Conference Realignment thread

[AztecSU]

Not counting the USC championships is lame since its pretty clear SEC and others have been paying players well before Bush was at SC. 

[Cougar/Frog]

It looks like Texas and OU won't go to the SEC until 2025.  Plan is 2 years at 14, with every team playing every other team at least once during the 2 years, plus some protected rivalries.   

So 2 more years of Bedlam, and hopefully both OU and Texas make trips to Provo.

Which also means no poaching PAC schools until the 2025 season. 

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 10/14/2022 at 3:44 PM, Cougar/Frog said:

It looks like Texas and OU won't go to the SEC until 2025.  Plan is 2 years at 14, with every team playing every other team at least once during the 2 years, plus some protected rivalries.   

So 2 more years of Bedlam, and hopefully both OU and Texas make trips to Provo.

Which also means no poaching PAC schools until the 2025 season. 

The poaching will happen well before then but the actual move may not happen until then, makes sense.  Next shoe to drop is the big 12 extension.  

[RSF]

On 10/14/2022 at 2:44 PM, Cougar/Frog said:

 

Which also means no poaching PAC schools until the 2025 season. 

No it doesnt.  For the simple fact that the Pac 12 TV deal ends in 2024.  And there won't be a new deal without a GOR.  So any further movement from the Pac 12 would need to occur in the summer of 2024.

[idkk]

It's official...C-USA will be at 10 members after this add:

 

[utenation]

On 10/14/2022 at 11:13 AM, NorCalCoug said:

I agreed with you up until that last line...  good luck with that.

Really? Are you sure your new B12 glasses aren’t messing up your vision? 
 

Right now the B12 has 5 ranked teams in the T25. The PAC has 4. The PAC also has the highest ranked team of both conferences. Where’s the difference? Last week we had 6 teams ranked(WSU was 26th). But shit happens. 

I’d say things look pretty similar in terms of performance this year. Of the new B12 additions BYU and Cincy look to be the only thing decent coming over in football. 
 

UCF is pretty meh and Houston is an embarrassing disaster. People might point to their hoops team but we all know football drives the bus.  

I certainly wouldn’t make an argument that the P12 is much better than the B12. But the way you made it sound, the P12 being better at all is completely inconceivable and a criminal act. Lol

[utenation]

On 10/14/2022 at 1:26 PM, Pelado said:

Of the remaining teams in each conference, 4 PAC teams have won at least a share of a national championship - they really love to share in the PAC.  Two nBig12 teams have won national championships.  None of the national titles are particularly recent - ranging from 31 years old to 102 years old.

PAC

1991 - Washington (shared with Miami)

1990 - Colorado (shared with Georgia Tech)

1926 - Stanford (shared with Alabama)

1922 - California (shared with Cornell and Princeton)

1921 - California (shared with Cornell)

1920 - California

nBig12

1984 - BYU

1938 - TCU

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/college-football-national-championship-history

So how exactly do prehistoric national championships in both conferences make a bit of difference when talking about how both conferences stack up today? 
 

Nobody here was alive when most of those happened. 

[utenation]

On 10/14/2022 at 1:12 PM, Spaztecs said:

BYU a Blue Blood ?

 

Yeah, I’m not sure I’ve ever heard that claim even from delusional die hard BYU fans. 

 Clearly that poster has no clue on what Blue Blood means. Or maybe a casual mistake?

[Spaztecs]

On 10/15/2022 at 4:24 AM, utenation said:

Yeah, I’m not sure I’ve ever heard that claim even from delusional die hard BYU fans. 

 Clearly that poster has no clue on what Blue Blood means. Or maybe a casual mistake?

They do wear Blue Unis.

Bluebloods of the WAC ?

[NorCalCoug]

On 10/15/2022 at 5:54 AM, utenation said:

Really? Are you sure your new B12 glasses aren’t messing up your vision? 
 

