Conference Realignment thread

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 4/11/2022 at 6:17 PM, wolfpack1 said:

TCU and Texas Tech are high on the list for some schools in Pac-12 for potential expansion, but it does seem that both conferences are standing by the gentlemen's agreement not to raid each other's conferences, however with Bowlsby leaving who knows now

I can’t tell if you’re being serious.  The PAC can’t raid the Big12 and if they did they already said they prefer Houston to both of those schools.  Houston is also the least desirable of the new adds so let’s just say that there’s no legs to what you’re proposing.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 4/11/2022 at 8:39 PM, NewGuy12 said:

What about Rice University? I mean they would fit the academic profile of the Pac 12 for sure. Plus they are located in Houston as well. I guess the only thing holding back is that their sports kind of sucks. Having Rice in the Pac 12 would make the league even better with academics 

Nor would it really make their athletics much worse per se.

[RSF]

On 4/11/2022 at 9:28 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

I can’t tell if you’re being serious.  The PAC can’t raid the Big12 and if they did they already said they prefer Houston to both of those schools.  Houston is also the least desirable of the new adds so let’s just say that there’s no legs to what you’re proposing.

Thats a good one...

[Gonzagafan2021]

On 4/11/2022 at 10:30 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Nor would it really make their athletics much worse per se.

True Rice really has baseball going for them. However seeing Stanford, USC, and Rice in the same conference would be interesting when it comes to academics.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 4/11/2022 at 10:45 PM, Gonzagafan2021 said:

True Rice really has baseball going for them. However seeing Stanford, USC, and Rice in the same conference would be interesting when it comes to academics.

Their baseball has fallen on hard times after they recently lost their long time coach to retirement.  They’ll hopefully recover.  They’re going to a solid baseball conference, it’ll be interesting to see if they become the Vandy of that conference.

[alum93]

On 4/11/2022 at 8:24 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Especially since nothing can happen to the ACC schools until 2036.

Anything can happen with the right amount of cash.  The SEC cherry picking Texas and Oklahoma is a perfect example.   Do i think the ACC will lose schools anytime soon?  No.

[SalinasSpartan]

On 4/11/2022 at 7:28 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

I can’t tell if you’re being serious.  The PAC can’t raid the Big12 and if they did they already said they prefer Houston to both of those schools.  Houston is also the least desirable of the new adds so let’s just say that there’s no legs to what you’re proposing.

Houston is probably the most desirable of the new adds for the Pac-12 because of the issues that conference has with BYU. I think the issues are dumb and BYU should be in the Pac-12, but whatever.
 

The “desirability” of Cincy and UCF is functionally zero, because the only way they go anywhere is in a reactionary situation after the ACC loses a school or two. And since according to you there is no way the ACC is losing a school for 15 years, even mentioning the “desirability” of Cincy and UCF is pointless.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 4/12/2022 at 12:14 PM, alum93 said:

Anything can happen with the right amount of cash.  The SEC cherry picking Texas and Oklahoma is a perfect example.   Do i think the ACC will lose schools anytime soon?  No.

Different circumstances.  Big12 didn’t have a GOR.  No one is getting touched in the ACC for 14 years.  That will probably be the next realignment.  Aside from some g5/basketball reshuffling major realignment is done through the next tv deals for major conferences.

[alum93]

On 4/12/2022 at 10:44 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Different circumstances.  Big12 didn’t have a GOR.  No one is getting touched in the ACC for 14 years.  That will probably be the next realignment.  Aside from some g5/basketball reshuffling major realignment is done through the next tv deals for major conferences.

In today's world, you think a GOR guarantees schools won't move?  Ok. 

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 4/12/2022 at 12:28 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

Houston is probably the most desirable of the new adds for the Pac-12 because of the issues that conference has with BYU. I think the issues are dumb and BYU should be in the Pac-12, but whatever.
 

The “desirability” of Cincy and UCF is functionally zero, because the only way they go anywhere is in a reactionary situation after the ACC loses a school or two. And since according to you there is no way the ACC is losing a school for 15 years, even mentioning the “desirability” of Cincy and UCF is pointless.

Houston’s not by any of the objective measures that were published and shared much earlier in this thread, they were a distant third in the studies posted.  There were two major ones that I shared.  The Knight Commission, which is what the big 12 and pac 12 used, and Navigate research, which espn used.  They are both in this thread, by all means take a read and educate yourself. One of them also stratifies byu’s value as well-whose upside doesn’t match what some believe here.  It’ll give you some new perspective reading things not from your echo chamber or from people you don’t want to believe like myself.  Spoiler, UCF is the future of college football…but there’s other neat stuff.  The studies also looked at some MWC schools like Boise, but don’t get discouraged by their findings for the Broncos.   SDSU is unsurprisingly a better candidate than Boise, for example.  
 

EDIT: It’s sad that people come back two weeks or more later and downvote before reading ahead to see its all true.  Leave the echo chamber once and awhile.  The read is really good beyond whatever narratives you follow. Page 136 in this thread with two good sources.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 4/12/2022 at 12:58 PM, alum93 said:

In today's world, you think a GOR guarantees schools won't move?  Ok. 

