Conference Realignment thread

[Wyobraska]

On 7/8/2024 at 2:33 PM, alum93 said:

Can anyone blame OSU and WSU for looking at every possible option?  In the chaos that was the last round of realignment, they were the 2 schools that were left for dead, ie G5 money vs P4 money.  Stanford and Cal had to buy their way into the ACC, a conference they have absolutely nothing in common with for their fans that actually buy the tickets and go to games.  And even that might end up being a temporary band aid depending on if the BiG/SEC find a way to poach their top teams.  So once OSU/WSU determine that in fact there is no contract that would justify paying exit fees for only half the MWC to join,  they should ultimately join with all MWC teams for a strong western G5 conference.  Coming to grips with the Grand Canyon size gap in contracts, especially in the days of NIL and instant transfer and play, is going to be rough.  Imagine the ADs that had built future budgets, justified infrastructure updates, based on playing USC, UCLA, Washington, Stanford, and now having to sell USU, Wyoming, UNM, and SJSU.  It's apples and oranges.  But that's where everything is headed.  The larger question for college sports in general is where does the gap in P4 (P3 if the ACC doesn't survive) vs G5 leave college football long term?  Does everyone stay together knowing the writing is on the wall and pretending there is real competition between the 2 levels, or does some form of sanity prevail and a split occur that benefits both parties long term.  As far as WSU and OSU, they were at the wrong place at the wrong time and there is literally nothing they could do once the BiG and SEC carved up the P!2 and B12.  If they somehow, some way, pull off a best of the rest conference, more power to them.  It certainly doesn't look like a realistic option though.  I also think their fans will enjoy being in the MWC, or whatever names it ends up, once the shock wears off that the big boys are never coming back.

I don't think most people begrudge the PAC 2 from exploring all options, but I also think the writing is on the wall.  That doesn't mean they have to make that decision right away, they can still try to find a different solution.  Dropping their yearly TV distribution so drastically from a P5 to a G5 is a huge deal and they need to be smart about all of this to maximize their money due from the PAC 12 and to explore all of their options.  

A Big 12 or ACC invite isn't coming anytime soon and a best of the rest G5 conference isn't feasible in my opinion.  I think as the year goes on there will be more and more hints of a reverse merger to soften the landing for their fan bases.  

 

[Chalsean]

On 7/8/2024 at 9:16 PM, clydebeav said:

Excellent post. As a fan, I want the Beavers to play at the highest level possible so I’m supportive of exploring all options. That being said, I realize that there isn’t much hope of being called back up to the “big leagues” (financially speaking).

It looks like joining with the Mountain West (in whatever form that is) is by far the most probable outcome. Once that is set in stone, our fan base will just adjust to it. I think that it’s a great fit culturally and we could form some great regional rivalries. Feels like we already have that with Boise and Fresno to some extent.

Only we get to roshambo Fresno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHliDE1_Hls

[BacksThePack]

What does a P14 reverse merger even look like? 2 divisions, 6 division games, 1 protected cross division game, and rotating other 2 to play everyone home and home at least evwry 6 years? How do you divide that up? North-South, East-West, etc. Who's unhappy with where they go every year or don't get to go?

[Wyobraska]

On 7/8/2024 at 10:36 PM, BacksThePack said:

What does a P14 reverse merger even look like? 2 divisions, 6 division games, 1 protected cross division game, and rotating other 2 to play everyone home and home at least evwry 6 years? How do you divide that up? North-South, East-West, etc. Who's unhappy with where they go every year or don't get to go?

The current trend seems to be zero divisions. 

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 7/8/2024 at 2:00 PM, wolf from 73 said:

Cal has massive debt ( 441 mil ) as a result of building their stadium. Without football I don't see a way for them to retire that debt. We should see some decision of what direction the Pac-2 will go by Jan or Feb according to Kirk Schulz.  "And I think January-got to pick what we think is the best and aggressively move forward. So that’s where we are in the timeline." https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-washington-state-president

They could write all the debt off with a loan from the school.  

