wolfpack1 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, Spaztecs said: Well that is why I said there were a lot of IF's in there LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 hours ago, MeanGreenTexan said: There are many of us still holding out for this kind of scenario. And I think you'd be right. Hoping the statement from Thompson that was published about standing pat is a smokescreen & show of strength (y'all would still be the best G5 without making any moves, so it's not a lie), and maybe negotiations are continuing under the radar. I think the AAC leaking this out there would force the MWC's hand to either make the offers or not... UNT/UTSA/Rice have to think, a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. We can't afford to wait around for the MWC and let the AAC move on without us. If the MWC offer doesn't come (not sounding good), we'll take the AAC move-up as a nice consolation prize. It's way better than staying in C-USA. Poor LATech, they've done everything right, they're just stuck in the middle of nowhere. But for geography with the Olys, I would love to see LaTech FB in the MW. 1 Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanDiegoPoke Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, Spaztecs said: Yes, the MTN was a disaster. But, at least they tried. The MTN's biggest value market was SLC and, iirc, they couldn't get it onto the primary cable carrier here. I had the MTN in OC and loved it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueStout Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 16 hours ago, RSF said: So the question becomes 'How is PT Aresco going to spin this?' "North Texas has bass fishing available to tailgaters" ftfy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 hours ago, JPCWBYS said: "Before the AAC news broke, sources told the Action Network that officials at North Texas, Rice, UTSA and UTEP had contacted the Mountain West about joining the conference. North Texas and Rice had the most serious discussions, but ultimately, the Mountain West decided to remain at 12 schools, sources said." Brett McMurphy article implies the MW decided to stay at 12 before these schools decided on AAC. https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/aac-to-add-six-schools-conference-usa-college-football-realignment-charlotte-fau-north-texas-rice-uab-utsa HA ! The C-USA sure has some chutzpah. From the article: Quote “We will be much better without those six schools,” a C-USA source said. “The AAC will see their College Football Playoff rankings drop in the Group of Five. We have a chance to leapfrog them. This is a good day for C-USA.” 2 Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 hours ago, SDSUfan said: SMU, because of their wealth, academics and location have multiple potential options. I don't see them in the league by the time all of this settles down. Option 1A: I should think that if the Pac is going to expand, there are few schools in the vicinity that are an institutional match for the conference. SMU would be very high, if not at the top of that list Option 1B: If the B12 expands, their old SWC mates would be high on that list Option C: Seek an invite to the MWC to at the very least, escape the dregs of the AAC. Here's my self-serving delusional prediction for 2024/25: SMU and SDSU to the Pac Boise/Memphis to the B12 Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Might be a more mangeable conference now however C-USA still isn't stable but don't know how much lower their payouts could go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 hours ago, BoiseStateOfMind said: Again, their AD was on the expansion committee that signed off on all these moves. They're not going to "flee the dregs of the AAC" when they just invited those dregs to the AAC. I'm not sure the Big 12 comes calling for SMU. Right now, it seems like they're just waiting out Texas and OU so they can add two more schools (possibly us and Memphis) and be done with it. And would all the Texas schools already in the conference really want to add yet another in-state competitor to recruit against? Even Houston was going to be left out until Fertitta opened his wallet. I can't see TCU being in favor of adding SMU. I would be shocked if they ever got a PAC invite. I have a hard time imagining that the snobs at Stanford and Cal would ever want to share a conference with SMU. It's UCLA and USC who are opposed. UCLA is the only School in the UC system that does not have Doctorates arrangements with SDSU. I wonder why ? Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aslowhiteguy Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 22 minutes ago, Spaztecs said: Wrong. The AAC cock-blocked the MW out of Texas, sans UTEP which really isn't Texas in terms of FB viewership or recruiting, and who cares Texas State. They added garbage that wouldn't help us a bit. If they truly did that to block the MW, Thompson and the school presidents are probably still laughing. We are the best G5 without doing a thing. We don't need anymore bottom feeders, no matter what state or city they come from. 6 Quote "Don't underestimate Joe Biden's ability to F@*k things up." Barack Obama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, wolfpack1 said: Well that is why I said there were a lot of IF's in there LOL It was more wtf because of all the moving parts. It was confusing and humorous. It reminded me of 20th century German military planning. Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 18 minutes ago, SanDiegoPoke said: I had the MTN in OC and loved it. Lucky you. Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDSUfan Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 47 minutes ago, Aslowhiteguy said: The most likely option, IMO, is the PAC stays at 12 and so does the B12. If that is true, the AAC just added a bunch of garbage for no apparent reason. If Aresco pushed for those TX schools to shut out the MW, then he just got punked by the MW. I don't think 12 is sustainable with the B10 at 14, the ACC at 15, SEC at 16 and B12 most likely at 14 when it's all over. The Pac will be forced to add. Those add will need to be somewhat regional and somewhat culturally/academically aligned. SMU will be in play for both the B12 and Pac IMO. But who knows.... 