HawaiiMongoose Posted July 26, 2024 Share Posted July 26, 2024 On 7/26/2024 at 3:21 AM, Chalsean said: WSU is not in a power conference.. I agree. The only reason I called out that game is because the MWC conference leadership is telling the media that all of the MWC games against WSU and OSU this season should be considered games against power conference opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted July 26, 2024 Share Posted July 26, 2024 On 7/26/2024 at 3:28 AM, HawaiiMongoose said: It’s been 15 years since a power conference school played a game in Honolulu that wasn’t in August or September (Wisconsin, in December 2009). Moreover, other than this season’s Washington State game that got added to our schedule due to the MWC-Pac scheduling agreement, all of Hawaii’s currently contracted future games against power conference schools will be played in August or September: https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/hawaii/ If not for our MWC affiliate membership it would be virtually impossible for Hawaii to land home games against FBS competition that would be played later than October 1st. Yeah, but have you been trying? You guys used to be able to schedule them practically in your sleep if you wanted them. To them it’s a vacation for their fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted July 26, 2024 Share Posted July 26, 2024 On 7/26/2024 at 8:35 AM, utenation said: Convert’s comment just isn’t very smart. You typically aren’t going to see power teams playing at Hawaii in “ the winter” because they are balls deep in conference play if their season isn’t over already. OOC is mostly wrapped up in September. Not the sharpest tool in the shed. What a dumb comment. More than half of power schools never come close to competing for a conf title, and they’re just playing their schedule. Hawaii is a nice break for players and their fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted July 26, 2024 Share Posted July 26, 2024 On 7/26/2024 at 3:42 PM, Nevada Convert said: What a dumb comment. More than half of power schools never come close to competing for a conf title, and they’re just playing their schedule. Hawaii is a nice break for players and their fans. Man. You are dumber than a box of rocks. Why would any power team schedule Hawaii in late November? Both schools are playing their conference schedules even if they aren’t competing for a conference title dummy. So they cut out of conference play to “go on vacation”? JFC. Hawaiimongoose just told you a game like that hasn’t been played for 15 years. Do you understand this number? I honestly didn’t think you’re this dumb. I guess I was wrong. How often does Nevada play OOC games “ in winter”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted July 26, 2024 Share Posted July 26, 2024 On 7/26/2024 at 4:24 PM, utenation said: Man. You are dumber than a box or rocks. Why would any power team schedule Hawaii in late November? Both schools are playing their conference schedules dummy. Hawaiimongoose just told you a game like that hasn’t been played for 15 years. I honestly didn’t think you’re this dumb. I guess I was wrong. You really are a glutton for punishment, aren’t you. You call yourself a college football fan and you haven’t seen all the power school OOC games against FCS and G5’s in November? I just went down the upcoming 2024 FB schedule for the SEC, and 10 of the 16 schools have them. 2 on 11/2, 4 on 11/16, and 4 on 11/23. I just went down the ACC schedule, and there’s a bunch of November OOC games there, too. WTF?????? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 On 7/26/2024 at 5:57 PM, Nevada Convert said: You really are a glutton for punishment, aren’t you. You call yourself a college football fan and you haven’t seen all the power school OOC games against FCS and G5’s in November? I just went down the upcoming 2024 FB schedule for the SEC, and 10 of the 16 schools have them. 2 on 11/2, 4 on 11/16, and 4 on 11/23. I just went down the ACC schedule, and there’s a bunch of November OOC games there, too. WTF?????? Again. You are dumb. I never said it doesn’t happen. We are talking about Hawaii here numbnuts. The SEC is notorious for late season cupcakes. Where are all the P4 OOC games in November AT Hawaii smart guy? A Hawaii fan just told you it hasn’t happened in 15 years. Then you double down by asking but, but “You’ve been trying right”? LMAO. Your original post made it sound like this is normal for Hawaii, these “vacations” for P4s and their fans. If P4 teams are scheduling OOC cupcakes in November, that’s a home game. They don’t travel to say Hawaii or anywhere outside of their own stadium for that matter. You were only off by 15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 On 7/26/2024 at 5:35 PM, utenation said: Again. You are dumb. I never said it doesn’t happen. We are talking about Hawaii here numbnuts. The SEC is notorious for late season cupcakes. Where are all the P4 OOC games in November AT Hawaii smart guy? A Hawaii fan just told you it hasn’t happened in 15 years. Then you double down by asking but, but “You’ve been trying right”? LMAO. Your original post made it sound like this is normal for Hawaii, these “vacations” for P4s and their fans. If P4 teams are scheduling OOC cupcakes in November, that’s a home game. They don’t travel to say Hawaii or anywhere outside of their own stadium for that matter. You were only off by 15 years. Don’t lie, pussy. You said this: “Why would any power team schedule Hawaii in late November?” “So they cut out of conference play to “go on vacation”? JFC.” You were ridiculously claiming that no power school is going to want to help Hawaii out and schedule a game with them in November because they’re deeply entrenched and focused only on playing their conference schedule. You are completely full of shit. We were talking about Hawaii going Independent thus needing late season games. Hawaii’s not going to have a conference schedule if they’re Indy you