utenation Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/21/2024 at 11:09 PM, Brew_Poke said: All that and on the CW, lol. I have no issues with Oregon State or WSU, but if you’re on a MWC board pleading your case with resume in hand to MWC fans about being superior, you know there’s a big flaw in the entire argument. OSU might be able to keep a decent budget for a few years with the war chest of gold but that’s just not sustainable. It will take a lot of their fans a few years to accept they are now G5. They’ll continue to fight the good fight as long as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Did I hear a WOOSH? Posted July 22, 2024 Author Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 12:17 AM, Beaver-Poke said: Oregon plays at OSU this year, ace. Oregon State owns the broadcast rights to its home games. When Oregon plays at Reser Stadium on Sept. 14, Fox will pay OSU for the right to televise the broadcast. It certainly will be in the million-dollar range. That's how it works. The guarantee for Oregon will be low. Oregon will pay an identical guarantee the following year in the second half of the home-and-home. The home teams will keep the remainder of the gate beyond the guarantee. The CW will broadcast the remainder of OSU's home games, for a reported $1 million a pop. Production costs will be minimal because OSU already had a full on-campus production studio as part of the Pac-12 Network. I'm sorry you seem to be so consistently misinformed. My mistake on the ou-osu home field, the point stands though. Per the conference arrangement it will likely be an even share proportional to the schedule, which means after everything that gets taken out it’ll be around $1m, maybe some change more but not ‘millions’. In fact, as it reads it should be an even million per game regardless if it’s fox, fs1, or cw. You’re still looking at MWC territory, so let’s not split hairs here. Your war chest pays out the production costs for the pac network. So you’re paying for it one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Did I hear a WOOSH? Posted July 22, 2024 Author Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 12:44 AM, utenation said: UCF should have stayed in the AAC. I bet the B12 is kicking themselves for adding 4 G5 anchors. You should probably stay away from betting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 12:53 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said: You should probably stay away from betting. 3-6 in conference doesn’t scare anyone. That’s called embarrassing, not scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver-Poke Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/21/2024 at 10:56 PM, utenation said: I have no issues with Oregon State or WSU, but if you’re on a MWC board pleading your case with resume in hand to MWC fans about being superior, you know there’s a big flaw in the entire argument. OSU might be able to keep a decent budget for a few years with the war chest of gold but that’s just not sustainable. It will take a lot of their fans a few years to accept they are now G5. They’ll continue to fight the good fight as long as possible. I've never said "superior." Just that OSU and WSU would be welcome additions to the MWC, would clearly make the league better and significantly increase its exposure in Portland and Seattle, two of the biggest TV markets on the West Coast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 12:12 PM, Beaver-Poke said: I've never said "superior." Just that OSU and WSU would be welcome additions to the MWC, would clearly make the league better and significantly increase its exposure in Portland and Seattle, two of the biggest TV markets on the West Coast. Well, if that’s not your intention, my apologies. It’s the way it came across to me. When you say things like OSU’s budget dwarfs every other MWC school by $20M, that implies superior. SDSU’s budget was $105M a year last reporting year. Probably higher this year. And they don’t have a P12 pot of gold to dip into either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver-Poke Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 11:24 AM, utenation said: Well, if that’s not your intention, my apologies. It’s the way it came across to me. When you say things like OSU’s budget dwarfs every other MWC school by $20M, that implies superior. SDSU’s budget was $105M a year last reporting year. Probably higher this year. And they don’t have a P12 pot of gold to dip into either. I had no idea SDSU's budget was that big. Probably includes a ton of debt service on the new stadium, because it was nowhere near that high in the recent past. But if you click on every school except SDSU here, you will see OSU's budget of $91 million does dwarf the others. No brag, just fact. It is substantially larger. Mountain West Conference | College Athletics Database (knightnewhousedata.org) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalsean Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 1:06 PM, Beaver-Poke said: I had no idea SDSU's budget was that big. Probably includes a ton of debt service on the new stadium, because it was nowhere near that high in the recent past. But if you click on every school except SDSU here, you will see OSU's budget of $91 million does dwarf the others. No brag, just fact. It is substantially larger. Mountain West Conference | College Athletics Database (knightnewhousedata.org) Enjoy the silver spoon while it lasts.