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7 minutes ago, Herdbot said:

Fargo is on the Minnesota border and most aluni are from Minnesota. Our radio network goes all the way to Minneapolis for a reason. That's where our fan base is. We had 38,000 show up for a cupcake opponent in Minneapolis at the Twins Stadium. Why do you think the Minnesota Vikings are hosting a game in 3 years?

So if NDSU delivers Fargo, the entire state of North Dakota, and a substantial piece of the Minnesota market, then why aren't the national networks clamoring to get all their games?

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1 minute ago, RSF said:

Because they have a new building and will put any event on they can to pay it off.  Believe me I know - Jerry Jones runs all kinds of shit thru at&t stadium just a few minutes from my house.

 

And again...quit lying about Target Field.  

They are paying both teams a guarantee to play at US Bank Stadium. If they don't sell enough tickets, they will lose money.

 

Target Field

https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/401127277

The attendance was officially 34,544 (OK, not 38K but close.) But hey Butler is a Power House right?

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Just now, Pelado said:

So if NDSU delivers Fargo, the entire state of North Dakota, and a substantial piece of the Minnesota market, then why aren't the national networks clamoring to get all their games?

Because we play against shitty teams in the FCS. You think ESPN is going to pay huge money to broadcast a game vs Butler, Indiana State, or Western Illinois? But if we played some good teams they sure as hell would

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7 minutes ago, Herdbot said:

They are paying both teams a guarantee to play at US Bank Stadium. If they don't sell enough tickets, they will lose money.

 

 

200k for EW and 375 for NDSU isnt a hard guarantee to cover.  Thats a decent day of parking and beer sales.

 

5 minutes ago, Herdbot said:

Because we play against shitty teams in the FCS. You think ESPN is going to pay huge money to broadcast a game vs Butler, Indiana State, or Western Illinois? But if we played some good teams they sure as hell would

But you're such a draw that shouldnt matter.  Isnt that what you have been trying to tell us?

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Just now, Herdbot said:

Because we play against shitty teams in the FCS. You think ESPN is going to pay huge money to broadcast a game vs Butler, Indiana State, or Western Illinois? But if we played some good teams they sure as hell would

If NDSU is such a ratings bonanza, then ESPN will want to broadcast the games even if the opponent is terrible.  Back in Boise State's WAC days, ESPN picked up almost all of their games - even the games against traditionally terrible teams.

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22 minutes ago, RSF said:

So join CUSA or the Sunbelt.

 

Btw...Marshall hasnt been IAA since 97.

App State 2012.

 

 

I bet we'll get an invite to CUSA but considering it would pay us about the same in media rights than we make right now, seems kind of dumb.

Sunbelt doesn't make sense geographically but for football only I would like it. But the Mountain West makes the most sense

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1 minute ago, Herdbot said:

But the Mountain West makes the most sense

This statement says it all.

 

 

Just not what you think it says.

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3 minutes ago, RSF said:

200k for EW and 375 for NDSU isnt a hard guarantee to cover.  Thats a decent day of beer sales.

 

But you're such a draw that shouldnt matter.  Isnt that what you have been trying to tell us?

The Gophers only did 900K in beer revenue over an entire football  season . 

4 minutes ago, RSF said:

200k for EW and 375 for NDSU isnt a hard guarantee to cover.  Thats a decent day of beer sales.

 

But you're such a draw that shouldnt matter.  Isnt that what you have been trying to tell us?

Apparently now when teams move up, they bring other FCS teams with them? I'm confused

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2 minutes ago, Herdbot said:

The Gophers only did 900K in beer revenue over an entire football  season . 

 

TCF only sells beer in the luxury suites and 1 beer garden.  Lot more limited.  We sell beer in limited places, too.  But when we play at AT&T, its alcoholpalooza.

2 minutes ago, Herdbot said:

have a good night. You guys are just trolling me

Trolling...correcting you...whatever....

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I have never read a more meaningless conversation in my life. That is saying something considering dopey Nevada Convert posts here.

Montana, Montana State, Montana Tech, North Dakota, Fargo State, South Dakota State, University is Sturgis arent getting invited.

If they did, SDSU, Unlv, Fesno would be on the first flight to AAC.

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I learned something about NDSU just now.  Their contract through Learfield pays them an average of $2.19 million per year.  What I found most interesting was that in 2007, there was only one bidder for their TV contract:

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The Forum Communications deal is among the first for Learfield’s Bison Sports Properties, which took over the media contract process when it signed a 10-year, $21.9 million deal with the university in 2020. The NDSU athletic department will receive $1.85 million in the first year from Learfield with that figure escalating over the duration of the contract.

