Conference Realignment thread

[utgrizfan]

On 9/25/2024 at 10:18 PM, Rosegreen said:

MWC has ammo to lure Gonzaga and Grand Canyon to join the conference as basketball only. 
 

But as we all know, football drives the bus. Once the conference gets stability and new schools added, maybe use (if any) left over cash on building up the basketball brand for the conference. 

UTEP + NMSU

Hawaii Full Member or with GCU

Montana, MSU and Sac State

Thats an awesome 12 team Conference 

[Beaver-Poke]

You lost almost all of your good football programs.

You did lose all of your good basketball programs.

You won't get anywhere close to $67 million from the Pac.

You lost most of your top TV markets. 

But yeah, you won. Spin away. 

If I'm Wyoming I do whatever I can to buy my way into the Pac-7, preserve the Border War and Bridger Rifle rivalries and leave this trainwreck behind. 

 

[UofMTigers]

a big part of the Pac-12's plan was to wound the MWC by taking 4 teams and then wound the AAC by taking 2-4 teams leaving them with a strangle hold on that #5 spot in the playoffs. the AAC is still intact so in that regard their plan has failed. That's why to me it would make some sense to make a better run at Memphis/Tulane if you're the Pac-12

[dudleyDgroot]

On 9/25/2024 at 10:23 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

You lost almost all of your good football programs.

You did lose all of your good basketball programs.

You won't get anywhere close to $67 million from the Pac.

You lost most of your top TV markets. 

But yeah, you won. Spin away. 

If I'm Wyoming I do whatever I can to buy my way into the Pac-7, preserve the Border War and Bridger Rifle rivalries and leave this trainwreck behind. 

 

Hah! Good luck with your 4 team baseball conference!

[utgrizfan]

On 9/25/2024 at 11:23 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

You lost almost all of your good football programs.

You did lose all of your good basketball programs.

You won't get anywhere close to $67 million from the Pac.

You lost most of your top TV markets. 

But yeah, you won. Spin away. 

If I'm Wyoming I do whatever I can to buy my way into the Pac-7, preserve the Border War and Bridger Rifle rivalries and leave this trainwreck behind. 

 

You tried to get AAC schools and failed 

You tried to destroy the MWC and failed 

With those 2 failures your goal of solidifying yourselves as the 5th best Conference and 12 million + TV deal failed

You succeed in becoming a national laughing stock

You succeed in showing you guys were never victims, just as dirty and uncaring as your PAC brethren.

As you said, spin it however you want to but you're merely coming off as a bitter loser. UNLV and Air Force should thank you by the way, thanks to the PAC2 and their Fools Gold Promises they got massive payouts!

All Gloria has to do is ensure she gets at minimum 50% of the poaching fees (which she will if not more) and each other remaining MWC gets 10 Million. Put the Copium Pipe down and have fun with UCONN 

[UofNPackFan]

On 9/25/2024 at 10:23 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

You lost almost all of your good football programs.

You did lose all of your good basketball programs.

You won't get anywhere close to $67 million from the Pac.

You lost most of your top TV markets. 

But yeah, you won. Spin away. 

If I'm Wyoming I do whatever I can to buy my way into the Pac-7, preserve the Border War and Bridger Rifle rivalries and leave this trainwreck behind. 

 

Your basketball comment is not true FYI

[NevadaFan]

On 9/25/2024 at 10:39 PM, utgrizfan said:

You tried to get AAC schools and failed 

You tried to destroy the MWC and failed 

With those 2 failures your goal of solidifying yourselves as the 5th best Conference and 12 million + TV deal failed

You succeed in becoming a national laughing stock

You succeed in showing you guys were never victims, just as dirty and uncaring as your PAC brethren.

As you said, spin it however you want to but you're merely coming off as a bitter loser. UNLV and Air Force should thank you by the way, thanks to the PAC2 and their Fools Gold Promises they got massive payouts!

All Gloria has to do is ensure she gets at minimum 50% of the poaching fees (which she will if not more) and each other remaining MWC gets 10 Million. Put the Copium Pipe down and have fun with UCONN 

WSU and OSU are winners? In what universe? I guess irony is lost on this guy. And the train wreck of paying their bills will be interesting to watch. 

[Destiny Dutch]

On 9/26/2024 at 1:05 AM, UofNPackFan said:

Your basketball comment is not true FYI

 

MWC basketball will still be stout. Add NMSU and UTEP and those are better basketball schools than OSU and WSU. 