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted July 23, 2024 Share Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/21/2024 at 11:49 PM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said: My mistake on the ou-osu home field, the point stands though. Per the conference arrangement it will likely be an even share proportional to the schedule, which means after everything that gets taken out it’ll be around $1m, maybe some change more but not ‘millions’. In fact, as it reads it should be an even million per game regardless if it’s fox, fs1, or cw. You’re still looking at MWC territory, so let’s not split hairs here. Your war chest pays out the production costs for the pac network. So you’re paying for it one way or the other. The million does no include the cost of the PAC 12 network producing the game. Net profit will be under that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilPoke Posted July 23, 2024 Share Posted July 23, 2024 Story from the Athletic Biggest thing I saw is that an agreement for 25 needs to come in the next month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobraska Posted July 23, 2024 Share Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 8:58 PM, EvilPoke said: Story from the Athletic Biggest thing I saw is that an agreement for 25 needs to come in the next month. I can't read it. Did he just rehash Dodd or does he have more info as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawaiiMongoose Posted July 23, 2024 Share Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 5:30 PM, Wyobraska said: I can't read it. Did he just rehash Dodd or does he have more info as well? Basically a rehash that corroborates what Dodd has already reported. Here are some excerpts: Last December, the parties agreed to a one-year football scheduling agreement, helping the Beavers and Cougars secure six additional Mountain West opponents for their 2024 football schedules in exchange for more than $14 million. …. Both sides say an agreement on a 2025 football schedule needs to happen before the 2024 season kicks off. So will it? “I’m pretty confident,” Mountain West commissioner Gloria Nevarez said. “You never know with how contracting goes. It was built in anticipation as a two-year schedule. Because that’s how you mitigate competitive inequities, and we figure if we’re going to do it, it’s easier to do two. It’s not for any reason except for we had to get through June meetings, then July gets kind of quiet. (Pac-12 commissioner Teresa Gould) and I have been talking, and it’s just been a phone tag thing.” … “We’ll have to see if everything falls into place or we explore a different path for that second year,” new Washington State athletic director Anne McCoy said, “or if everything goes forward with the Mountain West.” Big picture, Oregon State and Washington State want to buy as much time as possible and see what happens elsewhere — perhaps, say, if Florida State and Clemson try to officially leave the ACC, that league might explore getting back to 17 members. Oregon State athletic director Scott Barnes told The Athletic earlier this year that joining a Power 4 conference is the top priority, followed by some merger with the Mountain West. “It’s important to get the time to see where the landscape is going,” said Oregon State executive deputy athletic director Brent Blaylock, who represented OSU at the Vegas event. “We’ve seen the volatility of how things change. We know some of the other friction points going on in other places. So it’s important for us to just stay abreast of what’s going on.” The Mountain West, meanwhile, feels more emboldened than it did a year ago and doesn’t appreciate the image of being a backup option. The introduction of a 12-team CFP means the Mountain West champion has a path to the Playoff for the foreseeable future, while the Pac-2 can only receive an at-large berth, and the CFP deal with ESPN runs through 2032. The Mountain West also got six teams into this year’s NCAA men’s basketball tournament. It won’t beg for two more members. “When I first started (as commissioner), everyone was growing to 14, 16, and I thought maybe that’s where we need to be,” Nevarez said. “I’m not seeing a need now. Certainly if there’s an opportunity to make us better, I would absolutely chase that down. But I’m feeling pretty good about where we are.” … What does hang over the Mountain West is its television deal, which recently added TNT Sports as a third partner and runs through 2025-26. That coincidentally times up with the Pac-2’s window. It’d be an easy moment to make an addition. But what about departures? The Mountain West office has maintained that its exit fee ($18 million, or $36 million for schools leaving within a year) applies regardless of the TV situation, something that was brought up last summer when San Diego State danced with the idea of leaving the league. Any attempt by Oregon State and Washington State to pull Group of 5 teams from multiple conferences would be very expensive, even with a $255 million war chest leftover from the Pac-12. The football agreement signed last year lays out that adding one Mountain West school would cost the Pac-2 $10 million. Adding six schools would cost $67.5 million; 11 schools would cost $137.5 million, not including their exit fees for leaving the MW. But adding all 12 would cost nothing. The league held firm in putting that deal together, protecting everyone. The one