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4 minutes ago, roughrider said:

The FCS effect, which you'd lose quickly if you weren't immediately if you aren't succesful moving up.  Lost in a crowd.  As an alpha dog in FCS you are a novelty, and will draw eyes because of it.

There are programs that people just want to watch because they are good and interesting. I couldn't tell you what Boise's record was the last 5 years or what it is today, but if they are on TV, I want to watch them because they are a good and interesting program. I love their style.

We've had 2 losing seasons in 58 years.  People like to watch us because we are a nationally known brand, have a great atmosphere on TV, play an exciting old school style of football, routinely beat Big 10 and Big 12 schools and produce exciting players and first round picks at the QB position.

We do all of that with 22 less scholarships. Heck when we first moved up to D1 and weren't playoff eligible, we were beating FBS teams with mostly juniors and seniors who were recruited as D2 players. We haven't scratched the surface on what we can do

 

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40 minutes ago, lakesbison said:

How many of these were either playoff games or games played in the spring?  Because those would not be a good indicator of FBS viewership.

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6 minutes ago, Herdbot said:

There are programs that people just want to watch because they are good and interesting. I couldn't tell you what Boise's record was the last 5 years or what it is today, but if they are on TV, I want to watch them because they are a good and interesting program. I love their style.

We've had 2 losing seasons in 58 years.  People like to watch us because we are a nationally known brand, have a great atmosphere on TV, play an exciting old school style of football, routinely beat Big 10 and Big 12 schools and produce exciting players and first round picks at the QB position.

We do all of that with 22 less scholarships. Heck when we first moved up to D1 and weren't playoff eligible, we were beating FBS teams with mostly juniors and seniors who were recruited as D2 players. We haven't scratched the surface on what we can do

 

Your team says Utah but I suspect you're an NDSU fan.   Realize that week in and week out those established teams will wear you down.  This coming from and FCS team that moved up. 

Not saying you can't make it.  Saying your TV numbers will dry up immediately and tv execs and smart commissioners (ie. not Thompson) know this.  Those #'s are worth something but ....

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5 minutes ago, NorthWestCowboy said:

These are all playoff games for the Bison that you are comparing against.

 

Not only that these are playoff game viewerships listed for NDSU.  The very thing that has made NDSU successful is what they will be giving up to come to the FBS.  Playoff success that drives recruiting, fan interest and relavance.  So come on over to the FBS Bison.  In a few years you're recruiting edge will be gone along with your post season relavance.

Bottom like is the number of scholarships. We mostly recruit regionally except for some skilled players.  FBS has 22 more scholarships. That means we have 22 players on our roster that are walk ons and are paying their own way through college. That would more than make it up. 

NDSU fan interest has been waning. We know we are going to win 95% of the games before they even start. It feels like playing Madden on the super easy mode. But whenever we get some good competition, fan interest goes way up. We want to see 4 quarter games, not blowouts that are over at half time.

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16 minutes ago, Herdbot said:

There are programs that people just want to watch because they are good and interesting. I couldn't tell you what Boise's record was the last 5 years or what it is today, but if they are on TV, I want to watch them because they are a good and interesting program. I love their style.

We've had 2 losing seasons in 58 years.  People like to watch us because we are a nationally known brand, have a great atmosphere on TV, play an exciting old school style of football, routinely beat Big 10 and Big 12 schools and produce exciting players and first round picks at the QB position.

We do all of that with 22 less scholarships. Heck when we first moved up to D1 and weren't playoff eligible, we were beating FBS teams with mostly juniors and seniors who were recruited as D2 players. We haven't scratched the surface on what we can do

 

Do you seriously think NDSU will recruit as well in FBS as they do in FCS?  I guarantee the Bisons recruiting edge that they now enjoy over their FCS competition will not transer to the FBS.  A lot of players will choose NDSU now over G5 schools knowing they will actually get more media attention.  More postseason exposure.  Postseason as a G5 is very different.  Hell, only one G5 team per year gets a NY6 game.  Rarely, does a G5 team even play a P5 team in a bowl game.

If and when the P5 splits off from the G5, and it will eventually happen, that is when NDSU should move up to the G5.

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35 minutes ago, Cowboy said:

 

This empty stadium is why Colorado State is leaving. 

CSU has had improved attendance at Canvas compared to Hughes. The average attendance has increased from the 23-25k range to around 27-30k. If there was a half decent coach and a winning product on the field there would be several thousand more there. 
 

https://csurams.com/news/2018/5/14/rams-saw-eighth-largest-per-game-football-attendance-increase-in-2017.aspx

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5 minutes ago, Ram1554 said:

CSU has had improved attendance at Canvas compared to Hughes. The average attendance has increased from the 23-25k range to around 27-30k. If there was a half decent coach and a winning product on the field there would be several thousand more there. 

I'm sure having Tulane and East Carolina come into town will help

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2 hours ago, Ibanez said:

No. This is for real. All signs point to them both going. It makes sense for Air Force and no sense for CSU. But now there is some talk about Boise State re-evaluating a move. Not sure what needs to be evaluated. They had just came to the conclusion less than a year ago that it didn't make sense. I don't think BSU is going. But if you were to ask me if AF and CSU is I would say yes to AF and probably to CSU.

So apparently negotiations over the term sheet broke down today huh.  All sides will spin it as something else just like they spun the original unveiling of the term sheet as a competitive reward.   It was obvious bullshit then and it’s obvious now.  

Typical Thompson PR bullshit.   

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2 hours ago, ToTheMountains said:

Explain the SDSU being more FBS ready if you would be so kind.

