Conference Realignment thread

[Fowl]

10 hours ago, NewGuy12 said:

Oh that's unfortunate. I mean in the end I think there will be a super conference and one of the power conferences will disband and the leftovers from that specific conference would have top drop down. I would bet Washington State or Oregon State.

The B1G wants UVA, UNC, Duke, and GA Tech.  They are prepared to wait out the GOR.  They have no interest in Kansas or Iowa St.  I have a really good source on this,  Kansas and Iowa St will never be in the big 10 unless some radical things happen.   

[Spaztecs]

13 hours ago, 818SUDSFan said:

If you're saying you think SDSU would turn down admission to the B12 if the B12 didn't also offer Fresno State because the rivalry between the schools is that important to SDSU fans, you're really out of touch.

 

I'll add that Fresno has been disappointing in showing zero inclination to get out of the Moribund West. Indeed, rumor had it that when SDSU and Boise each had one foot out the door a decade ago and were encouraging the nBE to create a western division, the nBE approached you guys about similarly taking your football program east and placing your Olys in the Big West and your administration reacted by not just walking but sprinting away from the offer for fear of the wrath of big, bad Craig Thompson.

SDSU has put Fresno in the rearview mirror three times in the last 40+ years. They will do it again.

[StanfordAggie]

8 hours ago, Fowl said:

The B1G wants UVA, UNC, Duke, and GA Tech.  They are prepared to wait out the GOR.  They have no interest in Kansas or Iowa St.  I have a really good source on this,  Kansas and Iowa St will never be in the big 10 unless some radical things happen.   

Interesting. I have it on pretty good authority that the B1G at least put out feelers to UVA and UNC in the last round of realignment, and UNC gave some very serious thought to accepting their offer. (I know there was a huge backlash from fans and donors about a potential move to the B1G. I think it might have happened if the fans and boosters had supported the idea.) I had heard that Delaney's wet dream was to grab UVA, UNC, Ga. Tech, and Florida. Florida is probably a pipe dream, but they might at least consider it given the B1G's academic reputation. And it would be a major coup to steal one of the SEC's marquee programs. I had also heard that the B1G didn't really want Duke but UNC was refusing to leave the ACC without Duke, so they were willing to invite Duke as well if that is what it took to get UNC to make the move. But who knows? One way or another, I agree that further B1G expansion is very unlikely until the ACC's GOR expires.

[Spaztecs]

13 hours ago, nvspuds said:

I still think SDSU and Boise made a massive mistake coming back to the MW...Had they toughed it out they would be in the Big 12 already..

Cest la vie...

No, SUDS would not. The upper third of the AAC has been better than the MW since Divisional Play. The Evidence is simple, Four NY6 Bids to One. Better Revenue Bowl Games. 

I am dubious the 2015/2016 Aztecs would have won a "Western Division".

[Spaztecs]

13 hours ago, sactowndog said:

Nah, I’m not that dumb.   But I do think you would be more successful if we both went then if you went alone 

For that to happen, CSU-Fresno will have to step up their Athletic Budget and Facility upgrades.

Also, Fresno will have to become a Large Metro.

[Spaztecs]

12 hours ago, SalinasSpartan said:

Two different questions.
 

(1) The MWC and AAC cannot currently poach each other’s schools because it wouldn’t make financial sense for any of the schools. 
 

(2) I have no idea what would happen if Boise leaves. 

The Mountain Least when Boise leaves:

[Wyobraska]

9 hours ago, Fowl said:

The B1G wants UVA, UNC, Duke, and GA Tech.  They are prepared to wait out the GOR.  They have no interest in Kansas or Iowa St.  I have a really good source on this,  Kansas and Iowa St will never be in the big 10 unless some radical things happen.   

From a football perspective those moves are +++++ing stupid and does nothing for the B1G but I get there is. Slot more at play than just football.  

[SDSUfan]

9 hours ago, Fowl said:

The B1G wants UVA, UNC, Duke, and GA Tech.  They are prepared to wait out the GOR.  They have no interest in Kansas or Iowa St.  I have a really good source on this,  Kansas and Iowa St will never be in the big 10 unless some radical things happen.   

Is this the same source that told you the Aztecs would lose out to Nevada, UNLV and Boise?

Just trying to gauge the quality of your sources......

[Spaztecs]

12 hours ago, UofMTigers said:

money.

it doesn't make sense to pay an exit and entrance fee just for a nominal change in money or competition 

The MW is two steps above whatever Conference they are in. Texas State would be UNLV in FB and an RPI anchor in BB.

[sactowndog]

40 minutes ago, Spaztecs said:

SDSU has put Fresno in the rearview mirror three times in the last 40+ years. They will do it again.

True and a number of those times you sucked.  SDSU was good when Fresno/SDSU were in the WAC as we tied for the WAC Championship.   