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 7/8/2024 at 2:55 PM, utenation said:

I’m still trying to figure out why Utah was picked so high? You’ve been telling me for years how bad they are. A few months ago, you told everyone we will only win 4 games. I guess the entire planet disagrees with you. 
 

And then, mysteriously Utah is getting B12 media bias after you told me, they get West Coast bias. 
 

You’d figure the B12 media would respect a “powerhouse” program like UCF much more than a bad Utah team that’s going to get killed in a conference that added 4 bad G5 schools out of desperation. All 4 finishing below.500. 

West coast bias has nothing to do with the title of the conference you’re in grasshopper, it’s all about who covers you.  And if you still don’t think there’s coastal bias then there’s no hope for you at this point.

You have more important things to figure out than why you’re rated highly by Vegas and western media.  Perhaps start with why you care? They’re just trying to get clicks in July.  Adding a new member at the top and a couple good teams lower than they will be is how they get people to talk and share.  That’s what happens in the doldrums.  Let’s see how things shake out but yes, I put your over/under for conference wins at 5.  I don’t love your qb situation (only bc it’s an unknown what Cam has left), don’t love your running game at all in a running conference, and am not sure about your run defense either.  I think your team has a really good coaching/prep but will probably get out talented once or twice as well.  Throw in that this years Big 12 is much deeper than your PAC ever was (and much larger) and I think there should be caution for any XII member to think they’ll just come out and dominate.  This year at least…who knows how the power structure unfolds in time.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 7/9/2024 at 12:36 AM, BacksThePack said:

What does a P14 reverse merger even look like? 2 divisions, 6 division games, 1 protected cross division game, and rotating other 2 to play everyone home and home at least evwry 6 years? How do you divide that up? North-South, East-West, etc. Who's unhappy with where they go every year or don't get to go?

Most other conferences are dropping divisions so I suspect the MWC will do the same thing.  

[utenation]

On 7/9/2024 at 6:46 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

West coast bias has nothing to do with the title of the conference you’re in grasshopper, it’s all about who covers you.  And if you still don’t think there’s coastal bias then there’s no hope for you at this point.

You have more important things to figure out than why you’re rated highly by Vegas and western media.  Perhaps start with why you care? They’re just trying to get clicks in July.  Adding a new member at the top and a couple good teams lower than they will be is how they get people to talk and share.  That’s what happens in the doldrums.  Let’s see how things shake out but yes, I put your over/under for conference wins at 5.  I don’t love your qb situation (only bc it’s an unknown what Cam has left), don’t love your running game at all in a running conference, and am not sure about your run defense either.  I think your team has a really good coaching/prep but will probably get out talented once or twice as well.  Throw in that this years Big 12 is much deeper than your PAC ever was (and much larger) and I think there should be caution for any XII member to think they’ll just come out and dominate.  This year at least…who knows how the power structure unfolds in time.

Poor little wooshy. Wrote a big novel here for no reason. First off, learn what a paragraph is instead of a 700 word run on sentence. I can’t read eyesores like you wrote. 
 

Your shit talking caught up with you little man. You’ve been telling everyone how bad Utah iis for years. You said 4 conference wins numbnuts. Changing your story now? It’s all been quoted for reference. 
 

How embarrassing is it that Utah came to your conference and have the red carpet rolled out for us without even playing a snap? While AAC G5 turds are picked to hold down the bottom of the conference AGAIN.  The whole world knows adding 4 G5 turds to a P4 conference was a desperation mistake. 
 

Lol at you attempting to break down our roster.  BTW, Vegas also has Utah as the clear favorite. And last time I checked, they are pretty good at what they do. 

[utenation]

On 7/9/2024 at 6:46 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

 Throw in that this years Big 12 is much deeper than your PAC ever was (and much larger) 

lol at this. So the B12 is deeper this year than 2023?  Since they added 4 P12 schools?  We know it wasn’t deep last year when 4 G5 teams all finished well below .500 at 8-28 in conference.  That’s not deep, that’s stinky. 
 

