulas for a computer to consider to get a result as you want as a committee. Just go back to where it was, if there are split champions, which there could still be, then there are split champions to frickin bad. But going back to an earlier point I also believe they shouldn't do any preseason rankings and probably only the first ratings after the first three or four games of the season because all preseason is what a team did last year and how someone thinks they should do this year and nothing else. Oh USC got the Oklahoma coach so they should be good so rank them near the top where if you watched any of their game this year on TV, they were highly overrated, so I think this is where you could say there was some bias. I don't remember if I mentioned this here or not but i read an article a few weeks ago that said if Big 10 invited more schools they would get less money than schools under the new contract that was signed. But I also read that only two AD's/Presidents were against further Big 10 expansion the rest were open to it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 On 10/11/2022 at 11:12 PM, Spaztecs said: Old School Tobacco Road Elitism coupled with a little spite for the State that seceded from the Confederacy ? LOL more like academic elitism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coog kev Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 If not previously posted in this thread, which by now needs its own zip code or telco area code by size..... ...here is PAC dude Wilner's latest. The Power Five Implosion It's a hoot, it is. Especially this ones. The Big 12 could lose a team or two, as well. Kansas would be atop our list of likely departures, followed by Oklahoma State and Houston if the SEC and Big Ten end up as 24-team leagues. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Have Oregon and Washington decided if they want to add any teams from the Big 12 yet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Bauer Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 10/15/2022 at 2:49 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said: You don’t think there’s west coast bias? You’re calling me stupid? What exactly did any PAC team show to be ranked top 25 preseason this year? Last year? Year before? Even this year where’s the quality game play? Their ooc record? You’re better than this man. This has been laid out extensively before with the composite trends showing the PAC fading as the season progresses. Every year. Yes, we’re calling you stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelado Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 10/15/2022 at 12:05 PM, Pelado said: Probably doesn't. I just thought it was interesting. I could be wrong - it's happened like once or twice before. The Massey Composite index is pretty good as a consensus ranking for all teams (whereas the AP or Coaches' polls only rank the top 25). Here's are the current rankings for the future PAC and nBig12 teams with the AP rank in parenthesis: PAC 14 - Oregon (12) 19 - Utah (20) 34 - Washington State 48 - Washington 49 - Oregon State 61 - California 78 - Arizona State 83 - Arizona 90 - Stanford 125 - Colorado nBig12 10 - TCU (13) 12 - Oklahoma State (8) 17 - Kansas State (17) 24 - Kansas (19) 28 - UCF 29 - Baylor 31 - Cincinnati (21) 37 - BYU 39 - Iowa State 41 - Texas Tech 56 - Houston 64 - West Virginia Now, this is just a snapshot in time and the final rankings for the year will likely look significantly different. But it's probably the best we have to work with so far this season. As @NorCalCoug was saying, the nBig12 has better depth than the future PAC this season. The bottom-barrel teams in the nBig12 aren't as terrible as the cellar-dwellers in the PAC. There are 4 PAC teams (ASU, UA, Stanford, Colorado) rated worse than the worst nBig12 team (WV). Additionally, the nBig12 has 9 teams (75% of the conference) in the top 40 of the rankings. Future PAC only has 3 (30%). The nBig12 also has the higher-ranked team in either the Massey Composite (TCU - 10) or the AP (Oklahoma State - 8). The nBig12 has 5 teams currently ranked in the AP while the future PAC has 2. Any objective observer can see that, so far this year, the nBig12 is better than the future PAC. That said, there's no guarantee the nBig12's advantage will continue for the rest of this year or into future years. Updated as of October 16: PAC 14 - Utah (15) 15 - Oregon (10) 35 - Oregon State 42 - Washington 49 - Washington State 76 - Stanford 79 - Arizona State 82 - California 89 - Arizona 116 - Colorado nBig12 8 - TCU (8) 12 - Oklahoma State (11) 18 - Kansas State (17) 24 - UCF 27 - Cincinnati (21) 29 - Kansas (19) 39 - Texas Tech 41 - Iowa State 43 - Baylor 50 - BYU 54 - Houston 57 - West Virginia The future PAC continues with two AP-ranked teams (Utah and Oregon) while the remaining Big12 has 4 (TCU, OSU, KSU, Kansas) and the nBig12 adds another (Cincinnati). The Big12 continues to have more ranked teams as well as the higher-ranked teams. The worst-rated team in the Big12 (West Virginia) is rated better in the composite than the bottom 50% of teams in the future PAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 10/15/2022 at 12:19 PM, utenation said: Let’s revisit this when your team and new conference mates actually play a game in the B12. You can make a case right now with BYU. They're record this season against P5 competition on 1-3. They finish the season with Stanford. They and the AAC adds will struggle for a few seasons before becoming competitive. 