Conference Realignment thread

[dudleyDgroot]

On 7/28/2024 at 8:23 AM, Wyobraska said:

Wilner thinks TV ratings should matter. 

Wilner is a hack.....

[Nevada Convert]

On 7/28/2024 at 10:31 AM, dudleyDgroot said:

Wilner is a hack.....

Wilner needs to create options for more drama. It’s in his best interest that a rebuild of the PAC with 5 or 6 MWC schools be completely in play. That’s great drama that a writers needs to make money for his employer. 

Without a complete meltdown of the ACC, and it looks more and more like that’s not going to happen, there’s about 0.1% chance a MWC poaching occurs. 

[SteedLaw]

On 7/29/2024 at 1:39 AM, Nevada Convert said:

Wilner needs to create options for more drama. It’s in his best interest that a rebuild of the PAC with 5 or 6 MWC schools be completely in play. That’s great drama that a writers needs to make money for his employer. 

Without a complete meltdown of the ACC, and it looks more and more like that’s not going to happen, there’s about 0.1% chance a MWC poaching occurs. 

This^^^^

There is not going to be a breakup in the ACC anytime within the next 12 months...could even be much longer than that and it might never happen. Even if there were to be an ACC breakup, OSU and WSU are nowhere even near the top of the list to join the ACC.

WSU and OSU are only hurting themselves and what remains of the PAC brand by continuing to hold out and refusing to quickly effectuate a reverse merger with the MWC.

[Bronco7454]

On 7/26/2024 at 5:24 PM, utenation said:

Man. You are dumber than a box of rocks.  Why would any power team schedule Hawaii in late November?  Both schools are playing their conference schedules even if they aren’t competing for a conference title dummy.  So they cut out of conference play to “go on vacation”? JFC. 
 

Hawaiimongoose just told you a game like that hasn’t been played for 15 years. Do you understand this number?
 

I honestly didn’t think you’re this dumb. I guess I was wrong. 

How often does Nevada play OOC games “ in winter”?

You must enjoy conversing with someone who is "dumber than a box of rocks" (as you put it) as you continue to engage him in conversation over, and over and over and over and over again.   If that were NOT the case then you would have added him to your IGNORE list a very long time ago.   As I did.   Some people just go about proving - on a daily basis - that they don't have the intelligence of the average garden hose.   If you CHOOSE to waste your time "conversing" with these people what does that say about you?

[Nevada Convert]

On 7/30/2024 at 8:37 AM, Bronco7454 said:

You must enjoy conversing with someone who is "dumber than a box of rocks" (as you put it) as you continue to engage him in conversation over, and over and over and over and over again.   If that were NOT the case then you would have added him to your IGNORE list a very long time ago.   As I did.   Some people just go about proving - on a daily basis - that they don't have the intelligence of the average garden hose.   If you CHOOSE to waste your time "conversing" with these people what does that say about you?

I’m not going to lie, that was pretty hurtful. I really don’t know what to do now. 

[EvilPoke]

The $60 million number keeps popping up as a 'threshold' for Pac-12 admittance - they all cite Canzano as the source - but I don't know if that's his opinion/speculation or he has a source for that number?

Anyone see anything even remotely official?

[EvilPoke]

Nevada Sports Net story

On a side note, as a Pac-12 member, W/OSU got $33.6M from the conference.

MW schools got $5M - except for Boise's 7.

If you take out distribution - O/WSU is still in the top half for spending (roughly $65 & 57M), - along with Air Force, SDSU, CSU, UNLV. That's followed by Boise $51, Hawaii $47, Fresno $46, USU $46, Nevada $44, Wyoming $43.

UNM and SJSU data is not available on the site below -

BTW - I understand that less revenue doesn't necessarily mean less spending, but it does help when comparing apples to apples.

(Also - Wyo has no debt and spent $2M less than it made last year.)

Knight Newhouse Data

I think my numbers are right based off the story/site - if I'm way off, let me know and I will update.

[Chalsean]

On 7/30/2024 at 9:25 PM, EvilPoke said:

The $60 million number keeps popping up as a 'threshold' for Pac-12 admittance - they all cite Canzano as the source - but I don't know if that's his opinion/speculation or he has a source for that number?

Anyone see anything even remotely official?

Its from the legal papers between MWC/P2 when they signed the football schedule agreement.  Poaching 6 schools is roughly $65 million if I recall.  That does not include what those schools would need to pay in exit fees ($17-$34 million a pop).  Which if P2 are not covering exit fees, nobody is going to move over.

