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If NDSU could draw anything close to those kind of numbers for a regular game, ESPN would sign them up.  They cant, so they dont.

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43 minutes ago, Herdbot said:

Comparatively... and consider the FCS Playoffs have zero promotion. i don't want to sound like a broken record but the FCS playoffs get zero promotion. They have 6 days notice unlike Bowl Games where they  have tons of time and they pay to air them

All these games were on ESPN on a Saturday in the same year and our playoff game was only a quarter final... not the semis or the national championship

  1.984M South Dakota St.
North Dakota St.
FCS qtrs 7:00 PM ESPN
1.581M WKU
Memphis
Boca Bowl 7:00 PM ESPN
2.380M BYU
Wyoming
Poinsettia Bowl 9:16 PM

ESPN

1.143M Idaho
Colorado St.
Potato Bowl 7:00 PM ESPN
794K Tulsa
CMU
M. Beach Bowl 2:25 PM ESPN
713K SDSU
Wyoming
MWC Champ. 7:43 PM ESPN
926K WKU
La. Tech
C-USA Champ. 12:01 PM ESPN
2.050M Temple
Navy
AAC Champ. 12:01 PM ABC

 

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings-archived/

Why go all the way back to 2016?

Viewership of 1.984 million isn't a bad number.  However, let's look at some context.  It was on ESPN at 7 pm ET on a Saturday.  The only other college football game broadcast that day was Army-Navy that afternoon.

The Tulsa-CMU game was broadcast on a Monday afternoon - obviously not a great time for ratings. 

That SDSU-Wyoming game was on ESPN on a Saturday at close to the same time, but it was competing with the Big 10 Championship game on Fox (9.189M viewers) and the ACC Championship game on ABC (5.338M viewers).

The BYU-Wyoming game was on ESPN on a Wednesday night, starting over two hours later than the NDSU-SDSU game, and still drew 20% more viewers.

And more importantly, as others have said, being able to draw good ratings for an FCS championship or playoff game is much different than drawing good ratings for regular season games.  If NDSU were to join the MW, how many people are really going to be tuning in to FS1 or CBS Sports to watch NDSU go up against Nevada?  It will be a lot smaller number than what they've had for FCS playoff games.  But the projected ratings for those regular season games is what will drive the media contracts and the media contracts are largely what will drive conference invitations.

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2 minutes ago, AztecSU said:

Pretty sure FCS playoff games air with almost no competition in a country obsessed with football, you better put up numbers. 

Their game was preceded that night by the Heisman show.

 

Heisman won.

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41 minutes ago, BSUFiend said:

Not super interested in NDSU debates if/until MWC intends to invite.  And there's no indication of that, even if AFA/CSU depart.  If they decide to expand, they'll look at Texas schools first.

I'll end the discussion with this. People say the same thing about Boise as NDSU... it's in the middle of no where, not a huge media market, blah blah blah

Ironically Boise is the best team with the best TV ratings. That's because they are the entire state of Idaho. Same with NDSU. It's the entire state of North Dakota and arguably more fans in Minnesota. That's why they play a football game in Minneapolis and 38,000 people show up vs a no name team. That's why they are playing a game in the Minnesota Vikings stadium in 3 years. That's why the radio network goes from Montana to Minneapolis.

If the Mountain West starts choosing teams based on media markets and not quality teams, they will end up like Conference USA who has no TV deal and nobody cares.

Texas El Paso is in a huge media market but nobody watches them. Nobody cares about them. They play in a 50k seat stadium and draw 14K a games. 

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34 minutes ago, Herdbot said:

UND and USD don't have the capacity. They dont even have endzone seats.

The Fargodome is plenty big and averaged more than San Jose State, New Mexico, and Nevada did in 2019 and were only about 1500 behind Utah State and UNLV. They can add seats to the dome but not more than 1500-2K max. That's plenty

When your argument is that you're just a little bit worse than UNLV, you're losing the argument.

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Just now, Herdbot said:

I'll end the discussion with this. People say the same thing about Boise as NDSU... it's in the middle of no where, not a huge media market, blah blah blah

Ironically Boise is the best team with the best TV ratings. That's because they are the entire state of Idaho. Same with NDSU. It's the entire state of North Dakota and arguably more fans in Minnesota. That's why they play a football game in Minneapolis and 38,000 people show up vs a no name team. That's why they are playing a game in the Minnesota Vikings stadium in 3 years. That's why the radio network goes from Montana to Minneapolis.

