southfresno Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 With all the fees they're paying, the PAC couldn't afford more than 4. They're expecting any future applicant to pay for all of their fees themselves. Or to get 2 from NOT the mountain west. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 The MW media deal will not be great but with infusion of about $14 million per team we will be alright. We will have to take the Sun Belt route and just win baby. Adding the 2 Montana's if they are willing to invest the kind of money needed and New Mexico St plus 1 other. Maybe North Dakota St. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southfresno Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Do not just reflexively add NMSU and UTEP. The Mountain West needs to really think about their strategy. It could mean Montanas or Dakotas, or California schools or yes, NMSU and UTEP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southfresno Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 So where's that PAC12 board mugtang bought? Is that still around? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 On 9/11/2024 at 10:53 PM, southfresno said: So where's that PAC12 board mugtang bought? Is that still around? https://www.wcsboard.com/index.php?/forum/8-sports-forum/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Seems like the riskiest move the Pac 2 could make. With potential movement coming in the near future the 2 could be left holding the bag. We keep hearing the the most desirable G-5 schools left in the west are San Diego St, UNLV, Colorado St and Boise St, OSU and WSU are rarely mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver-Poke Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Gotta stay current. Unless those Freedom Caucus idiots in the legislature succeed in destroying the university, I could see the Pokes ponying up the buyout money themselves and petitioning the Pac-2 to join. No point in renovating the WAR to play in a lesser league than we're already in. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Did I hear a WOOSH? Posted September 12 Author Share Posted September 12 On 9/12/2024 at 1:40 AM, Someone Else said: And they said this would never happen. Will be announced tomorrow. Would and should are completely different in this case. Details are fuzzy at this stage but one thing we know to be true is the next time the PAC gets something right it’ll be the first time. This doesn’t seem smart with what’s out there right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosegreen Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 On 9/11/2024 at 10:53 PM, southfresno said: So where's that PAC12 board mugtang bought? Is that still around? It’s been renamed to something else because they thought a rebrand would help poach more members from here to there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Did I hear a WOOSH? Posted September 12 Author Share Posted September 12 On 9/12/2024 at 2:20 AM, Beaver-Poke said: Gotta stay current. Unless those Freedom Caucus idiots in the legislature succeed in destroying the university, I could see the Pokes ponying up the buyout money themselves and petitioning the Pac-2 to join. No point in renovating the WAR to play in a lesser league than we're already in. So you guys are giving the MWC $43m plus as much as another $72m just to buy out Boise, csu, sdsu, and Fresno? How are you going to pay them starting in ‘26? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosegreen Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 On 9/11/2024 at 11:40 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said: So you guys are giving the MWC $43m plus as much as another $72m just to buy out Boise, csu, sdsu, and Fresno? How are you going to pay them starting in ‘26? His scenario is Wyoming will pay to join. The current invitees will be helped by the pac2, which is sitting on cash and assets from the previous iteration of the pac12. They can afford it. This scenario has been repeatedly spoken in this thread and most people refused to accept it. by the way, this also means the pac2 has a media partner to help with the buildout of the new iteration of the conference. I guarantee you the media (probably CW) picked the four schools they liked best. All have decent markets sans Boise (which is more of a national brand tbh). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Did I hear a WOOSH? Posted September 12 Author Share Posted September 12 On 9/12/2024 at 2:55 AM, Rosegreen said: His scenario is Wyoming will pay to join. The current invitees will be helped by the pac2, which is sitting on cash and assets from the previous iteration of the pac12. They can afford it. This scenario has been repeatedly spoken in this thread and most people refused to accept it. by the way, this also means the pac2 has a media partner to help with the buildout of the new iteration of the conference. I guarantee you the media (probably CW) picked the four schools they liked best. All have decent markets sans Boise (which is more of a national brand tbh). It’s been repeatedly spoken about but without much in the way of logic to have it be a credible discussion. Wyo won’t pay to join if the others don’t have to, but that’s irrelevant to my question. The PAC is going to spend $115m just to buyout four schools, money they don’t really have because it’s all buyout money, mostly earmarked for things like operations, marketing, production, etc… the question is how do they pay their schools starting in ‘26? Beyond the buyout… 4 schools isn’t enough to even qualify as a conference, much less secure a media deal as a conference. What are they going to do-add two independent football schools so they don’t have to spend any more on buyouts? No school from the AAC is going to pay money to join a new PAC, even if they had the prospect of a deal in the works, particularly if Boise/fresno/etc don’t have to. They’ll just stay where they’re at and say good luck adding independents or CUSA schools to the PAC. What this actually tells me is the opposite