wild-card scenario is dissolving the Mountain West, which would require nine of 12 schools voting in favor and therefore removing any exit fees. That possibility has not garnered enough votes to be an option, especially given the open desire of the Pac-2 schools to land elsewhere. Oregon State and Washington State will chart their future amid plenty of internal change. Football coach Jonathan Smith and highly-touted quarterback Aidan Chiles left Oregon State for Michigan State, and star running back Damien Martinez went to Miami (Fla.). Washington State athletic director Pat Chun left for Washington, and talented quarterback Cam Ward went to Miami. Influential president Kirk Schulz will retire next June. That turnover has made a difficult situation even tougher. No one associated with the Pac-2 [at the league’s media event in Las Vegas] could say what the future holds … 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brew_Poke Posted July 23, 2024 Share Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 9:30 PM, Wyobraska said: I can't read it. Did he just rehash Dodd or does he have more info as well? https://archive.ph/FSorX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf from 73 Posted July 23, 2024 Share Posted July 23, 2024 https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5650358/2024/07/22/mountain-west-pac-12-schedules-merger/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalsean Posted July 23, 2024 Share Posted July 23, 2024 Last December, the parties agreed to a one-year football scheduling agreement, helping the Beavers and Cougars secure six additional Mountain West opponents for their 2024 football schedules in exchange for more than $14 million. The contract spoke of working toward a basketball agreement that never transpired. That football agreement also laid out in writing a “good faith” effort for the Pac-12 to absorb all Mountain West schools under the Pac-12 banner at no cost, “as promptly as reasonably practicable,” in time for the 2025-26 or 2026-27 seasons. That hasn’t happened. No wonder the MWC schools are getting annoyed and that the following year's schedule hasn't finalized. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawaiiMongoose Posted July 23, 2024 Share Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/23/2024 at 7:13 AM, Chalsean said: Last December, the parties agreed to a one-year football scheduling agreement, helping the Beavers and Cougars secure six additional Mountain West opponents for their 2024 football schedules in exchange for more than $14 million. The contract spoke of working toward a basketball agreement that never transpired. That football agreement also laid out in writing a “good faith” effort for the Pac-12 to absorb all Mountain West schools under the Pac-12 banner at no cost, “as promptly as reasonably practicable,” in time for the 2025-26 or 2026-27 seasons. That hasn’t happened. No wonder the MWC schools are getting annoyed and that the following year's schedule hasn't finalized. Good point. It wouldn't surprise me if the MWC is trying to get OSU and WSU to commit to kicking off the promised merger discussions as a condition of agreeing to extend the football scheduling agreement. Technically the "promptly as reasonably practicable" language gives OSU and WSU an excuse for not yet having entered into good faith negotiations with the MWC. They can claim they've been busy transitioning the departing members out of the Pac while also protecting the financial interests of the conference, and that hasn't left them with enough time to focus on merger discussions. However if OSU and WSU are making that excuse it's probably starting to wear a little thin from the MWC's perspective, to the point that Gloria may have already made a "fish or cut bait" demand behind the scenes. Also the MWC has some leverage right now because OSU and WSU would probably like to get the 2025-26 football scheduling agreement locked down so they don't have to scramble to fill out fully independent schedules for that season. Having said all that, it's important to understand that even if merger negotiations commence, nothing in the football scheduling agreement commits OSU and WSU to actually going through with a merger. If they want the negotiations to fail all they need to do is advocate for some condition that seems reasonable on its face but that the MWC would find difficult to accept, like requiring every school taking part in a merger to increase its athletic budget to a minimum threshold that several MWC schools would have difficulty attaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalsean Posted July 23, 2024 Share Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/23/2024 at 12:14 PM, HawaiiMongoose said: Good point. It wouldn't surprise me if the MWC is trying to get OSU and WSU to commit to kicking off the promised merger discussions as a condition of agreeing to extend the football scheduling agreement. Technically the "promptly as reasonably practicable" language gives OSU and WSU an excuse for not yet having entered into good faith negotiations with the MWC. They can claim they've been busy transitioning the departing members out of the Pac while also protecting the financial interests of the conference, and that hasn't left them with enough time to focus on merger discussions. However if OSU and WSU are making that excuse it's probably starting to wear a little thin from the MWC's perspective, to the point