[utgrizfan]

On 9/26/2024 at 12:09 AM, NevadaFan said:

WSU and OSU are winners? In what universe? I guess irony is lost on this guy. And the train wreck of paying their bills will be interesting to watch. 

Did you mean to quote me? The guy is full of Copium

[TrueAg]

On 9/25/2024 at 10:33 PM, UofMTigers said:

a big part of the Pac-12's plan was to wound the MWC by taking 4 teams and then wound the AAC by taking 2-4 teams leaving them with a strangle hold on that #5 spot in the playoffs. the AAC is still intact so in that regard their plan has failed. That's why to me it would make some sense to make a better run at Memphis/Tulane if you're the Pac-12

I think you'll see the PAC make a new offer to Memphis now. Instead of 2.5M to four AAC schools, they pool that money and offer it all to Memphis only. Maybe even up to half their exit fees if necesary.

Gonzaga is already joining once the 8th full football school is announced. That makes for a hell of a hoops conference.

BTW, for anyone who hasn't watched. This is an excellent breakdown of why Memphis (or anyone with an invite) should join the PAC.

 

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 9/26/2024 at 1:23 AM, Beaver-Poke said:

You lost almost all of your good football programs.

You did lose all of your good basketball programs.

You won't get anywhere close to $67 million from the Pac.

You lost most of your top TV markets. 

But yeah, you won. Spin away. 

If I'm Wyoming I do whatever I can to buy my way into the Pac-7, preserve the Border War and Bridger Rifle rivalries and leave this trainwreck behind. 

 

It’s not that the mwc is winning, it’s just that the PAC is losing.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 9/26/2024 at 3:29 AM, TrueAg said:

I think you'll see the PAC make a new offer to Memphis now. Instead of 2.5M to four AAC schools, they pool that money and offer it all to Memphis only. Maybe even up to half their exit fees if necesary.

Gonzaga is already joining once the 8th full football school is announced. That makes for a hell of a hoops conference.

BTW, for anyone who hasn't watched. This is an excellent breakdown of why Memphis (or anyone with an invite) should join the PAC.

 

I sat through that 24 minutes and honestly it wasn’t very compelling.  Basically they are emotionally invested in hating the conference they got stuck in and are willing to sell the future to feel better about  today.

[WarriorTyme]

On 9/25/2024 at 10:53 PM, UofMTigers said:

some info I found interesting...these numbers are from FY 2023

https://csnbbs.com/thread-997799.html

factor in the exit fees kicking-in from Cincy, Houston, UCF, and SMU which are paid out to the remaining AAC members (not the new adds) over 8 years along with yearly 150-200k auto escalators in the ESPN contract means Memphis would be making pretty much the same in the AAC as the Pac-12.

Bret McMurphy said on a pod cast yesterday that the PAC12 estimated value of the TV deal would be $12-$15 million per school. Memphis, Tulane, UTSA and USF did their own valuation and $12-$15 million was not a realistic number with a PAC-12 the consist of SDSU, OSU, WSU, BSU, CSU, FSU, Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, USF with full memberships. The AAC schools get between $8-$9 million right now and upping to maybe $10-$12 million is not worth the exit fees, increased cost of commercial travel and other logistical challenges.

They probably would not even breakeven and take a financial loss with the extra $3 million. The PAC 12 TV deal would have to be like when other G5 schools that move to a P4 conference going from $8 million to $30-$40 million. I mean PAC-12 had a deal of $20 million with most of their members still in the conference. 

He did mention that Gonzaga is still play for its Olympic sports and Hawaii could fill in as a Football Only Member. Hawaii does have flexibility as a Football only member, but all sports would be better. Who really knows?

[WarriorTyme]

On 9/25/2024 at 7:01 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

The lawsuit is not going to fail. If it even goes to trial (which it won't, IMHO), the "poaching" provision will be found to be an illegal restraint of trade, and thus unenforceable, and as such it won't matter if both parties signed it. 

I believe the lawsuit will lead to a settlement, probably in the range of $2-3 million per school. UNLV and Gonzaga will become Pac-9 members. The MWC will get between $10-15 million from the Pac and much more from the departing teams, and use that money to rebuild, just as the Pac rebuilt by using exit penalties paid by its departing members.

Both leagues will get on with life, and probably continue to play against each other because it's in the best interest of the teams, no matter what the MWC commissioner might want. I know OSU has future football games scheduled against UNM and SJSU. Those are good matchups and it would be foolish to cancel them. 