 

https://nevadasportsnet.com/news/reporters/inside-the-mountain-west-pac-12-contract-why-it-could-cost-oregon-state-washington-state-nearly-140m-to-poach-mw

[Wyobraska]

On 7/31/2024 at 4:00 PM, Chalsean said:

Its from the legal papers between MWC/P2 when they signed the football schedule agreement.  Poaching 6 schools is roughly $65 million if I recall.  That does not include what those schools would need to pay in exit fees ($17-$34 million a pop).  Which if P2 are not covering exit fees, nobody is going to move over.

 

https://nevadasportsnet.com/news/reporters/inside-the-mountain-west-pac-12-contract-why-it-could-cost-oregon-state-washington-state-nearly-140m-to-poach-mw

He's talking about an article Canzano wrote that said all athletic departments in the PAC 12 should have a $60 million minimum budget.  Schools below $60 million would not be admitted.  It was purely Canzano's idea in my opinion and dumb for a lot of reasons.  

[Wyobraska]

On 7/30/2024 at 9:25 PM, EvilPoke said:

The $60 million number keeps popping up as a 'threshold' for Pac-12 admittance - they all cite Canzano as the source - but I don't know if that's his opinion/speculation or he has a source for that number?

Anyone see anything even remotely official?

I believe that is purely Canzano's idea.  Not a good one either in my opinion 

[Chalsean]

On 7/31/2024 at 4:27 PM, Wyobraska said:

He's talking about an article Canzano wrote that said all athletic departments in the PAC 12 should have a $60 million minimum budget.  Schools below $60 million would not be admitted.  It was purely Canzano's idea in my opinion and dumb for a lot of reasons.  

ah, my bad

[EvilPoke]

Do the Pac-12 funds get redistributed between the 12 teams if W/OSU can't get four teams to join them - or is it now theirs since the other schools have officially left? 

[Gasherbrum]

It’s my understanding that the funds are all Wazzu’s & OSU’s since the other 10 schools are members of other conferences and no longer with the PAC-12.

So theoretically they could vote to dissolve the conference and take the funds. But their current intent is to rebuild the conference, full reverse merger with the MWC really makes the most sense.

[Beaver-Poke]

On 7/31/2024 at 7:36 PM, EvilPoke said:

Do the Pac-12 funds get redistributed between the 12 teams if W/OSU can't get four teams to join them - or is it now theirs since the other schools have officially left? 

OSU/WSU need another six teams, by the 2026-27 academic year, to remain recognized as a conference by the NCAA. I have heard lately they are negotiating for a one-year waiver, which would push the drop-dead date back to the 2027-28 academic year. The fate of the ACC, and the ensuing fallout, should be clear by that date and OSU/WSU will have a better picture of their viable options.

(There are rumors out that ESPN is encouraging the Big 12 to take another look at OSU/WSU, but I think this is BS. If the Big 12 wanted us, they would have taken us a year ago when the league imploded. They certainly would not admit OSU/WSU as a full partner. Joining some far-flung, declining league with teams in Ohio, West Virginia and Florida at 30 cents on the dollar makes no sense.)

OSU/WSU receive all the Pac-12 funds until such date as the conference goes out of business, if said date ever comes. They have $65 million (paid out over two years) as a parting gift from the departing teams. They have another $190 million or so in future income (Rose Bowl, NCAA men's basketball units, CFP, etc.) in the pipeline.

If the league dissolves, all future NCAA units go to the schools that earned them, through the 2029-30 season (IIRC). Other income is to be dispersed on an equal basis. The departing 10 schools are also on the hook for their share of any litigation judgements for cases filed when the league was whole. I am not sure there is any outstanding litigation, most cases have/will be resolved, the most important of which is the House settlement.

I have said all along that a reverse merger is the best option. I welcome it. Neither OSU nor WSU can realistically afford to spend millions and millions to compete with Alabama, other SEC and Big Ten schools to play top-flight football. It's financial suicide, tantamount to chasing the dragon. A 13- or 14-team, all-Western G5 league, with the Pac-12 historic, nationwide brand recognition, comparable budgets, regional travel, similar academic profiles, access to the CFP, and access to all other NCAA-championship sports via automatic conference qualification, is the way to go.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 7/29/2024 at 3:39 AM, Nevada Convert said:

Wilner needs to create options for more drama. It’s in his best interest that a rebuild of the PAC with 5 or 6 MWC schools be completely in play. That’s great drama that a writers needs to make money for his employer. 

Without a complete meltdown of the ACC, and it looks more and more like that’s not going to happen, there’s about 0.1% chance a MWC poaching occurs. 

Nobody is there to poach the mwc.  How many people outside of their fans really think osu/wsu are going to convince any school to leave a legit conference for a zombie one that has no verifiable means of revenue.