Right now the B12 has 5 ranked teams in the T25. The PAC has 4. The PAC also has the highest ranked team of both conferences. Where’s the difference? Last week we had 6 teams ranked(WSU was 26th). But shit happens. 

I’d say things look pretty similar in terms of performance this year. Of the new B12 additions BYU and Cincy look to be the only thing decent coming over in football. 
 

UCF is pretty meh and Houston is an embarrassing disaster. People might point to their hoops team but we all know football drives the bus.  

I certainly wouldn’t make an argument that the P12 is much better than the B12. But the way you made it sound, the P12 being better at all is completely inconceivable and a criminal act. Lol

Find me any ranking system that has the PAC ranked higher than the BigXII right now.  Massey doesn’t and it’s a pretty large gap - see below.  The difference between the two isn’t at the top of the conference.  You sound like the old BSU crew arguing WAC superiority over the MWC based on the merits of its top teams.  As far as the future goes, 2 of the 4 ranked PAC teams are out the door while only 1 of the ranked BigXII teams is.  Multiple incoming BigXII teams have been ranked recently.  Even your “embarrassing disaster” program Houston is currently rated higher than Cal, Arizona, Arizona St, and Stanford - that’s 40% of the future PAC  and that list grows when looking at “pretty meh” UCF.  I never said the gap was wide but the BigXII is better and deeper top to bottom.  I’m not sure it’s my conference glasses that are messing with my vision here.  
 

That said, I will still welcome you and Utah into the BigXII fold with open arms!  

Basketball isn’t even worth debating.

https://masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

 

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 10/14/2022 at 7:38 PM, idkk said:

It's official...C-USA will be at 10 members after this add:

 

That’s a good move for both sides.  

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 10/15/2022 at 5:54 AM, utenation said:

Really? Are you sure your new B12 glasses aren’t messing up your vision? 
 

Right now the B12 has 5 ranked teams in the T25. The PAC has 4. The PAC also has the highest ranked team of both conferences. Where’s the difference? Last week we had 6 teams ranked(WSU was 26th). But shit happens. 

I’d say things look pretty similar in terms of performance this year. Of the new B12 additions BYU and Cincy look to be the only thing decent coming over in football. 
 

UCF is pretty meh and Houston is an embarrassing disaster. People might point to their hoops team but we all know football drives the bus.  

I certainly wouldn’t make an argument that the P12 is much better than the B12. But the way you made it sound, the P12 being better at all is completely inconceivable and a criminal act. Lol

PAC is still benefiting from preseason west coast bias, which will always make you look better in the first half of the season.  It fades annually like clockwork for the PAC.  But seriously, good luck against USC future conference mate. The Massey composite trends are tightening between the PAC and ACC for fourth/fifth place. And 3/4 of the new adds are top 25 caliber teams.  The other would be the best basketball school in the PAC.  

By the way, don’t think UCF is meh anymore.  I’m stunned myself but now that our offense has been let loose we’re one of only three schools in the country with both a top 15 defense and offense (Alabama and Michigan).  

And our Space Game uni’s are the best this year.

[utenation]

On 10/15/2022 at 8:21 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

PAC is still benefiting from preseason west coast bias, which will always make you look better in the first half of the season.  It fades annually like clockwork for the PAC.  But seriously, good luck against USC future conference mate. The Massey composite trends are tightening between the PAC and ACC for fourth/fifth place. And 3/4 of the new adds are top 25 caliber teams.  The other would be the best basketball school in the PAC.  

By the way, don’t think UCF is meh anymore.  I’m stunned myself but now that our offense has been let loose we’re one of only three schools in the country with both a top 15 defense and offense (Alabama and Michigan).  

And our Space Game uni’s are the best this year.

Lol. Of course you think UCF is better than sliced bread . 

They’re not even getting ANY votes in the AP poll. So yeah, very meh.  Nobody nationally cares about UCF. 

I didn’t read the rest of your sewage in your post. Your posts read like a coloring book done by a 2 year old. 