Rebuilt stadium from the ground up that is easily expandable.  UND, NDSU, and USD will have to replace their current domes if they want to sniff FBS ball.

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17 minutes ago, roughrider said:

Your team says Utah but I suspect you're an NDSU fan.   Realize that week in and week out those established teams will wear you down.  This coming from and FCS team that moved up. 

Not saying you can't make it.  Saying your TV numbers will dry up immediately and tv execs and smart commissioners (ie. not Thompson) know this.  Those #'s are worth something but ....

I never set up my profile so I'm not a Utah fan lol.

Our TV numbers will not dry up. They will increase. We're getting those numbers with zero promotion and no name competition. ESPN doesn't promote the FCS playoffs. Ever. They don't run commercials. They don't talk about it during Sportscenter. They only air them because they have to. They pay huge money to air Bowl Games, so they promote them.

Besides it takes 2 teams to draw ratings and in the FCS, we play teams that nobody knows. Quick question without looking, is Jacksonville State in Jacksonville? Nope. They are in Alabama. Ever heard of Wofford or Charleston Southern? What about Colgate? Exactly. Guarantee you 1.8 million didn't tune in to watch a team named after a toothpaste.

Check out Appalachian State and Georgia Southern after they moved up

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17 minutes ago, BSUFiend said:

How many of these were either playoff games or games played in the spring?  Because those would not be a good indicator of FBS viewership.

One was a week zero game.  Another was a trip to Iowa.  All others were playoff games.

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20 hours ago, Ibanez said:

I just think it's funny that Everytime @Did I hear a WOOSH? comes over here to spout the brilliance of Aresco and the downfall of the MWC, it takes less than 24 hours for him to be proven wrong. It never fails. 

I never once accused aresco of brilliance nor ever suggested that the MWC is facing a downfall.  It’s been quite the opposite really, don’t hate.

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1 hour ago, Spaztecs said:

Most MAC schools have an enrollment < 25,000.  The exceptions are Akron and Kent St at 28,000 and Buffalo at 31,000.

Notre Dame only has 8,000 students and it is a FB factory.

Enrollment numbers have zero to do with athletic success.

Athletic success is not the best topic for conference membership debates.  The correct topic is like-minded schools in the same conference and yes enrollment numbers do factor in that equation especially when students are going to be footing the bill for athletics fees every semester.

I also replied where private school enrollments are not treated the same as public school enrollments.  Generally private schools in the same conference would have 1/2 the population of the public schools.

The MAC & MWC will not be inviting NDSU to their conferences anytime soon.  They don't like the idea of a FCS school coming in and standing everyone up.  That is why Youngstown State was denied admission to the MAC when they were winning I-AA National Championships in the 1990's.  The AAC & C-USA will not do that either.  The only option for them is to have the MVFC schools move their football teams up to FBS at the same time.

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7 minutes ago, Jalapeno said:

Rebuilt stadium from the ground up that is easily expandable.  UND, NDSU, and USD will have to replace their current domes if they want to sniff FBS ball.

USD's Dakotadome is awful.  It was awful when I played a high school playoff game there in the early 90's and it's only gotten worse despite a recent huge renovation.  It's worse than the Kibbie Dome!  Zero football atmosphere.

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Just now, NorthWestCowboy said:

USD's Dakotadome is awful.  It was awful when I played a high school playoff game there in the early 90's and it's only gotten worse despite a recent huge renovation.  It's worse than the Kibbie Dome!  Zero football atmosphere.

Yeah they did a renovation very recently and replaced the dome (or was that UNI?).  They are the least likely of the Dakota schools to move to FBS at this point.

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21 minutes ago, Ibanez said:

Do you have a link or anything? Not saying you're lying but let's be honest here. There isn't one report saying Colorado State is staying in the MWC. ND the MWC doesn't wanna expand and Colorado State wants more eyes on their football team.

Nope. I don’t have a link. I’m referring to the lack of smoke on our homer board or from well connected fans. 
 

I’m not saying you’re lying either. Ram fans just haven’t heard anything one way or another. 

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4 hours ago, Wyobraska said:

Has NDSU been able to build a real library yet instead of the low level one that has been there in the past.  A library that symbolizes a true university

No.  But they were instrumental in creating a North Dakota  intra-library loan group among North Dakota’s 11 colleges and universities that’s pretty neat.  They upgraded the media center too subscribing to all of North Dakota’s newspapers including the small town weeklies.

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4 minutes ago, RSF said:

One was a week zero game.  Another was a trip to Iowa.  All others were playoff games.

Comparatively... and consider the FCS Playoffs have zero promotion. i don't want to sound like a broken record but the FCS playoffs get zero promotion. They have 6 days notice unlike Bowl Games where they  have tons of time and they pay to air them

All these games were on ESPN on a Saturday in the same year and our playoff game was only a quarter final... not the semis or the national championship

  1.984M South Dakota St.
North Dakota St.
FCS qtrs 7:00 PM ESPN
1.581M WKU
Memphis
Boca Bowl 7:00 PM ESPN
2.380M BYU
Wyoming
Poinsettia Bowl 9:16 PM

ESPN

1.143M Idaho
Colorado St.
Potato Bowl 7:00 PM ESPN
794K Tulsa
CMU
M. Beach Bowl 2:25 PM ESPN
713K SDSU
Wyoming
MWC Champ. 7:43 PM ESPN
926K WKU
La. Tech
C-USA Champ. 12:01 PM ESPN
2.050M Temple
Navy
AAC Champ. 12:01 PM ABC

 

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings-archived/

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