The MWC split and SDSU was on an Island and sucked.   Most of the times you have done well you haven’t been on a virtual Island.   This point isn’t surprising as many teams on an Island do poorly.   West Virginia hasn’t won squat.  Cinci joining will help them.  UCF will be hurt being alone in the SE.  

[Spaztecs]

12 hours ago, UofMTigers said:

the AAC without Cincy, UCF, and Houston is very meh'

having Navy football is cool, and having WSU for hoops is cool...but outside that it feels like CUSA 6.0 or something

I was fine with adding UAB and FAU but they should have stopped there...I'm not a fan of adding Charlotte, UTSA, North Texas.

UTSA has a bright future.

How is the AAC Board rolling with the fact that Nine of the AAC current and future members have historical losing records ? And that four of them are in the Bottom 16 ?

If they were coming to the MW, I would puke.

[Spaztecs]

9 hours ago, Fowl said:

The B1G wants UVA, UNC, Duke, and GA Tech.  They are prepared to wait out the GOR.  They have no interest in Kansas or Iowa St.  I have a really good source on this,  Kansas and Iowa St will never be in the big 10 unless some radical things happen.   

What caused Kansas to the B1G to fall through ?

[fanhood]

13 hours ago, UofMTigers said:

the AAC without Cincy, UCF, and Houston is very meh'

having Navy football is cool, and having WSU for hoops is cool...but outside that it feels like CUSA 6.0 or something

I was fine with adding UAB and FAU but they should have stopped there...I'm not a fan of adding Charlotte, UTSA, North Texas.

Yea, those additions bloated the conference, and added programs that bring little more than a warm body in the event that more teams are lost. 

 

I would have simply added UAB, and UTSA, then stopped.

[FresnoFacts]

 

30 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

True and a number of those times you sucked.  SDSU was good when Fresno/SDSU were in the WAC as we tied for the WAC Championship.   

The MWC split and SDSU was on an Island and sucked.   Most of the times you have done well you haven’t been on a virtual Island.   This point isn’t surprising as many teams on an Island do poorly.   West Virginia hasn’t won squat.  Cinci joining will help them.  UCF will be hurt being alone in the SE.  

 

SDSU does perform better when it is in the same conference as Fresno.

1978-1991 Different Conferences - SDSU win percentage .466

1992 - 1998 Same Conference - SDSU win percentage .531

1999 - 2011 Different Conferences - SDSU win percentage .387

2012 - 2021 (games to date) Same Conference - SDSU win percentage .698

[nvspuds]

1 hour ago, Spaztecs said:

No, SUDS would not. The upper third of the AAC has been better than the MW since Divisional Play. The Evidence is simple, Four NY6 Bids to One. Better Revenue Bowl Games. 

I am dubious the 2015/2016 Aztecs would have won a "Western Division".

I was being facetious about the Big 12 thing..However, I do believe you would be far happier in the AAC than the MW..Boise is always pissed off so they wouldn't be happier but maybe 1 percent less pissed off..Nah, who am I kidding..

[UofMTigers]

11 hours ago, GoState99755 said:

 

UTSA is a solid addition.  Not awesome, but solid.

 

UTSA hoops has a long way to go.

[UofMTigers]

1 hour ago, Spaztecs said:

How is the AAC Board rolling with the fact that Nine of the AAC current and future members have historical losing records ? And that four of them are in the Bottom 16 ?

I don't know you should ask em...I had a football game to go attend.

[Spaztecs]

33 minutes ago, FresnoFacts said:

 

 

SDSU does perform better when it is in the same conference as Fresno.

1978-1991 Different Conferences - SDSU win percentage .466

1992 - 1998 Same Conference - SDSU win percentage .531

1999 - 2011 Different Conferences - SDSU win percentage .387

2012 - 2021 (games to date) Same Conference - SDSU win percentage .698

Those are compelling numbers.

They were also in the SCJCC, the CCAA, and PCAA together. SDSU FB mostly sucked until Don Coryell came along.

However, it is still coincidental.

[RSF]

10 hours ago, Fowl said:

The B1G wants UVA, UNC, Duke, and GA Tech.  They are prepared to wait out the GOR.  They have no interest in Kansas or Iowa St.  I have a really good source on this,  Kansas and Iowa St will never be in the big 10 unless some radical things happen.   

Yup...pretty much an open secret that the B10 was looking South going back to when Delany was B10 Grand Poobah - they would have preferred UT but the Horns wanted to bring along OU, but there was little interest in the Sooners.

[Fowl]

46 minutes ago, Spaztecs said:

What caused Kansas to the B1G to fall through ?

It was never going to happen.  Kansas has several things going against it and just two redeemable features (basketball and AAU).  Population, population growth, and football are huge negatives.