You’ve seen how difficult it’s been to get ou/t out of their contract two years early, all the money required to buy out the contract.  Now insert a stout GOR, and 14 years of buyouts that will have to happen, now consider that no ACC schools have the clout or money that ou/t have and you see the writing on the wall is pretty clear.    It’s not happening.  

[RSF]

On 4/12/2022 at 11:44 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Different circumstances.  Big12 didn’t have a GOR.  No one is getting touched in the ACC for 14 years.  That will probably be the next realignment.  Aside from some g5/basketball reshuffling major realignment is done through the next tv deals for major conferences.

Big 12 has a GOR.  That's why OUT is slow playing their departure.

 

And The Knight Commission has nothing to do with anything related to realignment, nor is it mentioned in this thread.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 4/12/2022 at 1:27 PM, RSF said:

Big 12 has a GOR.  That's why OUT is slow playing their departure.

My mistake on the poor wording, the circumstances are different because the Big12 will no longer have a GOR to protect them.  Thanks.

[AztecSU]

On 4/12/2022 at 10:32 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

My mistake on the poor wording, the circumstances are different because the Big12 will no longer have a GOR to protect them.  Thanks.

You have to wonder if their TV partner will ask the conf to have a new GOR come 2025 or risk less compensation?

[SalinasSpartan]

On 4/12/2022 at 9:58 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Houston’s not by any of the objective measures that were published and shared much earlier in this thread, they were a distant third in the studies posted.  There were two major ones that I shared.  The Knight Commission, which is what the big 12 and pac 12 used, and Navigate research, which espn used.  They are both in this thread, by all means take a read and educate yourself. One of them also stratifies byu’s value as well-whose upside doesn’t match what some believe here.  It’ll give you some new perspective reading things not from your echo chamber or from people you don’t want to believe like myself.  Spoiler, UCF is the future of college football…but there’s other neat stuff.  The studies also looked at some MWC schools like Boise, but don’t get discouraged by their findings for the Broncos.   SDSU is unsurprisingly a better candidate than Boise, for example.  

In the post you quoted (and apparently didn’t read) I specifically talked about the desirability for the Pac-12. Believe it or not, the Pac-12 has no interest in a school in Ohio or an inland Florida school. As I noted in the post, “desirability” is irrelevant for Cincy and UCF because the B1G and SEC would have no interest in them, and the ACC would only try to add them as a reactionary move if they are raided first; the ACC isn’t going to initiate anything.
 

You asserted that no ACC school is leaving before 2036, so I’d get comfy in the Big 12 if I were you, because if UCF does leave the Big 12 it won’t be for a very long time. 

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 4/12/2022 at 1:27 PM, RSF said:

Big 12 has a GOR.  That's why OUT is slow playing their departure.

 

And The Knight Commission has nothing to do with anything related to realignment, nor is it mentioned in this thread.

Yes it is.  You may be thinking of their equality study but they also have realignment data.

[Pelado]

On 4/12/2022 at 12:58 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Yes it is.  You may be thinking of their equality study but they also have realignment data.

I just spent some time on the Knight Commission website and don't see anything about realignment data.  Can you provide a link?

[Pelado]

On 4/12/2022 at 10:58 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Houston’s not by any of the objective measures that were published and shared much earlier in this thread, they were a distant third in the studies posted.  There were two major ones that I shared.  The Knight Commission, which is what the big 12 and pac 12 used, and Navigate research, which espn used.  They are both in this thread, by all means take a read and educate yourself. One of them also stratifies byu’s value as well-whose upside doesn’t match what some believe here.  It’ll give you some new perspective reading things not from your echo chamber or from people you don’t want to believe like myself.  Spoiler, UCF is the future of college football…but there’s other neat stuff.  The studies also looked at some MWC schools like Boise, but don’t get discouraged by their findings for the Broncos.   SDSU is unsurprisingly a better candidate than Boise, for example.  

I just did some quick searches on this thread and this website, and found no data posted from either the Knight Commission or Navigate Research.  Any links to these educational materials would be appreciated.

[since1670]

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/08/26/if-the-pac-12-were-to-expand-one-school-stands-as-the-clear-no-1-pick/

https://nvgt.com/blog/the-data-behind-a-hypothetical-pac-12-expansion/

https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/2021/07/26/if-pac-12-gets-4-big-12-schools-one-event-will-be-seen-as-the-turning-point/?utm_source=MSN&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=inline-related

https://tucson.com/sports/pac-12-hotline/pac-12-hotline-if-conference-decides-to-expand-one-school-makes-sense-and-its-not/article_7c599552-068a-11ec-a4cc-77ab25872948.html

[wolfpack1]

On 4/11/2022 at 3:58 PM, SAMO said:

there should be a lol after it considering how FOS it is...lol

its never going to happen, no matter what your favorite youtube dingbat says...lol

Tech was 2 days away from joining Pac-12 years ago, and yes they are still on some lists just like with TCU and Houston and these are well known. Will they move? Probably not however money does strange things to people. Now if Arizona and Arizona St were invited to the Big 12, which Big 12 has been interested in the past with both schools, that could create things.

However again we are talking in the maybes, and possibilites and who knows. But Tech almost went to Pac-12 a few years ago, TCU has been on their list and Houston has been on their list as well.