I'm sorry the full reverse merger didn't work. But trying to extort $30 million from the Pac-2 for 14 football games that were overprices at $14 million this year wasn't a strong or smart move. In fact, it started the process that ultimately will make the new Pac-9 the top West Coast-based football and men's basketball conference.

 

The problem is the PAC 12 poached when they knew the cost beforehand and they signed the contract. Contract law is tough to beat, PAC-12 is hoping a settlement can be reached before it goes to court. PAC-12 had a budget of $60 million to assist with exit and poaching fees. They are almost tapped out of that $60 million and with the slap to the face from the AAC schools they realize they overreached and are now hoping a settlement. If the MWC probably would settle but it probably will be in the 50%-70% range. Not the 20%-30% range you are guessing.

[utgrizfan]

On 9/26/2024 at 4:57 AM, WarriorTyme said:

The problem is the PAC 12 poached when they knew the cost beforehand and they signed the contract. Contract law is tough to beat, PAC-12 is hoping a settlement can be reached before it goes to court. PAC-12 had a budget of $60 million to assist with exit and poaching fees. They are almost tapped out of that $60 million and with the slap to the face from the AAC schools they realize they overreached and are now hoping a settlement. If the MWC probably would settle but it probably will be in the 50%-70% range. Not the 20%-30% range you are guessing.

No way Gloria settles for less then 50%, think it's 55 million for poaching 5 MWC teams? 50% gets the MWC 27.5 million in addition to the 85 million in exit fees and 14 million from withheld distribution:

-50 Million for UNLV and Air Force (25 each)

-Could give a 7.5 Million Dollar Bonus payment to other 5 MWC members for another 37.5 million.

Still leaves around 39 Million left over to rebuild the MWC, with that money they could do a good amount. Ideally/wishful thinking to help cover FCS move up fees or cover other teams exit fees:

Montana and MSU: 10 Million 

UTEP + NMSU: 10 Million? (Don't know CUSA exit Fees so guessing high) 

Sac State: 5 million

Would be a total of 25 million still leaving 14 Million for the MWC to use. They will not Settle for less then 50%, hell with how weak the PACs case is it may be worth holding out to get the full amount.

[lakesbison]

wtf would MWC take any poor montana schools ?

NDSU has the money and Fargo to Denver flights daily so you have travel partner with Air Force.  

NDSU might still be in the running for the PAC, so the MWC better get moving on them.

[utgrizfan]

On 9/26/2024 at 7:28 AM, lakesbison said:

wtf would MWC take any poor montana schools ?

NDSU has the money and Fargo to Denver flights daily so you have travel partner with Air Force.  

NDSU might still be in the running for the PAC, so the MWC better get moving on them.

Considering there would be a good number of Western/PTZ teams who wouldn’t want to go to Minnesota for a Conference game I think some poorer much more regionally friendly Montana schools would be better.

[NevadaFan]

On 9/25/2024 at 11:38 PM, utgrizfan said:

Did you mean to quote me? The guy is full of Copium

No. The guy from Oregon, ironically on a MWC board, talking about how well OSU has done as this mess has unfolded. Misery loves company I guess. 

[SteedLaw]

On 9/26/2024 at 1:29 AM, TrueAg said:

I think you'll see the PAC make a new offer to Memphis now. Instead of 2.5M to four AAC schools, they pool that money and offer it all to Memphis only. Maybe even up to half their exit fees if necesary.

Gonzaga is already joining once the 8th full football school is announced. That makes for a hell of a hoops conference.

BTW, for anyone who hasn't watched. This is an excellent breakdown of why Memphis (or anyone with an invite) should join the PAC.

 

This is not going to end well for UNLV and Air Force. 

The PAC has made it clear they are rebuilding with or without you. 

Already, talks are being had with Hawaii, Wyoming , New Mexico, San Jose, Texas Stare, Tulsa, North Texas, UTEP, and Nevada.  UCONN and Gonzaga are also still in play. 

What in the world was Gloria thinking? What did she think she would gain by offering 25-30 mil to UNLV and Air Force, but pretty much nothing to the others. 

This is looking more and more like the MWC is going to dissolve and AFA and UNLV will be the ones without a landing spot. 

Just nuts. 

[RebelRobert]

Be smart! think.

Whoever merges first wins!

AAC/MWC

AAC/PAC

MWC/PAC

Dont race to add any schools!

MERGE! Now

Call the AAC and let’s get this done for 2027.