1 Quote “Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.” -Richard Feynman "When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators." -P.J. O’Rourke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 SMU is counting on that Big 12 invite which I don't see coming. Never heard SMU in the same discussion as Pac-12 for expansion, so I think they might be pretty much stuck. With AAC taking those teams, which I think they made a panic move instead of a sound move, it really has possibly put a stop to expansion unless Sun Belt or MAC decide to move on something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, SDSUfan said: I don't think 12 is sustainable with the B10 at 14, the ACC at 15, SEC at 16 and B12 most likely at 14 when it's all over. The Pac will be forced to add. Those add will need to be somewhat regional and somewhat culturally/academically aligned. SMU will be in play for both the B12 and Pac IMO. But who knows.... Sounds more and more that B12 isn't going to expand for some time unless they are raiding by someone. ACC is fine where they are at, SEC is happy, so that leaves B10 and P12. If B10 picks schools off it will be from B12 I think, which will then maybe take Memphis and Boise. MAYBE. Pretty much we could see the P5 where they are at now stay that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoiseStateOfMind Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, Spaztecs said: It's UCLA and USC who are opposed. UCLA is the only School in the UC system that does not have Doctorates arrangements with SDSU. I wonder why ? I was talking about SMU, but you make a good point about SDSU as well. Either way, the PAC will probably never do anything to improve themselves unless the California schools get over themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, Spaztecs said: It was more wtf because of all the moving parts. It was confusing and humorous. It reminded me of 20th century German military planning. If I was Sun Belt, maybe kick the tires right now about possibly expanding just to gauge reaction. Doesn't really hurt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aslowhiteguy Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, wolfpack1 said: Sounds more and more that B12 isn't going to expand for some time unless they are raiding by someone. ACC is fine where they are at, SEC is happy, so that leaves B10 and P12. If B10 picks schools off it will be from B12 I think, which will then maybe take Memphis and Boise. MAYBE. Pretty much we could see the P5 where they are at now stay that way That's how I see it too. The BIG, PAC & ACC all looked at the B12 leftovers and took calls from their AD's. No one wanted any of the leftovers. They aren't going to be anymore attractive in 2023-2025. Unless the Sun Belt grabs some CUSA teams and/or CUSA back fills, this round of expansion is over and we may not see another round for 10 years or more. Too bad. Expansion threads are fun. The next round of speculation will be over which coaches will be fired or promoted and who will be replacing them. Those threads are entertaining as well. Quote "Don't underestimate Joe Biden's ability to F@*k things up." Barack Obama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aslowhiteguy Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, SDSUfan said: I don't think 12 is sustainable with the B10 at 14, the ACC at 15, SEC at 16 and B12 most likely at 14 when it's all over. The Pac will be forced to add. Those add will need to be somewhat regional and somewhat culturally/academically aligned. SMU will be in play for both the B12 and Pac IMO. But who knows.... Why isn't 12 sustainable? The Baylor AD, who is the head of the B12 expansion committee said 14 isn't really workable and seemed to suggest they will stay at 12, just like the PAC. They won't likely go to 16 unless their media partners ask them to. That's probably unlikely as there aren't 4 (or any) G5 schools that help them and they aren't poaching any P5 schools. IMO, it's kind of up to the PAC. If they don't make a move the B12 won't either. 1 Quote "Don't underestimate Joe Biden's ability to F@*k things up." Barack Obama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Aslowhiteguy said: That's how I see it too. The BIG, PAC & ACC all looked at the B12 leftovers and took calls from their AD's. No one wanted any of the leftovers. They aren't going to be anymore attractive in 2023-2025. Unless the Sun Belt grabs some CUSA teams and/or CUSA back fills, this round of expansion is over and we may not see another round for 10 years or more. Too bad. Expansion threads are fun. The next round of speculation will be over which coaches will be fired or promoted and who will be replacing them. Those threads are entertaining as well. There are other conferences that are moving around and such, Atlantic sun is expanding, MVC is expanding, Southland is losing schools, WAC might have eyes on becoming FCS conference for football, maybe there is other expansion discussions as well we don't know about which could trickle in. But then another thought, maybe AAC took those schools thinking they are going to lose more so they are backfilling now? I have no clue but AAC by taking those teams, like I said before, pretty much shuts off AFA, CSU, SDSU and Boise St from moving unless they go independent or B12 if you are Boise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Aslowhiteguy said: Why isn't 12 sustainable? The Baylor AD, who is the head of the B12 expansion committee said 14 isn't really workable and seemed to suggest they will stay at 12, just like the PAC. They won't likely go to 16 unless their media partners ask them to. That's probably unlikely as there aren't 4 (or any) G5 schools that help them and they aren't poaching any P5 schools. IMO, it's kind of up to the PAC. If they don't make a move the B12 won't either. I think that is what killed C-USA is having such a big conference and laid out as they had a lot of schools with different issues going on. But then again when the playoff expansion gets hammered out, that could possibly add new eyes to things. I mean I read an article about speculation on the playoff format, which don't know is true but that is why they call it a rumor, that the winners of all the conferences will be in it as it will be a 12 team playoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...