retard. Pay attention. Your hole is getting deeper by the second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 On 7/25/2024 at 11:42 PM, Nevada Convert said: You guys have been able to score all kinds of big power schools at home, especially when winter starts showing up. Lol. On 7/26/2024 at 4:28 AM, HawaiiMongoose said: It’s been 15 years since a power conference school played a game in Honolulu that wasn’t in August or September (Wisconsin, in December 2009). I guess not huh? On 7/26/2024 at 3:39 PM, Nevada Convert said: Yeah, but have you been trying? You guys used to be able to schedule them practically in your sleep if you wanted them. To them it’s a vacation for their fans. But let’s double down after you were already told you were wrong. What a moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 On 7/26/2024 at 9:48 PM, utenation said: Lol. I guess not huh? But let’s double down after you were already told you were wrong. What a moron. LOL, if Hawaii went independent, they could certainly choose to host games in November if they wanted to. Schools are still up for playing November OOC games. Digging your hole even deeper, you moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawaiiMongoose Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 On 7/27/2024 at 12:31 AM, Nevada Convert said: LOL, if Hawaii went independent, they could certainly choose to host games in November if they wanted to. Schools are still up for playing November OOC games. Digging your hole even deeper, you moron. The issue is geography. Schools are not up for playing November OOC games if it requires flying 3,000-5,000 miles and crossing two to four time zones in both directions. Not with a conference game that counts in the standings scheduled for the following week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteedLaw Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 On 7/26/2024 at 6:35 PM, utenation said: Did I miss something? What would even possess Hawaii to want to go independent at this juncture? Hawaii is already part of the best league in the G5 — they have no reason to be independent. Though, I agree that if they had to, Hawaii would have a far easier time to fill is OOC schedule, even in November, than most teams. If BYU could make scheduling work as an independent for 10 years in November, then Hawaii would not have a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawaiiMongoose Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 On 7/27/2024 at 3:16 AM, SteedLaw said: Did I miss something? What would even possess Hawaii to want to go independent at this juncture? Hawaii is already part of the best league in the G5 — they have no reason to be independent. Though, I agree that if they had to, Hawaii would have a far easier time to fill is OOC schedule, even in November, than most teams. If BYU could make scheduling work as an independent for 10 years in November, then Hawaii would not have a problem. Trust me, independence is absolutely the last thing Hawaii wants. And the comparison to BYU when it was an independent isn't really valid. Provo is a relatively easy flight from anywhere in the country and no one is at risk of getting jet lagged traveling there or back. Playing at Hawaii has much more potential to affect a team's performance in its next game, which is why no coach has ever been agreeable to flying his team to the Islands with conference play still underway. I think the reason a lot of folks are under the misimpression that an independent Hawaii could "easily" book home opponents after September is that up until about fifteen years ago we typically scheduled an OOC game or two to end our regular season, usually involving at least one power conference opponent. Those games were always scheduled on the first weekend of December or Thanksgiving weekend or both. I think many older college football fans remember watching those nationally-televised match-ups against Washington, Michigan State, Alabama, Wisconsin, etc. with Aloha Stadium packed with fans and the Hawaii offense throwing the ball all over the field. However we were only able to do that because conferences hadn't yet set aside the first weekend of December for championship games, and coaches didn't mind bringing teams over to "paradise" to end the season after finishing conference play. Moreover up until 2006 teams were only playing 11 regular season games instead of 12, giving them more flexibility to wrap up conference play the week before Thanksgiving. But now all of the conferences hold championship games in early December, and Thanksgiving weekend is now the final weekend of conference play for almost everyone (as well as rivalry weekend). Consequently no one is available to play at Hawaii to finish their season. And to reiterate, no one has ever been interested in playing an OOC game here earlier in November or in October, because the travel would put them at a disadvantage in their next conference game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobraska Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 On 7/27/2024 at 7:16 AM, SteedLaw said: Did I miss something? What would even possess Hawaii to want to go independent at this juncture? Hawaii is already part of the best league in the G5 — they have no reason to be independent. Though, I agree that if they had to, Hawaii would have a far easier time to fill is OOC schedule, even in November, than most teams. If BYU could make scheduling work as an independent for 10 years in November, then Hawaii would not have a problem. I think people's dislike of BYU cloud their judgement on Independence. Very few, if any schools from the G5 would be as successful as BYU with independence because of how many LDS people are scattered around the country. Plus they travel to games. Hawaii isn't going to bring a large travel contingent to most places on the mainland so they aren't as attractive to other schools like BYU for that reason. Coaches are doing everything they can to not