CKS007 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Matt Brown released this article today. It talks about the PAC and the Mountain West. There is also speculation about the WAC. Here's why I expect conference realignment to slow down in the near future (extrapointsmb.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Did I hear a WOOSH? Posted August 13 Author Share Posted August 13 On 7/30/2024 at 9:43 PM, Nevada Convert said: I’m not going to lie, that was pretty hurtful. I really don’t know what to do now. You are not dumb nor comparable to a box of rocks, consider the source of the attack before letting it get to you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Did I hear a WOOSH? Posted August 13 Author Share Posted August 13 On 8/12/2024 at 7:31 PM, CKS007 said: Matt Brown released this article today. It talks about the PAC and the Mountain West. There is also speculation about the WAC. Here's why I expect conference realignment to slow down in the near future (extrapointsmb.com) Well he’s right about the courts determining the pace with which this gets done..not sure about the rest of it though. He must be a P2 guy because he’s assigning leverage to those schools that they don’t have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 On 8/12/2024 at 11:08 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said: You are not dumb nor comparable to a box of rocks, consider the source of the attack before letting it get to you.. I know, I was just joking. He’s a dick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalsean Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Quote It’s not exactly a state secret for what the remaining Pac-2 schools want. They want to be in a league that can pay out financial distributions similar to what they enjoyed in the Pac-12, with power conference level championship access and prestige. That's somehow different than any other G5? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 Pac-12 Rebuild: How Will CFB Conference Realignment Affect Mountain West & Pac-12 Football Teams?ttps://herosports.com/fbs-pac-12-rebuild-cfb-conference-realignment-mountain-west-football-cpcp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 On 8/15/2024 at 11:15 AM, wolf from 73 said: Pac-12 Rebuild: How Will CFB Conference Realignment Affect Mountain West & Pac-12 Football Teams?ttps://herosports.com/fbs-pac-12-rebuild-cfb-conference-realignment-mountain-west-football-cpcp/ Pure garbage article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalsean Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 Quote Would that even make sense for the Mountain West teams involved? Those teams in a league like that are reportedly believed to have a shot of making between $7 million and $10 million per team every year in a media rights deal, per a story by John Canzano, which would be more than the roughly $4 million per year the Mountain West is currently getting. Which oddly enough is what MWC teams are projected to get in their new media contract if we stay put. Huh... what are the odds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 On 8/15/2024 at 3:48 PM, Nevada Convert said: Pure garbage article. Did you read it? If so how and what is garbage about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 The new College Football Playoff is here. Are more changes coming in the near future?https://sports.yahoo.com/the-new-college-football-playoff-is-here-are-more-changes-coming-in-the-near-future-120010322.html?guccounter=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalsean Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 A NIT type G5 playoff system would certainly be more interesting to watch than dozens of bowl games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobraska Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 On 8/15/2024 at 7:31 PM, wolf from 73 said: Did you read it? If so how and what is garbage about it. No mention of the buyouts really. No mention of the agreement that the PAC 12 would have to pay the MW. It just rehashed some old talking points and things that have already been reported and then threw some MW schools over to the PAC 12 without any discussion of what the reality of how that would happen. It wasn't well researched and it was pretty much a fluff piece. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 On 8/15/2024 at 8:58 PM, Wyobraska said: No mention of the buyouts really. No mention of the agreement that the PAC 12 would have to pay the MW. It just rehashed some old talking points and things that have already been reported and then threw some MW schools over to the PAC 12 without any discussion of what the reality of how that would happen. It wasn't well researched and it was pretty much a fluff piece. If you would have read the whole article you would have read the following. "If one Mountain West team went to the Pac-12, the Pac-12 would pay $10 million. Two schools would be $20.5 million, four would be $43 million, five would be $55 million, and six would be $67.5 million.." Additionally "Mountain West teams would have to pay $17 million each if any one of them left the conference with a one-year notice. Any notice less than that amount of time, then the fee would jump to $34 million." It is true that these stipulations in the contracts have been mentioned many times before but some seem to forget or are not aware of these and keep claiming that the Pac-2 will poach from the MWC. Not going to happen and it would seem that the reverse merger is off the table as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobraska Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 On 8/15/2024 at 10:05 PM, wolf from 73 said: If you would have read the whole article