MissionTrails Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 On 10/25/2024 at 1:54 PM, HawaiiMongoose said: I wouldn't overlook the possibility that GCU is only flirting with the MWC as a negotiating ploy to pressure the WCC to give them back a big chunk of the $16 million they paid to get their WCC invitation. After all, GCU isn't just a school. It's a business. FIFY! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobo-tomy Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 On 10/24/2024 at 3:00 PM, agswin said: OK, let's be realistic and respectful in our responses and have a civil conversation of what pushed things over the top or held programs back. If your program has been invited to join the PAC, please give us your 3-4 main justifications that you think made a difference. If your program was not invited to join the PAC, please share what you think are the main reasons. why not. We have all heard the responses from the AD's and University Admins. I am interested in what the Fans have to say. Football sucks. We had an AD that destroyed our program. In 2014-15 or so, we were at the top of the MW for funding. We actually bring in less now maybe it's about the same. The Pit renovation throttled our program. We can't even host any NCAA tourney games. Suites were never paid for. Wise Pies never paid up. Noodles, Locksley, Sanchez, shut down mens soccer and skiing. A team that played for the natl championship and a team that won it. I'm peeved on the one hand, on the other I really don't care because at the end of the day, I will follow and support my Lobos no matter where. 2 Quote Out of my mind for the Lobos!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Dutch Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 Gloria landing Grand Canyon would be huge! They fit perfectly in our footprint and they will be nationally competitive. There is no downside and it's a significant step to get back to a 4-5 bid conference. On 10/25/2024 at 5:00 PM, MissionTrails said: FIFY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 On 10/24/2024 at 5:04 PM, WAC_FAN said: The initial cut off line was pretty clear--WSU and OSU chose the conference's biggest 4 markets. USU was the one school who was winning on the field, but not in the top markets--and since they were willing to pay their own fees. Easy choice. All Schools are paying their exit fees. Which seems strange since the Pac has the lettuce to help these Schools out. USU proved their willingness and worthiness to join the new PAC when the Boosters raised the exit fees plus an $1.5 mil per year to increase the FB Coaches payroll. Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 On 10/25/2024 at 8:07 AM, alum93 said: Miscalculation. They thought they had the MWC on the ropes and any school would jump next if asked. It's kind of cool how UNLV (and Air Force) helped save the MWC. And i still don't see the money coming that justifies a split. But we'll know soon enough. Going out and saying you are going to get the best cable deal for your new teams and then getting Logan, Utah over Las Vegas, Nevada? I think if they had snagged UNLV then the MWC would look very different as more dominoes would have fallen involving multiple conferences. The Pac targeted the first four. The perceived upper end of the Conference. The Pac 6 then targeted UNLV. They chose the payoff and the status of being the tallest midget. When UNLV passed they asked USU and stopped there. It's not that hard and no mistakes were made. Every School in each Conference is where it either wants to be and/or is being highly rewarded for the current situation. The MW needs to get on it's knees and suck AFLV's manhood for not bailing out. Otherwise, UH would not be joining as a full member and you would be begging numerous far flung lower level Schools to come west 1 Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 On 10/25/2024 at 2:54 PM, HawaiiMongoose said: I wouldn't overlook the possibility that GCU is only flirting with the MWC as a negotiating ploy to pressure the WCC to give them back a big chunk of the $16 million they paid to get their WCC invitation. After all, GCU isn't just a school. It's a business. It only costs $3.5 to join the MW. That's the decision. Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKS007 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 On 10/27/2024 at 9:17 AM, Spaztecs said: All Schools are paying their exit fees. Which seems strange since the Pac has the lettuce to help these Schools out. USU proved their willingness and worthiness to join the new PAC when the Boosters raised the exit fees plus an $1.5 mil per year to increase the FB Coaches payroll. And having been in that position once before when USU stuck with the WAC instead of immediately joining the MWC, they got left behind by Fresno St and Nevada. I'm not surprised that USU didn't repeat that mistake when they had an offer on the table. Had they turned it down, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the PAC move to the next school on the list and ask. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 On 10/28/2024 at 12:35 PM, CKS007 said: And having been in that position once before when USU stuck with the WAC instead of immediately joining the MWC, they got left behind by Fresno St and Nevada. I'm not surprised that USU didn't repeat that mistake when they had an offer on the table. Had they turned it down, I wouldn't have been surprised to see the PAC move to the next school on the list and ask. The Utags were much smarter this time. I think the plan was to invite UNLV and USU only. They Pac6 drew the line there Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agswin Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 I am in the camp of first looking at a proven winner solution like a Brian Harsin at Utah State. I think he is a fine coach and understands FBS Football in the Mountain and Western parts of the US. I also really believe that as Utah State makes the transition the PAC, we need to be dialed in and hitting our stride as a Program.. Brian Harsin likely does not even want to coach another 15 or 20 years. He probably wants to go another 5 or 7. So if Harsin would take a 33 year old quality young coach like a Nate Dreiling under his wing for a few years as a DC and mentor him ala Morgan Scalley at Utah, I believe USU could then be in very good coaching hands for another 20 years. Compared to the endless treadmill of totally new hires and buyouts every 3-5 years, this strategy makes e sense to me. Would Harsin/Dreilling do it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Destiny Dutch Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 On 10/31/2024 at 3:12 PM, wolf from 73 said: WELCOME GRAND CANYON!!! This is a 5 Star Addition. ADD Saint Mary and the MWC is as good as new. Gloria using the old Big East model is a great way forward. Kevin Sweeney on X: "@Sam_Federman Functionally I think the ending here is just the WCC essentially being the private schools version of the Big West. Will be interesting to see how aggressive Saint Mary's is in attempting to get out - I imagine they'd be able to get MWC basketball-only. They could further" / X 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Dutch Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 On 11/1/2024 at 9:06 PM, Destiny Dutch said: WELCOME GRAND CANYON!!! This is a 5 Star Addition. ADD Saint Mary and the MWC is as good as new. Gloria using the old Big East model is a great way forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 This podcaster claims to have sources that have told him NIU and Toledo will be added to the MW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