that Gloria may have already made a "fish or cut bait" demand behind the scenes. Also the MWC has some leverage right now because OSU and WSU would probably like to get the 2025-26 football scheduling agreement locked down so they don't have to scramble to fill out fully independent schedules for that season. Having said all that, it's important to understand that even if merger negotiations commence, nothing in the football scheduling agreement commits OSU and WSU to actually going through with a merger. If they want the negotiations to fail all they need to do is advocate for some condition that seems reasonable on its face but that the MWC would find difficult to accept, like requiring every school taking part in a merger to increase its athletic budget to a minimum threshold that several MWC schools would have difficulty attaining. I think the $14 million price was with the basketball/merger good faith understanding. Since OSU/WSU did not do those things, I suspect an increase in price is coming. Or just a flat not do it at all, if MWC is feeling salty enough. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver-Poke Posted July 23, 2024 Share Posted July 23, 2024 That football agreement also laid out in writing a “good faith” effort for the Pac-12 to absorb all Mountain West schools under the Pac-12 banner at no cost, “as promptly as reasonably practicable,” in time for the 2025-26 or 2026-27 seasons. That hasn’t happened. The 2025-26 season is 13 months away. The 2026-27 season is 25 months away. There is ample, ample time for this to happen. No need to rush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteedLaw Posted July 23, 2024 Share Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/23/2024 at 11:13 AM, Chalsean said: Last December, the parties agreed to a one-year football scheduling agreement, helping the Beavers and Cougars secure six additional Mountain West opponents for their 2024 football schedules in exchange for more than $14 million. The contract spoke of working toward a basketball agreement that never transpired. That football agreement also laid out in writing a “good faith” effort for the Pac-12 to absorb all Mountain West schools under the Pac-12 banner at no cost, “as promptly as reasonably practicable,” in time for the 2025-26 or 2026-27 seasons. That hasn’t happened. No wonder the MWC schools are getting annoyed and that the following year's schedule hasn't finalized. It is more than this… As stated, it was inferred from the agreement that OSU and WSU would move quickly and in “good faith” and…NOT FURTHER DETERIORATE the PAC-12 brand. After the complete laughing-stock joke that was the PAC-12 media day, OSU/WSU clearly don’t care how stupid they make themselves look. Honestly, was there even a single article or newsworthy statement that came out of the entire PAC-12 media day other than the statement, “We have an open bar and free booze in the back of the room”? If I am the MWC, I am pissed by the following: 1. The basketball deal never happened and the PAC promptly put their teams in the WCC. 2. The PAC promptly hired their own commissioner, who clearly thinks she is smart and likes to play games with the MWC. 3. This has already taken more than a year, with recent comments by PAC presidents that it could take a full 6 months longer and the entire fall just to decide to do a merger, let alone actually effectuate any merger. Such statements are hardly in “good faith” or reflect action “as promptly as reasonably possible”. 4. Continuing to drag the PAC brand through the mud, even holding “media days” with clearly no direction, no path, and not even a mention of a merger. Yeah, I think the MWC presidents have every right to be pissed right now. which is why I think a merger is either happening very soon…or it is not happening at all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawaiiMongoose Posted July 23, 2024 Share Posted July 23, 2024 On 7/23/2024 at 8:22 AM, Chalsean said: I think the $14 million price was with the basketball/merger good faith understanding. Since OSU/WSU did not do those things, I suspect an increase in price is coming. Or just a flat not do it at all, if MWC is feeling salty enough. Perhaps, although I think Gloria needs to be a bit careful (and probably will) about not overplaying the MWC's hand. An extension of the scheduling agreement would benefit both parties. From the MWC's perspective it helps increase the conference's schedule strength, which theoretically increases the likelihood of the MWC champion being awarded the G5's guaranteed CFP bid. Note Vannini's comment that "for this upcoming football season, the Mountain West is pushing its strength of schedule: League members will play 35 games against Power 5 opponents (including Oregon State and Washington State), with 15 of those games at home, by far the most of any Group of 5 conference." Pulling the plug on the scheduling agreement would completely change that calculus for 2025-26. To me it would be enough of a win to just extend the agreement for another year at the current price in exchange for a commitment by OSU and WSU to commence formal merger negotiations in the fall. I don't see that being a big issue for OSU and WSU now that it's becoming more apparent that there will be no movement in the ACC for at least another year: https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1815360731220709847 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...