The acc is broken, just a matter of time.  There’s no going back.  The unredacted documents came out on twitter today and basically says that espn has full authority to kill the conference June 30th, 2027.  The only question now is if espn sees the acc as a worthwhile venture or an albatross that needs trimmed.  

[Gasherbrum]

On 8/1/2024 at 6:12 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

OSU/WSU need another six teams, by the 2026-27 academic year, to remain recognized as a conference by the NCAA. I have heard lately they are negotiating for a one-year waiver, which would push the drop-dead date back to the 2027-28 academic year. The fate of the ACC, and the ensuing fallout, should be clear by that date and OSU/WSU will have a better picture of their viable options.

(There are rumors out that ESPN is encouraging the Big 12 to take another look at OSU/WSU, but I think this is BS. If the Big 12 wanted us, they would have taken us a year ago when the league imploded. They certainly would not admit OSU/WSU as a full partner. Joining some far-flung, declining league with teams in Ohio, West Virginia and Florida at 30 cents on the dollar makes no sense.)

OSU/WSU receive all the Pac-12 funds until such date as the conference goes out of business, if said date ever comes. They have $65 million (paid out over two years) as a parting gift from the departing teams. They have another $190 million or so in future income (Rose Bowl, NCAA men's basketball units, CFP, etc.) in the pipeline.

If the league dissolves, all future NCAA units go to the schools that earned them, through the 2029-30 season (IIRC). Other income is to be dispersed on an equal basis. The departing 10 schools are also on the hook for their share of any litigation judgements for cases filed when the league was whole. I am not sure there is any outstanding litigation, most cases have/will be resolved, the most important of which is the House settlement.

I have said all along that a reverse merger is the best option. I welcome it. Neither OSU nor WSU can realistically afford to spend millions and millions to compete with Alabama, other SEC and Big Ten schools to play top-flight football. It's financial suicide, tantamount to chasing the dragon. A 13- or 14-team, all-Western G5 league, with the Pac-12 historic, nationwide brand recognition, comparable budgets, regional travel, similar academic profiles, access to the CFP, and access to all other NCAA-championship sports via automatic conference qualification, is the way to go.

Coug alum here and absolutely agree about the reverse merger with the MWC being the best option. Selling their souls for a slashed media share in either the Big 12 or ACC is a recipe for disaster.  Standford and Cal may already be having remorse about joining the ACC, and Washington, USC and UCLA could very likely end up joining Rutgers, Maryland and Nebraska in having a dismal Big Ten experience.  Wazzu & OSU have a great opportunity in teaming up with the MWC.

[SteedLaw]

On 8/2/2024 at 12:24 PM, Gasherbrum said:

Coug alum here and absolutely agree about the reverse merger with the MWC being the best option. Selling their souls for a slashed media share in either the Big 12 or ACC is a recipe for disaster.  Standford and Cal may already be having remorse about joining the ACC, and Washington, USC and UCLA could very likely end up joining Rutgers, Maryland and Nebraska in having a dismal Big Ten experience.  Wazzu & OSU have a great opportunity in teaming up with the MWC.

Agreed. Let’s hope that all players can wrap this up sooner than later…

[CKS007]

Jon Wilner says "Ignore the scuttlebutt" on the rumors of OSU and WSU to the Big 12.

 

https://www.mercurynews.com/2024/08/03/mailbag-big-12-door-closed-for-wsu-and-osu-washingtons-half-share-big-ten-status-cal-and-stanfords-acc-contract-term-and-more/

[wolf from 73]

One should be able to read without a pay-wall.                                                                                    https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/wsu-cougar-football/wsu-and-osu-to-big-12-speculation-uws-big-ten-share-and-more-mailbag/

[smithy]

On 8/2/2024 at 11:24 AM, Gasherbrum said:

Coug alum here and absolutely agree about the reverse merger with the MWC being the best option. Selling their souls for a slashed media share in either the Big 12 or ACC is a recipe for disaster.  Standford and Cal may already be having remorse about joining the ACC, and Washington, USC and UCLA could very likely end up joining Rutgers, Maryland and Nebraska in having a dismal Big Ten experience.  Wazzu & OSU have a great opportunity in teaming up with the MWC.

Now that the facts are coming true about Michigan sign stealing scandal and their current head coach is in trouble. Their big cash cow may be put to pasture for a few years in penalties that will really hurt the big blue in the long run. Not to mention McElwin is in big time trouble for allowing the sign stealer on the sidelines at the Central Michigan vs Michigan State game last year. Bring out the popcorn on what the NCAA is going to do next.