you would have read the following. "If one Mountain West team went to the Pac-12, the Pac-12 would pay $10 million. Two schools would be $20.5 million, four would be $43 million, five would be $55 million, and six would be $67.5 million.." Additionally "Mountain West teams would have to pay $17 million each if any one of them left the conference with a one-year notice. Any notice less than that amount of time, then the fee would jump to $34 million." It is true that these stipulations in the contracts have been mentioned many times before but some seem to forget or are not aware of these and keep claiming that the Pac-2 will poach from the MWC. Not going to happen and it would seem that the reverse merger is off the table as well. I thought that was a different article. Weird format on that website 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 https://x.com/Ros Ross Dellenger @RossDellenger · Mar 31, 2020 When you hear things from ADs like "football allows us to have other sports," this is what they mean. Take #LSU. Here are profit/loss numbers from each LSU sport in the 2016-17 cycle, from my time as a beat writer. - Football: $56M in profit - Other sports: ~$23M in losses sDellenger/status/1245087809440026624 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecSU Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 On 8/16/2024 at 12:28 AM, wolf from 73 said: https://x.com/Ros Ross Dellenger @RossDellenger · Mar 31, 2020 When you hear things from ADs like "football allows us to have other sports," this is what they mean. Take #LSU. Here are profit/loss numbers from each LSU sport in the 2016-17 cycle, from my time as a beat writer. - Football: $56M in profit - Other sports: ~$23M in losses sDellenger/status/1245087809440026624 lol, this is so stupid. Plenty of schools arent turning major profits and still supporting sports. The idea that a college athletic department is profit driven is a rather new idea that came in the last 20 or so years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alum93 Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 On 8/16/2024 at 1:28 AM, wolf from 73 said: https://x.com/Ros Ross Dellenger @RossDellenger · Mar 31, 2020 When you hear things from ADs like "football allows us to have other sports," this is what they mean. Take #LSU. Here are profit/loss numbers from each LSU sport in the 2016-17 cycle, from my time as a beat writer. - Football: $56M in profit - Other sports: ~$23M in losses sDellenger/status/1245087809440026624 That is not indicative of most FBS programs. Neither is Ohio State. The vast majority of college programs run deficits, including football. Why? Because ADs have to win or they are pushed out, so they spend every penny and then some. It is what it is. We should all be so lucky if our football programs were anywhere in the same universe as LSU football as far as revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 On 8/16/2024 at 1:46 PM, alum93 said: That is not indicative of most FBS programs. Neither is Ohio State. The vast majority of college programs run deficits, including football. Why? Because ADs have to win or they are pushed out, so they spend every penny and then some. It is what it is. We should all be so lucky if our football programs were anywhere in the same universe as LSU football as far as revenue. This is the most current that I could find and it shows that the majority break even or run a small deficit or profit except the Big-10 and SEC where most show a profit in spite of substantial expenditures. NCAA Finances: Revenue and Expenses by School Updated 7:05 am ET Mar 14, 2024 https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilPoke Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 On 8/15/2024 at 10:05 PM, wolf from 73 said: If you would have read the whole article you would have read the following. "If one Mountain West team went to the Pac-12, the Pac-12 would pay $10 million. Two schools would be $20.5 million, four would be $43 million, five would be $55 million, and six would be $67.5 million.." Additionally "Mountain West teams would have to pay $17 million each if any one of them left the conference with a one-year notice. Any notice less than that amount of time, then the fee would jump to $34 million." It is true that these stipulations in the contracts have been mentioned many times before but some seem to forget or are not aware of these and keep claiming that the Pac-2 will poach from the MWC. Not going to happen and it would seem that the reverse merger is off the table as well. The next key date is July 1, 2025. If the Pac-2 haven't convinced some schools to join them by then, it's much less likely after that - unless the Pac-2 want to shell out more of their war chest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gasherbrum Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 On 8/16/2024 at 8:07 PM, wolf from 73 said: This is the most current that I could find and it shows that the majority break even or run a small deficit or profit except the Big-10 and SEC where most show a profit in spite of substantial expenditures. NCAA Finances: Revenue and Expenses by School Updated 7:05 am ET Mar 14, 2024 https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances The USA Today report has good data, but its total revenue per school includes school funds (I.e. subsidies) and student fees which is why it appears most athletic departments break even. If you back out the school funding and student fees you’ll see that only 45 to 50 of the biggest schools make money or break even, and the remaining 300 + of the 362 total NCAA I schools lose money, some with significant annual deficits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
