wolf from 73 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 9/2/2024 at 12:17 PM, Someone Else said: From the article.... """As part of their settlement with the 10 departed schools, Washington State and Oregon State are withholding a total of $65 million in campus distributions. That cash could be used to pay all, or a portion of the poaching penalty.""" Hmmm.. never say never. As stated many times before the poaching fee to the Pac-2 would be about 65 million for 6 schools but that does not include the exit fee for the departing schools which would be 17-34 million or more for each of the departing schools. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utgrizfan Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 9/2/2024 at 1:41 PM, wolf from 73 said: As stated many times before the poaching fee to the Pac-2 would be about 65 million for 6 schools but that does not include the exit fee for the departing schools which would be 17-34 million or more for each of the departing schools. 65 million plus whatever the total for exit fees will be (I could see maybe some negotiating for a settled #) the remaining MWC schools would have plenty of $$ to bring in some FCS schools (could pay all or half of the new Move Up Fee) plus the all but automatic adds of UTEP and NMSU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughrider Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 9/2/2024 at 12:37 PM, utgrizfan said: I see Air Force as only one of a few options for the as the 6th school personally, their Oly sports struggle in the MWC, they've mentioned wanting more games in Texas and CSU already brings the Colorado market. To get the max amount of $$ possible they're going to have to target Markets: SJSU: Bay Area, 8th Utah State: SLC, 27th New Mexico: Albuquerque: 49th Hawaii: Honolulu, 68th, *New TZ, Extra Game, New Stadium* Depending on a few factors I wouldn't be surprised if any of the above teams were chosen instead of Air Force, all comes down to who brings the most $$. All good points but in the end it's hope for a national appeal if they rebuild. Service academies have an edge there IMO. TV execs never bit on SJSU or USU owning any of that big local tv market and I don't see what's changed to make them now. But if they were building like the B12 was/is and looking to be the best hoops conference in the west then UNM would be close to a lock or should be IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 9/2/2024 at 12:35 PM, wolf from 73 said: Pac-12, Mountain West ‘too far apart’ as negotiations over 2025 scheduling partnership break down Jon Wilner Sep. 1, 2024 at 9:25 pm The Sunday deadline for the Pac-12 and Mountain West to extend their football scheduling partnership came and went without a deal. Don’t expect them to revisit talks at a later date, either. An agreement for the 2025 season “isn’t happening at all,” according to a source familiar with the discussions. The sides are simply “too far apart.” Instead, Washington State and Oregon State are exploring other options to complete their 2025 schedules. However, the source cautioned that the lack of a deal with the Mountain West did not indicate a partnership with the ACC or Big 12 — or any other league, for that matter — was imminent. Nor does the breakdown in talks rule out the possibility of a longer-term merger, in some form, between the Pac-12 and the Mountain West. “Don’t rule out something for 2026 and beyond,” the source added. Washington State and Oregon State are operating as a two-team conference for the 2024-25 seasons, based on the NCAA’s two-year grace period for conferences depleted by realignment. By the summer of 2026, the Cougars and Beavers must join another conference or rebuild the Pac-12 to at least eight schools. The scheduling partnership with the Mountain West provides both WSU and OSU with six games (three home, three away) for the 2024 season. In exchange for the competition, the Pac-12 schools will pay the Mountain West approximately $15 million, which includes an administrative fee, participation fee and scheduling fee (for each game in Pullman and Corvallis). The contract does not include a fee structure for the 2025 season. The payments would have been negotiated all over again, the source said. But the financial piece wasn’t the only hurdle. Extending the agreement into 2025 didn’t fit smoothly within the Pac-12’s long-haul strategic plan, which leans heavily into remaining as flexible as possible — in case of additional realignment — and preserving the cash to act on any opportunities. As part of their settlement with the 10 departed schools, Washington State and Oregon State are withholding a total of $65 million in campus distributions. That cash could be used to pay all, or a portion of the poaching penalty. Additionally, the Cougars and Beavers have more than $150 million in assets at their disposal (over the course of several years) from the Pac-12’s postseason football and basketball contracts. “There will be some of those funds set aside that, as different scenarios emerge, we do have some resources available to us for our strategic priorities moving forward and whatever we might need to do to support our conference affiliation strategy,” Pac-12 commissioner Teresa Gould said recently on ‘Canzano and Wilner: The Podcast.’ For next season, the Cougars and Beavers are exploring a plethora of options and need a total of 12 games (combined) to fill out their schedules. At this point, WSU has six opponents lined up for next season: North Texas, San Diego State, Idaho, Washington, Virginia and Oregon State. The Beavers also have six under contract: Cal, Fresno State, Houston, Texas Tech and Oregon, plus Washington State. Jon Wilner: jwilner@bayareanewsgroup.com In those negotiations you can bet that Gloria covered all here bases and the Pac-2 potential options. My guess is that she is eliminating their options and will try to give them no choice but to join the MWC. If more than 3 MW schools are on board it will probably work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobraska Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 It will be interesting to see what the delta would be between the MW's next TV deal and what a reconstituted PAC's TV deal would be. The PAC's would obviously be higher, but how much? Would it be worth all of the money and trouble for all of the PAC schools? They will be ahead but they will all still be G6 schools. I think it will probably be worth it to those schools' administrations. I don't really give a shit at this point. Wyoming will play football in some conference in 2026 and I will watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelRobert Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 9/2/2024 at 2:41 PM, wolf from 73 said: As stated many times before the poaching fee to the Pac-2 would be about 65 million for 6 schools but that does not include the exit fee for the departing schools which would be 17-34 million or more for each of the departing schools. Everything is negotiable. You will get what we negotiate to give you, if anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelRobert Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 PAC-10 UNLV SDSU Oregon State Washington State Boise State Fresno State Colorado State New Mexico Hawaii (Football Only) Gonzaga (All Sports but Football) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 9/2/2024 at 1:09 PM, RebelRobert said: Everything is negotiable. You will get what we negotiate to give you, if anything. You will give us 34 million each and not a penny less. No negotiations! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelRobert Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 9/2/2024 at 3:12 PM, wolf from 73 said: You will give us 34 million each and not a penny less. No negotiations! Watch and learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Nevada and Wyoming need to finalize their 2025 football season and not help out the Pac-2. We are the only remaining MW teams that have 1 available game left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 9/2/2024 at 1:14 PM, RebelRobert said: Watch and learn. Raid your piggy bank, cash in your stocks and bonds then mortgage all your assets then you can give us an IOU for the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelRobert Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 9/2/2024 at 3:21 PM, wolf from 73 said: Raid your piggy bank, cash in your stocks and bonds then mortgage all your assets then you can give us an IOU for the rest. Prepare thy anus for you G5 playoff that your clown conference commish is setting up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone Else Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 2 hours ago, wolf from 73 said: As stated many times before the poaching fee to the Pac-2 would be about 65 million for 6 schools but that does not include the exit fee for the departing schools which would be 17-34 million or more for each of the departing schools. I'm well aware. If you don't think that statement from the article means something then that's fine. I think it's a major thing. Sure there will be other fees but that kind of takes care of half of it doesn't it? And who knows what the actual fees might be for exiting the conference (should it happen). Like I said above, and got blasted about, for a measly 6 million dollars that 17 mil (or 34 mil) seems very excessive. yes, I am aware that everyone agreed to it. that doesn't mean it will happen exactly that way. jmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone Else Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 I'll also mention this. Is everyone in the MWC going to agree to opt-in on this House settlement issue? If not, that may create problems for the stability of the conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobraska Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 9/2/2024 at 4:19 PM, Someone Else said: I'll also mention this. Is everyone in the MWC going to agree to opt-in on this House settlement issue? If not, that may create problems for the stability of the conference. I think everyone will, but we will see. The article also said this so it really went over every possible scenario. I do think that the PAC 2 is doing everything they can to not merge though. Nor does the breakdown in talks rule out the possibility of a longer-term merger, in some form, between the Pac-12 and the Mountain West. “Don’t rule out something for 2026 and beyond,” the source added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteedLaw Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 9/2/2024 at 4:31 PM, Wyobraska said: I think everyone will, but we will see. The article also said this so it really went over every possible scenario. I do think that the PAC 2 is doing everything they can to not merge though. Nor does the breakdown in talks rule out the possibility of a longer-term merger, in some form, between the Pac-12 and the Mountain West. “Don’t rule out something for 2026 and beyond,” the source added. What it means is that the MWC has all the leverage now, the PAC-2 have none (as in zero). They are already past the due date to schedule teams for 2025. Their ONLY option is to reverse merge or join the MWC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobraska Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 9/2/2024 at 5:04 PM, SteedLaw said: What it means is that the MWC has all the leverage now, the PAC-2 have none (as in zero). They are already past the due date to schedule teams for 2025. Their ONLY option is to reverse merge or join the MWC. They could still try to build back up the PAC if they find enough teams willing. They just need to decide soon though because you know it will be a drawn out legal battle over the MW teams exit fees. I could see SDSU and BSU willing to roll the dice, can they find others who are also willing to take the gamble? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelRobert Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 9/2/2024 at 6:04 PM, SteedLaw said: What it means is that the MWC has all the leverage now, the PAC-2 have none (as in zero). They are already past the due date to schedule teams for 2025. Their ONLY option is to reverse merge or join the MWC. They likely already have a scheduling agreement in place with the ACC for 2025 and have agreements in place for several MWC schools to join the PAC-10 in 2026. Use your brains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudleyDgroot Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 On 9/2/2024 at 4:42 PM, RebelRobert said: They likely already have a scheduling agreement in place with the ACC for 2025 and have agreements in place for several MWC schools to join the PAC-10 in 2026. Use your brains. Something you rarely do..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someone Else Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 3 hours ago, Wyobraska said: I think everyone will, but we will see. The article also said this so it really went over every possible scenario. I do think that the PAC 2 is doing everything they can to not merge though. Nor does the breakdown in talks rule out the possibility of a longer-term merger, in some form, between the Pac-12 and the Mountain West. “Don’t rule out something for 2026 and beyond,” the source added. I'd be surprised if everyone will. Maybe, I suppose, but there are a few schools who don't really have the money for that and probably a couple who do have the money but won't see the point in doing so. Of course, I have no idea what any school will do and also no clue what actually will happen. I just see it as a big mess that won't really end well for many of the non-P4 schools. jmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