If the Mountain West starts choosing teams based on media markets and not quality teams, they will end up like Conference USA who has no TV deal and nobody cares.

Texas El Paso is in a huge media market but nobody watches them. Nobody cares about them. They play in a 50k seat stadium and draw 14K a games. 

Boise didn't just jump from FCS to the MW.  They went through the Big West and WAC first, proving themselves along the way.  They proved that they could compete and they proved that they could draw ratings during the regular season.

To RSF's point, if NDSU is such a huge TV draw, then why aren't more of their games available nationally?

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21 minutes ago, Herdbot said:

It's the entire state of North Dakota and arguably more fans in Minnesota. That's why they play a football game in Minneapolis and 38,000 people show up vs a no name team. That's why they are playing a game in the Minnesota Vikings stadium in 3 years. That's why the radio network goes from Montana to Minneapolis.

It was 34, but thats splitting hairs.  It was a novelty game.  Tarleton State just drew 9k to Arlington for a game, and theyve been FCS about 5 minutes.  Novelty.  And radio network covering 5 million sq miles and 50 people isnt that impressive.  Our radio affiliate (WBAP) covers 38 states.  BFD.

 

You all keep making the same arguments, and people keep picking them apart, and you all start over again 6 months later.  Guess we know how much there is to do in N Dakota.

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1 minute ago, Pelado said:

Boise didn't just jump from FCS to the MW.  They went through the Big West and WAC first, proving themselves along the way.  They proved that they could compete and they proved that they could draw ratings during the regular season.

To RSF's point, if NDSU is such a huge TV draw, then why aren't more of their games available nationally?

Because they don't own the rights to broadcast it.

Every regular season game on on statewide ABC free over the air. We have a great TV deal for our level. 

Every home NDSU game is simulcast on ESPN+ (with NDSU's permission)

Every playoff game that is on ESPN... they put NDSU in the prime time spot every time

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Herdbot said:

Because they don't own the rights to broadcast it.

Every regular season game on on statewide ABC free over the air. We have a great TV deal for our level. 

Every home NDSU game is simulcast on ESPN+ (with NDSU's permission)

Every playoff game that is on ESPN... they put NDSU in the prime time spot every time

 

 

If NDSU is such a ratings bonanza, why aren't the national networks beating down the door to get the rights to broadcast those games?

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1 minute ago, Herdbot said:

Because they don't own the rights to broadcast it.

Every regular season game on on statewide ABC free over the air. We have a great TV deal for our level. 

Every home NDSU game is simulcast on ESPN+ (with NDSU's permission)

Every playoff game that is on ESPN... they put NDSU in the prime time spot every time

 

 

And why is that?  Because it aint worth it to them to pay a nickel for the rights.

 

And none of their 2019 playoff games were in prime time.

 

And 1 of 4 in 2018.

 

And 1 of 4 in 2017.

 

And 1 of 3 in 2016.

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1 minute ago, Ibanez said:

Anyone watching the Marshall vs App State game? App State has such a great college setting. AAC should be trying to get App State instead of messing around with CSU and Air Force. That's not a dig at those schools. App State is right there in their back yard.

Good example of former FCS powers....

The Sunbelt will be poaching Marshall this year (and be joined by another FCS team... James Madison)  

Most of the Sunbelt conference is made up of former FCS powers like Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina and yep soon to be former FCS Power Marshall.

I bet Conerence USA said 5 years ago... no way we don't want lowly FCS team in it. Now they will be on the verge of not existing and the Subelt will be killing it.

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3 minutes ago, Herdbot said:

Good example of former FCS powers....

The Sunbelt will be poaching Marshall this year (and be joined by another FCS team... James Madison)  

Most of the Sunbelt conference is made up of former FCS powers like Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina and yep soon to be former FCS Power Marshall.

I bet Conerence USA said 5 years ago... no way we don't want lowly FCS team in it. Now they will be on the verge of not existing and the Subelt will be killing it.

So join CUSA or the Sunbelt.

 

Btw...Marshall hasnt been IAA since 97.

App State 2012.

 

 

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