Conference Realignment thread

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 7/15/2022 at 2:52 PM, aztech said:

The only thing Liberty has going for them is they have the same first letter as laughable.

Boundless money and good football help to an extent as well, but get your point.

[Koji Vu]

On 7/15/2022 at 11:22 AM, UofMTigers said:

if the Pac adds any G5 programs it should be SDSU and Gonzaga...Hawai'i can always be scheduled OOC

It's interesting because Gonzaga is a basketball power and doesn't have a football team, and Hawaii's non-football sports are in the Big West. 

 

[818SUDSFan]

On 7/15/2022 at 11:58 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Boundless money and good football help to an extent as well, but get your point.

Hey!!! Just look at Liberty University!!! They're the new Oral Roberts!!!

[wolfpack1]

ESPN wants the late night football coverage they are going to have Pac-12 tv rights, what tier that is to see.

[Coog kev]

Look Who Comes in Dead Last re all this mess.  Lols, yet true.  For Now.

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[son of a gun]

So, is Hogwarts joining the Jedi Academy in the SEC, Big 10 or PAC now? And will that cause BYU to fall into Div2 football so they don't have to play against worse heretics than Wyoming, Utah, and USU?

[EvilPoke]

This whole situation just screams airport meeting.

Phil Knight is behind the scenes talking to TV execs trying to find the 12-16 teams that he can put with Oregon so that they are in the same county tv money-wise. Basically, the most lucrative of the Pac 12 and Big 12 with the remaining 6-10 teams scrambling.

I think everyone is just waiting for the Notre Dame situation to settle before making their next move.

 

[HawaiiMongoose]

On 7/16/2022 at 8:27 PM, wolfpack1 said:

ESPN wants the late night football coverage they are going to have Pac-12 tv rights, what tier that is to see.

If ESPN wants the late night football coverage and the current Pac-12 members hate late-night kickoffs, there’s an easy solution…

Just sayin’.

[RSF]

It is amusing that 7:30/8:00 pm local time is considered 'late night'.  What time do you think it is for many of the SEC/ACC/B10 primetime games is?

[HawaiiMongoose]

On 7/20/2022 at 9:26 AM, RSF said:

It is amusing that 7:30/8:00 pm local time is considered 'late night'.  What time do you think it is for many of the SEC/ACC/B10 primetime games is?

True.  I should have said “night” kickoffs.  Apparently most or all of the Pac-12 schools strongly prefer to play day games.

Of course in Hawaii night games are the norm.  It’s cooler, and frees up the day for the beach, hiking, taking kids to the playground, etc.  Kickoff times earlier than 6:00 p.m. always hurt UH attendance.

[SanDiegoPoke]

On 7/20/2022 at 3:36 PM, HawaiiMongoose said:

True.  I should have said “night” kickoffs.  Apparently most or all of the Pac-12 schools strongly prefer to play day games.

Of course in Hawaii night games are the norm.  It’s cooler, and frees up the day for the beach, hiking, taking kids to the playground, etc.  Kickoff times earlier than 6:00 p.m. always hurt UH attendance.

SDSU has a sweet spot at 6 PM local too. Earlier hurts, but so do the 7:30/8 PM kick offs.

[raadsel]

On 7/20/2022 at 2:26 PM, RSF said:

It is amusing that 7:30/8:00 pm local time is considered 'late night'.  What time do you think it is for many of the SEC/ACC/B10 primetime games is?

You are missing the fact that for almost half of the people living in the US, that 7:30 local game is starting at 10:30 -- and likely ending around 2 am. For roughly 30%, the game starts at 9:30 PM and likely ending around 1 am. That is why it is considered "late night."

The more I've thought about it, the more the reason Mandel has been claiming the PAC is worth so much -- the 7:30 local start times -- just doesn't really make sense. Yes (for the moment) they are likely the only conference that can have a late night game every week. OTOH, the Big 12 can put games in every time slot with little effort. They can easily do the noon time slot, since they have several EST schools (and it is still 11 in the CST, so those teams can easily play that slot). They can play in the 3:30 slot, or the 8 PM slot. And, they and even play in the 10:30 PM time slot -- though that likely will be limited to BYU home games. It seems to me that there is a huge advantage to having teams that can be slotted into most any of the slots during the day.