of what you’re saying: that the PAC was unable to secure a media deal and that in order to get one they’ll have to undercut the MWC essentially for their next one. That’s the only reason why they’d spend the last of their dollars just to buy out schools: to hastily hope that they can take the money that was going to the MWC by going to market with their product first. They are trying to Brett Yormark the MWC but all the MWC has to do is open up their media negotiations early and lock down their contingency. This actually seems more likely given the timing following the MWC announcement last week that they wouldn’t be renewing the scheduling agreement next season. This feels like hasty butthurtednness by the PAC right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couz808 Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Curious if MWC will invite Hawaii as a full member since they will only have 7 members for Olympic sports? With this breakup, I don’t see Gonzaga wanting to join the MWC now. As a Hawaii fan, I’m also having second thoughts about the Olympics sports being in the MWC and big west has treated us well and it’s a very stable conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawaiiMongoose Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 On 9/11/2024 at 7:52 PM, southfresno said: Do not just reflexively add NMSU and UTEP. The Mountain West needs to really think about their strategy. It could mean Montanas or Dakotas, or California schools or yes, NMSU and UTEP. The conference doesn't have the luxury of dawdling. If it waits around there could be more departures and every departure will make it harder to convince new members to join, leading to a WAC-like death spiral. NMSU and UTEP should be invited tomorrow. The Montanas are the next logical target but will need more time to consider making the move up to FBS. The MWC should encourage them to do so and if necessary offer them some money to help with their transition costs. Cash shouldn't be a problem in the short run with close to $120 million in total due from the Pac and the defectors. That will restore football membership to 12, which should be enough to ensure the MWC's continuing survival even if the Pac comes back later to poach a couple more schools and/or Air Force jumps to the AAC. It's fine to take more time to consider the Dakotas, Sac State, UC Davis, and Idaho, but only after the continuing viability of the MWC is assured. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southfresno Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 You definitely have to add someone. But why UTEP? NMSU is fine to pair with unm, but you don't need 3 teams in that area. If you get one of the norcal schools, you can pair them with sjsu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickp1991 Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Might be time for Long Beach St to resurrect their football program and join the PAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blunderbuss Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 I'm really shocked that UNLV isn't included here. I believe the minimum for baseball is 6 teams. Right now there would only be 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blunderbuss Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 On 9/12/2024 at 4:11 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said: No school from the AAC is going to pay money to join a new PAC, I disagree. I could see western newbie AAC schools leaving. They aren't getting a full TV payout and they're not eligible for the UCF, Houston, Cincy and UConn (if still applicable) buyouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughrider Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 On 9/12/2024 at 2:11 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said: It’s been repeatedly spoken about but without much in the way of logic to have it be a credible discussion. Wyo won’t pay to join if the others don’t have to, but that’s irrelevant to my question. The PAC is going to spend $115m just to buyout four schools, money they don’t really have because it’s all buyout money, mostly earmarked for things like operations, marketing, production, etc… the question is how do they pay their schools starting in ‘26? Beyond the buyout… 4 schools isn’t enough to even qualify as a conference, much less secure a media deal as a conference. What are they going to do-add two independent football schools so they don’t have to spend any more on buyouts? No school from the AAC is going to pay money to join a new PAC, even if they had the prospect of a deal in the works, particularly if Boise/fresno/etc don’t have to. They’ll just stay where they’re at and say good luck adding independents or CUSA schools to the PAC. What this actually tells me is the opposite of what you’re saying: that the PAC was unable to secure a media deal and that in order to get one they’ll have to undercut the MWC essentially for their next one. That’s the only reason why they’d spend the last of their dollars just to buy out schools: to hastily hope that they can take the money that was going to the MWC by going to market with their product first. They are trying to Brett Yormark the MWC but all the MWC has to do is open up their media negotiations early and lock down their contingency. This actually seems more likely given the timing following the MWC announcement last week that they wouldn’t be renewing the scheduling agreement next season. This feels like hasty butthurtednness by the PAC right now. The PAC2 are up for as much as $43M to the MWC, the rest is technically up to each school leaving the MWC. The story I read suggests the Pac6 will decide who the next 2 to add are. and only state politics holding UNLV back by tying them to Nevada makes any sense why UNLV isn't a part of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super six Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 https://x.com/rltsports/status/1834217089290437021?s=61&t=7BgyBqJyAI4_qG0rLkOo8A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...