Gonzagafan2021 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 21 minutes ago, since1670 said: I believe the distribution from AAC to Wichita was 30 % of that of a full member. 70% was the number discussed for a football-only member. BTW, Wichita is not doing as well as it did in its previous conference. It currently is 0-4 / 9-7 and stands at 10th in the AAC. Of course, its previous coach, Marshall, went bonkers and was fired. But that may of been caused by pressure. It does show there is no guarantee Gonzaga would play at the same level in the MWC. Uconn did well before entering the AAC, struggled in the AAC, and is doing well in the Big East. Apparently, fit matters. I dont think we'll have an issue beating New Mexico, San Jose State, Neveda, Utah State, and Airforce. Maybe SDSU and Colorado state would give us some trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since1670 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Gonzagafan2021, you are probably right. Probably, that is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 2 hours ago, since1670 said: I believe the distribution from AAC to Wichita was 30 % of that of a full member. 70% was the number discussed for a football-only member. BTW, Wichita is not doing as well as it did in its previous conference. It currently is 0-4 / 9-7 and stands at 10th in the AAC. Of course, its previous coach, Marshall, went bonkers and was fired. But that may of been caused by pressure. It does show you should not assume Gonzaga would play at the same level in the MWC. Uconn did well before entering the AAC, struggled in the AAC, and is doing well in the Big East. Apparently, fit matters. So that’d work out to 1.2 million in the MWC. 300k more than Gonzaga gets from the WCC when you combine TV money and tourney credits. I don’t disagree that fit matters. But I think this narrative that the MWC couldn’t afford to add Gonzaga is just silly. If 30% is that standard, then Gonzaga already comes out ahead with that. Is it a raise like Wichita got going to the AAC? No. But we are talking a 50ish% bump in revenue. That’s a decent raise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 5 hours ago, NorCalCoug said: The WCC has already steps to at least dampen the impact with conference scheduling. Gonzaga won’t play bottom tier teams more than once in conference play. The conference has bent over backwards to accommodate the concerns of Gonzaga both from a financial and SOS perspective. The MWC wouldn’t offer the same concessions. I was actually talking about if there was a scheduling agreement between Gonzaga and MWC. I told people two years ago Gonzaga was just using MWC to get a better deal from WCC and had no real interest in MWC unless WCC told them don't let the butt hit you on the way out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 3 hours ago, nvspuds said: I believe Gonzaga backed out because they were just using the MW to get a better deal with the WCC.. I don't think there was ever the intention of Gonzaga to join the MWC they were just using MWC and Hair. WCC was going to do whatever they could to keep Gonzaga in their conference 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since1670 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the credits are accumulative. NCAAT credits are paid over a six year window. If Gonzaga won 1 NCAAT game in 2021, that gives their conference a payment for 1 credit over each year of the six year window. Then, if they play in 1 game in 2022, the conference receives payments for 2 credit over a five year window. With the many games played in the NCAAT by Gonzaga, that can accumulate to a lot of money. March Madness Daily: How Much is an NCAA Tournament Win Worth? March 19, 2021 10:30am https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college-sports/2021/march-madness-ncaa-tournament-win-value-units-1234625231/ $14.4 million for 8 units over 6 years. https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/03/20/saturday-night-one-pac-12-unbeaten-through-first-round-in-range-of-record-breaking-ncaa-cash-haul/ https://www.ncaa.org/about/where-does-money-go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 52 minutes ago, since1670 said: Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the credits are accumulative. NCAAT credits are paid over a six year window. If Gonzaga won 1 NCAAT game in 2021, that gives their conference a payment for 1 credit over each year of the six year window. Then, if they play in 1 game in 2022, the conference receives payments for 2 credit over a five year window. With the many games played in the NCAAT by Gonzaga, that can accumulate to a lot of money. March Madness Daily: How Much is an NCAA Tournament Win Worth? March 19, 2021 10:30am https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college-sports/2021/march-madness-ncaa-tournament-win-value-units-1234625231/ $14.4 million for 8 units over 6 years. https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/03/20/saturday-night-one-pac-12-unbeaten-through-first-round-in-range-of-record-breaking-ncaa-cash-haul/ https://www.ncaa.org/about/where-does-money-go The 6 year window is a rolling one. The each 2021 credit would be paid over 6 years from 2022-2027. A 2022 credit will be paid from 2023-2028. Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since1670 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 RSF, that is what I was trying say. What is significant is Gonzaga is collecting money for many NCAAT credits. It is more than a full MWC member receives from the MWC contract. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCalCoug Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, RSF said: The 6 year window is a rolling one. The each 2021 credit would be paid over 6 years from 2022-2027. A 2022 credit will be paid from 2023-2028. Yep, each credit is a payout of $220K - $250K each of those 6 years. And a team earns a credit for each game played in the Tournament - a a deep run to the Final 4 is 5 credits. That’s why the notion that Gonzaga only gets a cumulative few hundred thousand from their earned credits in the WCC is laughable. Just last year’s deep run pays the WCC >$1M annually for the next 6 years and Gonzaga is getting a disproportionate share of that. When you stack that with the credits earned from the previous several years it’s not chump change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 11 hours ago, wolfpack1 said: I don't think there was ever the intention of Gonzaga to join the MWC they were just using MWC and Hair. WCC was going to do whatever they could to keep Gonzaga in their conference I also don’t think there was serious enough desire from the MWC to bring Gonzaga in. It’s pretty clear now that the MWC could afford to bring them in, if they really wanted to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 21 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said: Yep, each credit is a payout of $220K - $250K each of those 6 years. And a team earns a credit for each game played in the Tournament - a a deep run to the Final 4 is 5 credits. That’s why the notion that Gonzaga only gets a cumulative few hundred thousand from their earned credits in the WCC is laughable. Just last year’s deep run pays the WCC >$1M annually for the next 6 years and Gonzaga is getting a disproportionate share of that. When you stack that with the credits earned from the previous several years it’s not chump change. The Zags pretty much write their own paycheck each year and would be successful in any P5 conference. That said and purely for selfish reasons, I would love to see them play in the MWC each week. Hell, they are already up there with UCLA and AZ and far more consistent the last 20 years than those teams. With BYU leaving the WCC, I think some luster came off the WCC.. There's some good teams in the WCC but every time I turn on a WCC game, I feel like I'm watching the state high school playoffs with those shitty gyms. The numbers probably don't work and they would bend the MWC over the barrel on more money but I would love to seem them play SDSU, CSU, Boise, USU etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 31 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said: Yep, each credit is a payout of $220K - $250K each of those 6 years. And a team earns a credit for each game played in the Tournament - a a deep run to the Final 4 is 5 credits. That’s why the notion that Gonzaga only gets a cumulative few hundred thousand from their earned credits in the WCC is laughable. Just last year’s deep run pays the WCC >$1M annually for the next 6 years and Gonzaga is getting a disproportionate share of that. When you stack that with the credits earned from the previous several years it’s not chump change. The payout was posted in the thread. Less then 1 million for TV money and credits combined; 22.5% of a full MWC payout of just TV money. Unless the WCC is committing fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, since1670 said: RSF, that is what I was trying say. What is significant is Gonzaga is collecting money for many NCAAT credits. It is more than a full MWC member receives from the MWC contract. Gonzaga to the MWC doesn't make sense...for either party. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCalCoug Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 18 minutes ago, SalinasSpartan said: The payout was posted in the thread. Less then 1 million for TV money and credits combined; 22.5% of a full MWC payout of just TV money. Unless the WCC is committing fraud. Sure, if you believe that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said: Sure, if you believe that. If the Zags were to move to the MWC, they aren't coming for a normal paycheck like the rest of the teams. They'd want a nice pay raise and more than any other school in the MWC. Which is why the numbers probably don't jive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 2 hours ago, NorCalCoug said: Sure, if you believe that. So the WCC is committing fraud? Well, ok then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCalCoug Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, SalinasSpartan said: So the WCC is committing fraud? Well, ok then. Yep, guess so…. like you definitively extract what you’re saying from that document. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 minute ago, NorCalCoug said: Yep, guess so…. like you definitively extract what you’re saying from that document. The document says what it says, so I’m not really sure what you want me to say? Like, yea, I get it, everybody hates Hair so OF COURSE everybody just uncritically accepts that dumb dumb hair just got played by Galaxy-brain Gonzaga. Great. I’m just going to go ahead and see that Gonzaga gets X from the WWC, which is less then they would get from the MWC if the MWC gave them a deal where they got a 30% share of the TV money. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecSU Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 MWC for Gonzaga * Worse Travel * Not a league of similar private schools * doesn't play D1 football * Maybe more money * Slightly better comp Idk, I wouldn't come if I was Gonzaga, we don't offer enough. Money aside, not having FB would make them like Hawaii...and they can see how they've been treated by the MW... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdgaucho Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 32 minutes ago, AztecSU said: MWC for Gonzaga * Worse Travel * Not a league of similar private schools * doesn't play D1 football * Maybe more money * Slightly better comp Idk, I wouldn't come if I was Gonzaga, we don't offer enough. Money aside, not having FB would make them like Hawaii...and they can see how they've been treated by the MW... A MWC with Gonzaga would mean, if y'all chose it, divisions and fewer league games (16). Although with BYU leaving, WCC will have the same amount of league games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...