415hawaiiboy Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/1/2024 at 9:58 PM, RebelRobert said: MWC-8 UNLV UNR New Mexico UTEP Hawaii SJSU Air Force Wyoming Make Hawaii and All Sports member and let’s be done with this nonsense. Eight is Enough. That’s a pretty tight southwestern-ish conference. @RebelRobert is the voice of reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosegreen Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 9:26 AM, PlayersinVegas said: My guy said get to 8 and stop lol, look nobodies interested in a small group of bottom feeders. That's like the A10 conference in basketball lmfao. They need more schools for more games and more locations. Lol stop at 8 is hilarious. Kudos though Hawaii basketball program is generally strong. The PAC is pausing expansion at 7, even though you need 8. They screwed up by inviting everyone in the northwest sans SDSU and Fresno. It’s not appealing to any AAC members as a regional conference and the TV partners probably aren’t happy with the proposed footprint. All the while the PAC is on the hook for penalties and paying exit fees. I don’t see a 10 million per school contract, especially with Gonzaga getting full share. You probably need 15-20 million dollar per share to entice the AAC schools plus equal voting rights. That would effectively end any leverage or power the PAC2 has and they don’t want to give that up. The Pac2 egos have landed them here. The Mountain West on the other hand, not a power house but it is more familiar, stable and programmable with schools in different time zones for any TV partner. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NowhereLandAggie Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 10:47 AM, Rosegreen said: The PAC is pausing expansion at 7, even though you need 8. They screwed up by inviting everyone in the northwest sans SDSU and Fresno. It’s not appealing to any AAC members as a regional conference and the TV partners probably aren’t happy with the proposed footprint. All the while the PAC is on the hook for penalties and paying exit fees. I don’t see a 10 million per school contract, especially with Gonzaga getting full share. You probably need 15-20 million dollar per share to entice the AAC schools plus equal voting rights. That would effectively end any leverage or power the PAC2 has and they don’t want to give that up. The Pac2 egos have landed them here. The Mountain West on the other hand, not a power house but it is more familiar, stable and programmable with schools in different time zones for any TV partner. All of these schools added and talked about the PAC could have added. Hawaii talked to the PAC, but no invite was given due to a number of reasons. It is very obvious other plans are in the works after the media deal is done. UNLV took $30 million to not go, and agreements about travel to Hawaii could not be reached. When this is done, there will be enough teams, and the PAC is not "desperate" to add teams. Rumor is after Gonzaga joined, additional interest has formed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosegreen Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 10:04 AM, NowhereLandAggie said: All of these schools added and talked about the PAC could have added. Hawaii talked to the PAC, but no invite was given due to a number of reasons. It is very obvious other plans are in the works after the media deal is done. UNLV took $30 million to not go, and agreements about travel to Hawaii could not be reached. When this is done, there will be enough teams, and the PAC is not "desperate" to add teams. Rumor is after Gonzaga joined, additional interest has formed. Not sure if that’s correct, the PAC has been turned down by 6-7 schools, 8 if you want to include Texas State because they aren’t offering any financial package that makes sense. Memphis AD has publicly said so, and UNLV AD had confirmed it as well. Nor can PAC offer any guarantees on a media deal. Not to mention, zero voting rights. I think it’s even harder now to entice a program like Memphis because Gonzaga is now getting a full share. As I’ve said, if you think a Gonzaga program is worth full share, then get ready to pony up big time for the AAC schools. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UofNPackFan Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 10:04 AM, NowhereLandAggie said: All of these schools added and talked about the PAC could have added. Hawaii talked to the PAC, but no invite was given due to a number of reasons. It is very obvious other plans are in the works after the media deal is done. UNLV took $30 million to not go, and agreements about travel to Hawaii could not be reached. When this is done, there will be enough teams, and the PAC is not "desperate" to add teams. Rumor is after Gonzaga joined, additional interest has formed. So what your saying is basically a non football hold the power in the PAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Did I hear a WOOSH? Posted October 3 Author Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 1:31 PM, UofNPackFan said: So what your saying is basically a non football hold the power in the PAC. The PAC is becoming the Big (W)East. I’m sure most of those schools would be ok with that, except Boise. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosegreen Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 10:40 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said: The PAC is becoming the Big (W)East. I’m sure most of those schools would be ok with that, except Boise. But their institutions have great metrics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartanDude Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 9:45 AM, 415hawaiiboy said: That’s a pretty tight southwestern-ish conference. That's a pretty astute observation. With some significant exceptions the collegiate west has been divided up into NW and SW. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UofNPackFan Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 10:40 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said: The PAC is becoming the Big (W)East. I’m sure most of those schools would be ok with that, except Boise. Will Gonzaga have full voting rights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram1554 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 11:08 AM, UofNPackFan said: Will Gonzaga have full voting rights? I wouldn’t see why not. They will be a full member - not an affiliate. However, I’m guessing they would abstain from voting on football-specific matters like scheduling or conference championship format, etc. (similar to how CSU wouldn’t vote on anything baseball related as we don’t play that sport). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayersinVegas Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 9:37 AM, RebelRobert said: No other viable options exist or make sense. You do NOT add just for the sake of adding because the brain dead commish is bored. Anyone you add, you can NEVER get rid of them. That is why you don’t add a Grand Canyon or a St Mary’s (not that they would come). We have the minimum number of schools, they all have been together in one form or another for decades. These eight make sense. No others do. The correct move at this time is to stop and do not add anyone else. we all know the incompetence that runs our conference and our schools. What horrible decision they will make is up for debate. Again, the correct move now is to stop. Combining with AAC or PAC-12 would be smart. There's many options, your suggestion there will be no mountain west after 2032 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram1554 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 9:37 AM, RebelRobert said: No other viable options exist or make sense. You do NOT add just for the sake of adding because the brain dead commish is bored. Anyone you add, you can NEVER get rid of them. That is why you don’t add a Grand Canyon or a St Mary’s (not that they would come). We have the minimum number of schools, they all have been together in one form or another for decades. These eight make sense. No others do. The correct move at this time is to stop and do not add anyone else. we all know the incompetence that runs our conference and our schools. What horrible decision they will make is up for debate. Again, the correct move now is to stop. Combining with AAC or PAC-12 would be smart. I’m with Rebel Robert on this. The MW should stop expansion for now. And if the PAC can’t pull American schools, they should just grab Texas State to meet conference requirements and stop there. If/when we all merge again in 2032 under the PAC12 umbrella, we’ll have a relatively compact 16-school conference. CSU/WYO UNM/AFA BSU/USU UNLV/UN SDSU/FS OSU/WSU UTEP/TXST SJSU/Hawaii FB + Zags Olympics That’s the optimal set up and should’ve happened from the start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWC Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 11:30 AM, Ram1554 said: I’m with Rebel Robert on this. The MW should stop expansion for now. And if the PAC can’t pull American schools, they should just grab Texas State to meet conference requirements and stop there. If/when we all merge again in 2032 under the PAC12 umbrella, we’ll have a relatively compact 16-school conference. CSU/WYO UNM/AFA BSU/USU UNLV/UN SDSU/FS OSU/WSU UTEP/TXST SJSU/Hawaii FB + Zags Olympics That’s the optimal set up and should’ve happened from the start. Why 2032? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayersinVegas Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 11:30 AM, Ram1554 said: I’m with Rebel Robert on this. The MW should stop expansion for now. And if the PAC can’t pull American schools, they should just grab Texas State to meet conference requirements and stop there. If/when we all merge again in 2032 under the PAC12 umbrella, we’ll have a relatively compact 16-school conference. CSU/WYO UNM/AFA BSU/USU UNLV/UN SDSU/FS OSU/WSU UTEP/TXST SJSU/Hawaii FB + Zags Olympics That’s the optimal set up and should’ve happened from the start. I don't see them merging in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosegreen Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 11:30 AM, Ram1554 said: I’m with Rebel Robert on this. The MW should stop expansion for now. And if the PAC can’t pull American schools, they should just grab Texas State to meet conference requirements and stop there. If/when we all merge again in 2032 under the PAC12 umbrella, we’ll have a relatively compact 16-school conference. CSU/WYO UNM/AFA BSU/USU UNLV/UN SDSU/FS OSU/WSU UTEP/TXST SJSU/Hawaii FB + Zags Olympics That’s the optimal set up and should’ve happened from the start. Texas State may be eyeing the ACC or AAC, it is more lucrative. As long as the PAC insists on the Pac2 running the show and not promising certain financial incentives, it will be tough sledding for them. They are stuck. Any merger went up in smoke when departing schools tried to publicly dunk on the other schools in the MWC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utgrizfan Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 9:24 AM, RebelRobert said: https://x.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1841828969810628928?s=46&t=MXuJiO1t1gwkhjZw_FvxFQ I think you guys should still add NMSU for a bit more security and could ensure 8 Conference games, round Robin schedule. Maybe get Denver, Utah Valley, GCU etc. for 10 teams for Basketball. Would be a solid Regional Conference: UNLV............Wyoming Nevada........Air Force SJSU............New Mexico Hawaii.........NMSU *UVU............UTEP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosegreen Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 2:30 PM, utgrizfan said: I think you guys should still add NMSU for a bit more security and could ensure 8 Conference games, round Robin schedule. Maybe get Denver, Utah Valley, GCU etc. for 10 teams for Basketball. Would be a solid Regional Conference: UNLV............Wyoming Nevada........Air Force SJSU............New Mexico Hawaii.........NMSU *UVU............UTEP We’re not looking to copy the PAC and become regional. If I’m the MWC I would look to add Wichita State and a travel partner or two in the central time zone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gasherbrum Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Pac-12 isn’t aggressively pursuing schools now as it’s in the process of getting a better read of its likely media contract now that Gonzaga is in the mix. Once they get that, will likely take a 2nd bite of the apple with Memphis. Hang-up with the AAC schools is the $ 25 million exit fee of which the Pac-12 initially only offered to pay 10%. That will likely change when they go for a 2nd bite, but it’s not going to be anytime soon. Wished they had just merged with the MW early on and saved all the exit fees and heartache, but unfortunately that ship has sailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayersinVegas Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 10/3/2024 at 2:51 PM, Rosegreen said: We’re not looking to copy the PAC and become regional. If I’m the MWC I would look to add Wichita State and a travel partner or two in the central time zone. Honestly they'd do fine with Toledo, Louisiana (Lafayette), Sac State, and maybe NDSU/NIU/ or an out lier like Villanova 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilPoke Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 On 10/3/2024 at 10:26 AM, PlayersinVegas said: My guy said get to 8 and stop lol, look nobodies interested in a small group of bottom feeders. That's like the A10 conference in basketball lmfao. They need more schools for more games and more locations. Lol stop at 8 is hilarious. Kudos though Hawaii basketball program is generally strong. You need nine football for 8 conference games, 10 for a conference championship, which makes money - otherwise no one would do it. With 8 basketball teams - that's only 14 conference games. You need 16 to 18 at least. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