415hawaiiboy Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 On 11/1/2024 at 7:06 PM, Destiny Dutch said: WELCOME GRAND CANYON!!! This is a 5 Star Addition. ADD Saint Mary and the MWC is as good as new. Gloria using the old Big East model is a great way forward. Kevin Sweeney on X: "@Sam_Federman Functionally I think the ending here is just the WCC essentially being the private schools version of the Big West. Will be interesting to see how aggressive Saint Mary's is in attempting to get out - I imagine they'd be able to get MWC basketball-only. They could further" / X Thanks for the map. Not sure about St Mary’s but that’s a tight looking Southwestern conference. I can lose the Southwestern-ish, because with GCU, our conference is beautiful and makes sense geographically. For non-football school, I’d add a SoCal school (Long Beach or UC Irvine), or go with a football only NIU as the rumors have it. Nevertheless, I’m proud to be part of this conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
415hawaiiboy Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 The MW is concentrating around those dots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utgrizfan Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 On 11/2/2024 at 12:34 AM, 415hawaiiboy said: Thanks for the map. Not sure about St Mary’s but that’s a tight looking Southwestern conference. I can lose the Southwestern-ish, because with GCU, our conference is beautiful and makes sense geographically. For non-football school, I’d add a SoCal school (Long Beach or UC Irvine), or go with a football only NIU as the rumors have it. Nevertheless, I’m proud to be part of this conference. I dont see any more basketball only schools as Football $$ is more important and the MWC needs a 9th team to get to 8 conference games. Personally I still think if New Timezones are the goal the MWC would be better off by adding both Dakota States along with NIU, it would give you a solid Eastern wing of the Conference with 3 options to air games in the CTZ: SJSU..................Wyoming UNLV..................Air Force Nevada..............*GCU Hawaii...............**NIU New Mexico......**NDSU UTEP..................**SDSU * = No Football ** = Football Only Granted I still think adding both Montana and Dakota State schools would be the best option, but at least for now that doesn't seem like it will ever happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvspuds Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 On 11/2/2024 at 3:02 AM, utgrizfan said: I dont see any more basketball only schools as Football $$ is more important and the MWC needs a 9th team to get to 8 conference games. Personally I still think if New Timezones are the goal the MWC would be better off by adding both Dakota States along with NIU, it would give you a solid Eastern wing of the Conference with 3 options to air games in the CTZ: SJSU..................Wyoming UNLV..................Air Force Nevada..............*GCU Hawaii...............**NIU New Mexico......**NDSU UTEP..................**SDSU * = No Football ** = Football Only Granted I still think adding both Montana and Dakota State schools would be the best option, but at least for now that doesn't seem like it will ever happen. I am willing to be convinced. Why do you think the Montana and Dakota schools would be the 'best' option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brew_Poke Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 On 11/2/2024 at 12:02 AM, utgrizfan said: I dont see any more basketball only schools as Football $$ is more important and the MWC needs a 9th team to get to 8 conference games. Personally I still think if New Timezones are the goal the MWC would be better off by adding both Dakota States along with NIU, it would give you a solid Eastern wing of the Conference with 3 options to air games in the CTZ: SJSU..................Wyoming UNLV..................Air Force Nevada..............*GCU Hawaii...............**NIU New Mexico......**NDSU UTEP..................**SDSU * = No Football ** = Football Only Granted I still think adding both Montana and Dakota State schools would be the best option, but at least for now that doesn't seem like it will ever happen. Best option for who? Not current members; that'd slash revenues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
415hawaiiboy Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Montana and Dakotas fit nicely with the PAC-12 geographically 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utgrizfan Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 On 11/2/2024 at 7:39 AM, nvspuds said: I am willing to be convinced. Why do you think the Montana and Dakota schools would be the 'best' option. In terms of Football only options the Dakota States would get you 2 CTZ teams who have National recognition, both Montanas would be great in every metric outside of TV presence (already covered and aware $$ matters most unfortunately) and all 4 bring awesome fan bases that travel well and would look good on TV. All have facilities that would fit in well with the current MWC and I think it would be a good looking Conference as well: SJSU....................Wyoming UNLV....................Air Force Nevada................Montana Hawaii.................MSU New Mexico........*NDSU UTEP....................*SDSU **GCU Gives you 11 Full Members that wouldn't adversely affect basketball to much (still a 2+ bid league imo) and gets you back up to 12 schools in Football. I think also gives you alot more potential for growth and a rise in Status as a Conference then adding NIU and Toledo, especially if NDSU in particular (could become the new "Boise") continue their winning ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