get fired. Going to Hawaii in November wouldn't make a coach happy. Good chance they lose two games doing that with travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brew_Poke Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 On 7/26/2024 at 3:39 PM, Nevada Convert said: Yeah, but have you been trying? You guys used to be able to schedule them practically in your sleep if you wanted them. To them it’s a vacation for their fans. I really only remember cheating schools on a bowl ban scheduling late-season winter games in Hawaii as a bowl substitute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brew_Poke Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 On 7/26/2024 at 5:57 PM, Nevada Convert said: You really are a glutton for punishment, aren’t you. You call yourself a college football fan and you haven’t seen all the power school OOC games against FCS and G5’s in November? I just went down the upcoming 2024 FB schedule for the SEC, and 10 of the 16 schools have them. 2 on 11/2, 4 on 11/16, and 4 on 11/23. I just went down the ACC schedule, and there’s a bunch of November OOC games there, too. WTF?????? Those games are all at home, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalsean Posted July 28, 2024 Share Posted July 28, 2024 On 7/27/2024 at 10:42 AM, HawaiiMongoose said: I think the reason a lot of folks are under the misimpression that an independent Hawaii could "easily" book home opponents after September is that up until about fifteen years ago we typically scheduled an OOC game or two to end our regular season, usually involving at least one power conference opponent. Those games were always scheduled on the first weekend of December or Thanksgiving weekend or both. I think many older college football fans remember watching those nationally-televised match-ups against Washington, Michigan State, Alabama, Wisconsin, etc. with Aloha Stadium packed with fans and the Hawaii offense throwing the ball all over the field. Or some folks are simply trolls and arguing with a Hawaii fan about Hawaii things like they know more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted July 28, 2024 Share Posted July 28, 2024 On 7/27/2024 at 9:42 AM, HawaiiMongoose said: Trust me, independence is absolutely the last thing Hawaii wants. And the comparison to BYU when it was an independent isn't really valid. Provo is a relatively easy flight from anywhere in the country and no one is at risk of getting jet lagged traveling there or back. Playing at Hawaii has much more potential to affect a team's performance in its next game, which is why no coach has ever been agreeable to flying his team to the Islands with conference play still underway. I think the reason a lot of folks are under the misimpression that an independent Hawaii could "easily" book home opponents after September is that up until about fifteen years ago we typically scheduled an OOC game or two to end our regular season, usually involving at least one power conference opponent. Those games were always scheduled on the first weekend of December or Thanksgiving weekend or both. I think many older college football fans remember watching those nationally-televised match-ups against Washington, Michigan State, Alabama, Wisconsin, etc. with Aloha Stadium packed with fans and the Hawaii offense throwing the ball all over the field. However we were only able to do that because conferences hadn't yet set aside the first weekend of December for championship games, and coaches didn't mind bringing teams over to "paradise" to end the season after finishing conference play. Moreover up until 2006 teams were only playing 11 regular season games instead of 12, giving them more flexibility to wrap up conference play the week before Thanksgiving. But now all of the conferences hold championship games in early December, and Thanksgiving weekend is now the final weekend of conference play for almost everyone (as well as rivalry weekend). Consequently no one is available to play at Hawaii to finish their season. And to reiterate, no one has ever been interested in playing an OOC game here earlier in November or in October, because the travel would put them at a disadvantage in their next conference game. Over half of the SEC knows before the season starts that they’re not going to come anywhere near the championship game. If you did go Independent and that particular year you couldn’t get anyone to come out, then schedule the game on the road as a pay day. You wouldn’t have a championship game being Indy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilPoke Posted July 28, 2024 Share Posted July 28, 2024 Wilner Report - says tv ratings will matter as much as department funding. We don’t have access to the Fox and CBS metrics, but San Diego State, Fresno State and Boise State are likely atop the list. The next tier probably includes Air Force, Colorado State and UNLV in some order. Beyond that, the Hotline isn’t convinced any MW schools would be value-adds for a rebuilt Pac-12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted July 28, 2024 Share Posted July 28, 2024 On 7/24/2024 at 6:14 PM, Beaver-Poke said: Production costs are low when you already have your own on-campus production studio. not when you maintain a full studio, with paying San Jose Rent for that facility and staffing it. Rent is probably close to a $million a year alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobraska Posted July 28, 2024 Share Posted July 28, 2024 On 7/28/2024 at 7:37 AM, EvilPoke said: Wilner Report - says tv ratings will matter as much as department funding. We don’t have access to the Fox and CBS metrics, but San Diego State, Fresno State and Boise State are likely atop the list. The next tier probably includes Air Force, Colorado State and UNLV in some order. Beyond that, the Hotline isn’t convinced any MW schools would be value-adds for a rebuilt Pac-12. Wilner thinks TV ratings should matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...