Chalsean Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, nvspuds said: Could you provide a condensed Reader's Digest version? I don't want to give up 20 minutes if the conclusion is it is inevitable Boise is going to the Big 12. We have heard that prediction before.. Bunch of nothing new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvspuds Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, BSUFiend said: Bunch of nothing new But it is one post closer to 300 which is a worthy goal.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Really that link is also nothing new being discussed either. It just sounds as the same old same old. Almost like everyone is doing the dance and waiting for the first person to stop And I command the USTA and UNT fans for pushing but again yes they want to get into Texas but ehh don't really have a team there to draw your attention. Maybe basketball schools the way to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztecsrule72001 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 IMO if I had to rank most compelling Texas teams (excluding those in the P5 obviously): 1. SMU 2. UNT 3. Rice 4. UTSA 5. Texas St. 6. UTEP So unless SMU is looking to jump ship I think the 2 best additions would be UNT and Rice (probably in the minority on that one) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobraska Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, aztecsrule72001 said: IMO if I had to rank most compelling Texas teams (excluding those in the P5 obviously): 1. SMU 2. UNT 3. Rice 4. UTSA 5. Texas St. 6. UTEP So unless SMU is looking to jump ship I think the 2 best additions would be UNT and Rice (probably in the minority on that one) Why Rice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Just now, Wyobraska said: Why Rice? Their marching band. The MOB is greatness... Quote In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztecsrule72001 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, Wyobraska said: Why Rice? because if we're going to take a risk on a school's potential I'd rather take that shot with Rice. Great Academics, Houston market/recruiting, massive endowment. I just like the potential there more than UTSA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornontheblue Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, aztecsrule72001 said: because if we're going to take a risk on a school's potential I'd rather take that shot with Rice. Great Academics, Houston market/recruiting, massive endowment. I just like the potential there more than UTSA. SMU checks all those boxes and has a much better product on the field 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztecsrule72001 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 1 minute ago, bornontheblue said: SMU checks all those boxes and has a much better product on the field Right, which is why I had them at #1 but I'm not sure they'd want to leave the AAC for the MWC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornontheblue Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Just now, aztecsrule72001 said: Right, which is why I had them at #1 but I'm not sure they'd want to leave the AAC. I’m joining the conversation late here. Carry on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornsilverandblue Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 3 hours ago, nvspuds said: I have no problem with firing Thompson..I am not sure he is the all powerful dictator you believe him to be..However, maybe a new person would have some new ideas.. I see the biggest problem as the dearth of schools in the Pst and Mst zones available..I also think the there has been a lot of turnover in the presidents.. My solution is to encourage the schools who are unhappy to leave and build back with schools who want to be here.. Like the WAC 10 before it, the current MWC just doesn't work all that well.. I don’t share your fatalism. I do believe next moves made will have a big impact. Quote Is it fitting or irony that possibly the most versatile word in the English language is also of unknown origin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvspuds Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 19 minutes ago, bornsilverandblue said: I don’t share your fatalism. I do believe next moves made will have a big impact. I am not fatalistic in the sense that I think the MW will survive, I think it will in some form.. I am not sure that adding schools solves the problem of MW schools wishing to leave.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobraska Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, nvspuds said: I am not fatalistic in the sense that I think the MW will survive, I think it will in some form.. I am not sure that adding schools solves the problem of MW schools wishing to leave.. You're never going to keep schools from moving to the P5. It will never happen. Aside from that, they have shown they aren't going anywhere. Adding schools now could potentially give them time to build up to a MW level team in time. If UNT and say UTSA move to the MW and it goes to 14, it could give them time to build facilities and improve their budgets (although UNTs might be MW level, I'm not sure). Then if SDSU and Boise leave in 8 years or whenever, then you are back to 12 and hopefully by then those new teams are strong members. There is an argument for that scenario. There is an argument against it too, but your argument seems kind of vague. Can you expand on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvspuds Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Wyobraska said: You're never going to keep schools from moving to the P5. It will never happen. Aside from that, they have shown they aren't going anywhere. Adding schools now could potentially give them time to build up to a MW level team in time. If UNT and say UTSA move to the MW and it goes to 14, it could give them time to build facilities and improve their budgets (although UNTs might be MW level, I'm not sure). Then if SDSU and Boise leave in 8 years or whenever, then you are back to 12 and hopefully by then those new teams are strong members. There is an argument for that scenario. There is an argument against it too, but your argument seems kind of vague. Can you expand on it? I like the idea of a smaller conference of 9 schools..10 if you want to add a olympic only to balance out Hawaii. The MW had success with just 8. small isn't always bad However, the idea now seems to be moving towards big conferences of more than 12..That may be what happens.. Will CBS/Fox up the payouts to cover the new adds..That would seem to be the key question that would need to be answered before any expansion.. If the pie gets cut two more ways, will that lead to greater unity? I am not against expansion per se but I am not sure the MW can make it work.. Of course, the conference may decide to add now just as a hedge because they believe schools will be leaving soon.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, nvspuds said: I am not fatalistic in the sense that I think the MW will survive, I think it will in some form.. I am not sure that adding schools solves the problem of MW schools wishing to leave.. Every single school in any G5 conference wants a p5 invite and to leave their conference. Not just a MWC problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, nvspuds said: I like the idea of a smaller conference of 9 schools..10 if you want to add a olympic only to balance out Hawaii. The MW had success with just 8. small isn't always bad However, the idea now seems to be moving towards big conferences of more than 12..That may be what happens.. Will CBS/Fox up the payouts to cover the new adds..That would seem to be the key question that would need to be answered before any expansion.. If the pie gets cut two more ways, will that lead to greater unity? I am not against expansion per se but I am not sure the MW can make it work.. Of course, the conference may decide to add now just as a hedge because they believe schools will be leaving soon.. I can tell you if you shrink to 8 the TV deal will be cut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvspuds Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Billings said: I can tell you if you shrink to 8 the TV deal will be cut That is true..But it won't be very good if top schools leave anyway.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvspuds Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, Billings said: Every single school in any G5 conference wants a p5 invite and to leave their conference. Not just a MWC problem CSU and AFA were sniffing around the AAC..Not a P5 last I looked.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, nvspuds said: CSU and AFA were sniffing around the AAC..Not a P5 last I looked.. True but it was no dice when they did their homework, as the AAC is not any better. No point going anywhere right now unless it is a P5 for MWC or AAC schools. There are no other options for anyone in the MWC or AAC right now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvspuds Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Just now, Billings said: True but it was no dice when they did their homework, as the AAC is not any better. No point going anywhere right now unless it is a P5 for MWC or AAC schools. There are no other options for anyone in the MWC or AAC right now. I don't know of course but it may have come down to whether the AAC would have paid their exit fees to the MW.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...