[RSF]

On 7/21/2022 at 12:49 PM, raadsel said:

You are missing the fact that for almost half of the people living in the US, that 7:30 local game is starting at 10:30 -- and likely ending around 2 am. For roughly 30%, the game starts at 9:30 PM and likely ending around 1 am. That is why it is considered "late night."

The more I've thought about it, the more the reason Mandel has been claiming the PAC is worth so much -- the 7:30 local start times -- just doesn't really make sense. Yes (for the moment) they are likely the only conference that can have a late night game every week. OTOH, the Big 12 can put games in every time slot with little effort. They can easily do the noon time slot, since they have several EST schools (and it is still 11 in the CST, so those teams can easily play that slot). They can play in the 3:30 slot, or the 8 PM slot. And, they and even play in the 10:30 PM time slot -- though that likely will be limited to BYU home games. It seems to me that there is a huge advantage to having teams that can be slotted into most any of the slots during the day.

I'm not missing that fact at all.  Those people are watching on TV.  And they're not the ones complaining about the 'late' kickoff.  It's the locals complaining about their 7:30/8pm kickoff.  Not a time slot the Big 12 can fill (easily).  But the Pac 12 can.

[RSF]

On 7/21/2022 at 5:55 AM, SanDiegoPoke said:

SDSU has a sweet spot at 6 PM local too. Earlier hurts, but so do the 7:30/8 PM kick offs.

The point I was making.

[Spaztecs]

On 7/21/2022 at 11:09 AM, RSF said:

I'm not missing that fact at all.  Those people are watching on TV.  And they're not the ones complaining about the 'late' kickoff.  It's the locals complaining about their 7:30/8pm kickoff.  Not a time slot the Big 12 can fill (easily).  But the Pac 12 can.

YBU has been filling that slot on  ESPN3 for decades !

[wolfpack1]

On 7/20/2022 at 12:21 PM, HawaiiMongoose said:

If ESPN wants the late night football coverage and the current Pac-12 members hate late-night kickoffs, there’s an easy solution…

Just sayin’.

When have contracts ever been about what the schools want with TV? The schools want the Money, and they will do anything the TV partners want for that money but they also want tv coverage to help with recruiting as well and those late games can help as well. 

[wolfpack1]

So I was reading some articles today and seems most people think it will be a quiet 30 Days or so, but could be a busy end of the year as schools decide what direction they want to go with the new rules for divisions and such people think will take effect next year. 

But did see that western conferences would look at expanding from FCS or other conferences and had no interests in Division II schools as none were really looked as ready to move up from Division I where there are several Division II schools back east looking to possibly move up to Division by the end of the year if they do

[AztecSU]

On 7/20/2022 at 12:26 PM, RSF said:

It is amusing that 7:30/8:00 pm local time is considered 'late night'.  What time do you think it is for many of the SEC/ACC/B10 primetime games is?

And what time is it in Bristol at 7:30 local in the PST?

[Koji Vu]

On 7/20/2022 at 12:21 PM, HawaiiMongoose said:

If ESPN wants the late night football coverage and the current Pac-12 members hate late-night kickoffs, there’s an easy solution…

Just sayin’.

Have the Pacific TZ Pac and MWC schools bond together to form their own conference - and then overcharge these freaking networks for late night access!

[RSF]

On 7/26/2022 at 2:16 PM, AztecSU said:

And what time is it in Bristol at 7:30 local in the PST?

Not that it matters in the least, but 10:30.  But then nobody in Bristol is attending the game so it's not an issue.  It's the locals that seem to have an issue with night games.  A lot of the country LOVES going to night games.  And on the east coast those TV prime time games kick off at...7:30/8pm locally.  But not in the West, for whatever reason.