In return for the flat fee to NDSU, Learfield owns the broadcast rights, sponsorships and advertising.

Last week, NDSU announced Bison 1660 retained the radio rights for three more years with an option for two more. Bison 1660 is owned by Radio FM Media of Fargo.

The TV rights have taken a greater importance in the last decade. It wasn’t until the 2012 season when every regular-season game was televised. The North Dakota NBC Network televised just three games as recently as 2010.

KVLY was awarded the television contract in 2007 in a media climate where nobody else submitted a bid. Before that, WDAY was the television host.

 

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/football/7027249-WDAY-TV-Forum-Communications-awarded-rights-to-televise-Bison-athletics

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8 minutes ago, Pelado said:

I learned something about NDSU just now.  Their contract through Learfield pays them an average of $2.19 million per year.  What I found most interesting was that in 2007, there was only one bidder for their TV contract:

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/football/7027249-WDAY-TV-Forum-Communications-awarded-rights-to-televise-Bison-athletics

Not bad.  I would’ve thought the payout was lower than that.

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13 minutes ago, Dirtball said:

I have never read a more meaningless conversation in my life. 

I rather enjoyed it.  Calling Ibanez and Woosh on their, er, stuff gets monotonous.  Fresh blood keeps things interesting.

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2 hours ago, Jalapeno said:

Rebuilt stadium from the ground up that is easily expandable.  UND, NDSU, and USD will have to replace their current domes if they want to sniff FBS ball.

A brand new stadium from the ground up that’s expandable for what? They can barely fill half the seats as it is and average 11,996. Or maybe it’s their 80 yd long practice field (not including the end zones) with a track around it. I think no.

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On 9/22/2021 at 1:12 PM, Ibanez said:

Utah State has a really good AD. Everyone seems to respect Wyoming's AD as well. I agree that UNR is a better brand than UNLV and it's not even close. But UNLV has a better market and they have the Raiders providing them with everything but fans.

Iowa State fans outnumbered UNLV fans and BYU draws a bigger crowd on Vegas than UNLV. That's +++++ing embarrassing.

Consider this.

Had UNLV passed on hiring Tark, today they would be Long Beach State with a medical school.

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55 minutes ago, Pelado said:

Take a look at the average ratings for those former FCS teams - most of which are in larger markets than NDSU - and you might start to understand why the MW isn't clamoring for NDSU to join.

BYU couldn't even beat Coastal Carolina last year with a 1st round pick at QB. Coastal Carolina was NDSUs bitch when they were FCS and they play in a smaller stadium and moved up in 2017. Now they are ranked in the top 20. 

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3 hours ago, roughrider said:

Your team says Utah but I suspect you're an NDSU fan.   Realize that week in and week out those established teams will wear you down.  This coming from and FCS team that moved up. 

Not saying you can't make it.  Saying your TV numbers will dry up immediately and tv execs and smart commissioners (ie. not Thompson) know this.  Those #'s are worth something but ....

 Dead on.

Both Utah, Colorado, BYU and TCU have struggled since moving up. They have had their moments, but they are mostly middlin' to good.

The only teams I have seen succeed after steppping up in class are Boise and Penn St. Everyone else struggles for 5-10 years. 

Its not about your starters being good. Its about having quality depth to back it up.

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On 9/22/2021 at 11:57 AM, Ibanez said:

The new Going For Two Podcast is out with Matt Brown. The guy who got the AAC poaching MWC teams rolling and has a good track record.

Colorado State and Air Force is not leaving because of money or better competition. They are leaving because Boise State and San Diego State are expected to be gone in four years to a P5 conference. It is a move about positioning and as a school out west, they feel they need to get on a conference out east while they can.

Here ya go @Did I hear a WOOSH? The AAC is losing their value. What Hair said was correct. This makes the second reliable insider (I'm not counting The Athletic) to say this. As usual you're wrong.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/realignment-musical-chairs/id1549029012?i=1000536263303

Also, we will use RSF's favorite podcast 16 team super conferences will happen and the Big 12 will probably be the next to do it. I was told Boise, Memphis, USF, and either San Diego State or SMU was the next four to get invited. But for whatever reason, no other team can be invited til OU and UT are gone.

 

 

Since going 21-4 in '16-'17 and fooling some people into thinking they were headed to great accomplishments under Charlies Strong, who replaced Cheatin' Jim Leavitt, the USF Bulls have gone 13-26 and have a legit shot on running the table in the wrong direction this year. Add that USF has one of the worst basketball programs and the country and USF is officially dog poop.

So if the B12 wants to take SMU (and talk about cheating universities), let 'em. But Bowlsby isn't a dumbass braggart like Aresco so no way does the B12 offer South Florida.

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