[Jack Bauer]

On 10/15/2022 at 8:21 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

PAC is still benefiting from preseason west coast bias, which will always make you look better in the first half of the season.  It fades annually like clockwork for the PAC.  But seriously, good luck against USC future conference mate. The Massey composite trends are tightening between the PAC and ACC for fourth/fifth place. And 3/4 of the new adds are top 25 caliber teams.  The other would be the best basketball school in the PAC.  

By the way, don’t think UCF is meh anymore.  I’m stunned myself but now that our offense has been let loose we’re one of only three schools in the country with both a top 15 defense and offense (Alabama and Michigan).  

And our Space Game uni’s are the best this year.

West coast bias?

LOLOLOLLOOOLOLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[utenation]

On 10/15/2022 at 10:07 AM, Jack Bauer said:

West coast bias?

LOLOLOLLOOOLOLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

And yet Woosh tries to pass himself off as some type of “expert” and “insider”.

 

Just shows this guy doesn’t know his head from his ass. 

[utenation]

On 10/15/2022 at 7:43 AM, NorCalCoug said:

Find me any ranking system that has the PAC ranked higher than the BigXII right now.  Massey doesn’t and it’s a pretty large gap - see below.  The difference between the two isn’t at the top of the conference.  You sound like the old BSU crew arguing WAC superiority over the MWC based on the merits of its top teams.  As far as the future goes, 2 of the 4 ranked PAC teams are out the door while only 1 of the ranked BigXII teams is.  Multiple incoming BigXII teams have been ranked recently.  Even your “embarrassing disaster” program Houston is currently rated higher than Cal, Arizona, Arizona St, and Stanford - that’s 40% of the future PAC  and that list grows when looking at “pretty meh” UCF.  I never said the gap was wide but the BigXII is better and deeper top to bottom.  I’m not sure it’s my conference glasses that are messing with my vision here.  
 

That said, I will still welcome you and Utah into the BigXII fold with open arms!  

Basketball isn’t even worth debating.

https://masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

 

Pretty funny this is your comeback. I gave plenty of numbers and facts to support my post. 
 

I also love how you try to prop up incoming B12  teams for future arguments. You know, the teams that haven’t played ONE SNAP in a power league but apparently there will be zero transition issues. 
 

BTW, It’s too bad none of your computer rankings mean shit today in determining who goes to the playoffs and plays for a National championship.  Maybe you are thinking the old BCS rankings are still being used? Lol. 

[Jack Bauer]

On 10/15/2022 at 10:13 AM, utenation said:

And yet Woosh tries to pass himself off as some type of “expert” and “insider”.

 

Just shows this guy doesn’t know his head from his ass. 

We just need to leave him alone while he manages all his high end properties in Utah

 

[NorCalCoug]

On 10/15/2022 at 12:26 PM, utenation said:

Pretty funny this is your comeback. I gave plenty of numbers and facts to support my post. 
 

I also love how you try to prop up incoming B12  teams for future arguments. You know, the teams that haven’t played ONE SNAP in a power league but apparently there will be zero transition issues. 
 

BTW, It’s too bad none of your computer rankings mean shit today in determining who goes to the playoffs and plays for a National championship.  Maybe you are thinking the old BCS rankings are still being used? Lol. 

You spouted computer polls for years on this board when it fit your narrative now they’re meaningless because they don’t….  

[Jack Bauer]

I wish we had the BCS computers back

I thought humans would be objective, but Gary Farta and the gang don't seem to treat everyone fairly. The computers never cared if you were a blue blood or how your past 5 seasons went.

[utenation]

On 10/15/2022 at 10:27 AM, NorCalCoug said:

You spouted computer polls for years on this board when it fit your narrative now they’re meaningless because they don’t….  

Well sure. I used them when they mattered because it was part of the decision making process. 
 

I challenge you to find any of my posts for the last 10 years that use computer rankings to support my claim. 
 

There might be something but I doubt it.