1 Quote "You are what your record says you are." Bill Parcells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelado Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 10/16/2022 at 10:16 PM, Spaztecs said: You can make a case right now with BYU. They're record this season against P5 competition on 1-3. They finish the season with Stanford. They and the AAC adds will struggle for a few seasons before becoming competitive. BYU will likely struggle for a while in football, but where they'll really have issues is in basketball. Gonzaga has been crazy good in recent years and Saint Mary's has also been tournament-worthy most seasons. The rest of the WCC has improved a lot in recent years, but has generally been several steps down from there. In the Big12, BYU will be facing a couple recent national title winners (Baylor, Kansas), a national runner-up (Texas Tech), and a bunch of other really good programs. There won't really be any conference games against stepped down competition. BYU's recruiting and schemes will have to get a lot better just to get to .500 in conference play on the court. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Did I hear a WOOSH? Posted October 17, 2022 Author Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 10/17/2022 at 12:33 AM, Pelado said: BYU will likely struggle for a while in football, but where they'll really have issues is in basketball. Gonzaga has been crazy good in recent years and Saint Mary's has also been tournament-worthy most seasons. The rest of the WCC has improved a lot in recent years, but has generally been several steps down from there. In the Big12, BYU will be facing a couple recent national title winners (Baylor, Kansas), a national runner-up (Texas Tech), and a bunch of other really good programs. There won't really be any conference games against stepped down competition. BYU's recruiting and schemes will have to get a lot better just to get to .500 in conference play on the court. Don’t worry you’ll get to play us in basketball, which should give you a couple wins. I do think we’ll be immediately competitive in football though. And womens Bball fwiw. Mens Bball is going to be rough for us though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 10/17/2022 at 6:51 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said: I do think we’ll be immediately competitive in football though. Of course you do. You think UCF would have a great chance to beat the Buffalo Bills every week. You are clueless if you think AAC football is the same as playing P5 football weekly. You know…..The leagues where most of the talent goes. You are pretty dumb bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 10/16/2022 at 9:58 PM, Pelado said: Updated as of October 16: PAC 14 - Utah (15) 15 - Oregon (10) 35 - Oregon State 42 - Washington 49 - Washington State 76 - Stanford 79 - Arizona State 82 - California 89 - Arizona 116 - Colorado nBig12 8 - TCU (8) 12 - Oklahoma State (11) 18 - Kansas State (17) 24 - UCF 27 - Cincinnati (21) 29 - Kansas (19) 39 - Texas Tech 41 - Iowa State 43 - Baylor 50 - BYU 54 - Houston 57 - West Virginia The future PAC continues with two AP-ranked teams (Utah and Oregon) while the remaining Big12 has 4 (TCU, OSU, KSU, Kansas) and the nBig12 adds another (Cincinnati). The Big12 continues to have more ranked teams as well as the higher-ranked teams. The worst-rated team in the Big12 (West Virginia) is rated better in the composite than the bottom 50% of teams in the future PAC. LMAO. Keep grinding those computers bro. Lol at anything thinking Houston and BYU are better than half the PAC. “Powerhouse” BYU just got clobbered in Provo by a very average Arkansas team right after a loss to a terrible Notre Dame team the week before. How's that Baylor win holding up for BYU? Houston might be able to beat Colorado. Big if. Kansas appears to be retuning to normal. TT? Iowa State? umm, ok. If you and the "computers" say so. Do you guys even watch games anymore or just stare at Massey rankings all day Saturday? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecSU Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Neither the Big12 nor the Pac12 have any truly impressive OOC wins. And if KSU wins the B12, the B12 champ will have lost to an AAC school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