Btw, the P12 had 6 teams finish ranked in 2022.  Last year our champ was in the title game and UW smoked Texas 2 years in a row. 
 

LMAO at “deep”. UCF and buddies shouldn’t be anywhere near a P4 conference. Can the B12 get a refund for 4 turds? Hopefully they kept the receipts. 

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 7/9/2024 at 10:20 AM, utenation said:

Poor little wooshy. Wrote a big novel here for no reason. First off, learn what a paragraph is instead of a 700 word run on sentence. I can’t read eyesores like you wrote. 
 

Your shit talking caught up with you little man. You’ve been telling everyone how bad Utah iis for years. You said 4 conference wins numbnuts. Changing your story now? It’s all been quoted for reference. 
 

How embarrassing is it that Utah came to your conference and have the red carpet rolled out for us without even playing a snap? While AAC G5 turds are picked to hold down the bottom of the conference AGAIN.  The whole world knows adding 4 G5 turds to a P4 conference was a desperation mistake. 
 

Lol at you attempting to break down our roster.  BTW, Vegas also has Utah as the clear favorite. And last time I checked, they are pretty good at what they do. 

You don’t understand how over/unders work do you?

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 7/9/2024 at 11:12 AM, utenation said:

lol at this. So the B12 is deeper this year than 2023?  Since they added 4 P12 schools?  We know it wasn’t deep last year when 4 G5 teams all finished well below .500 at 8-28 in conference.  That’s not deep, that’s stinky. 
 

Btw, the P12 had 6 teams finish ranked in 2022.  Last year our champ was in the title game and UW smoked Texas 2 years in a row. 
 

LMAO at “deep”. UCF and buddies shouldn’t be anywhere near a P4 conference. Can the B12 get a refund for 4 turds? Hopefully they kept the receipts. 

Yes it is.  9 teams went bowling in the XII last year, more than ever.. more than the pac ever.  Will probably add two more schools this year.  Very deep.  You’ll learn.  Or you won’t, whatever..

[utenation]

On 7/9/2024 at 9:25 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

You don’t understand how over/unders work do you?

Watching B12 Media Days. All they are talking about is Utah, CU, OSU, AZ and KSU. 
 

No mention of UCF or the other AAC turds. Yikes.  I guess that’s what you call sweeping the dirt under the rug.  Probably not a good idea to focus on your worst products on national TV. 

[utenation]

On 7/9/2024 at 9:30 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Yes it is.  9 teams went bowling in the XII last year, more than ever.. more than the pac ever.  Will probably add two more schools this year.  Very deep.  You’ll learn.  Or you won’t, whatever..

They need to send all the AAC turds and BYU back to G5.  Then it would probably be a good conference. 
 

I guess 8-28 is impressive where you come from. 
 

UCF: 3-6

Houston : 2-7

Cincy: 1-8

BYU: 2-7

Embarrassing to say the least that Utah has to be associated with these bottom feeders. Definitely not our choice. 

[utenation]

On 7/9/2024 at 9:30 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Yes it is.  9 teams went bowling in the XII last year, more than ever.. more than the pac ever.  Will probably add two more schools this year.  Very deep.  You’ll learn.  Or you won’t, whatever..

lol. Yormark just said the 4 corners were always choice A for us when realignment started. 
 

I guess adding the 4 G5 turds was probably choice H.

[utenation]

On 7/9/2024 at 6:46 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

don’t love your running game at all in a running conference, and am not sure about your run defense either.  

Really? Since you are apparently a Utah Scout, who will play RB for us this year? 
 

It’s funny. The B12 is a terrible defensive conference.  The best rated total defensive team was only ranked 50th.  The best rated rushing defense was 37th.  The next best was 54th. 
 

So padding running stats against shitty defenses isn’t impressive. 
 

Not sure on Utah’s rush defense? LMAO. You mean the rush defense that was ranked 4th last year only giving up 82 yards a game?  Utah was also ranked 13in total defense. 
 

Where do you get your stats from besides pulling them out of your ass?

[HawaiiMongoose]

On 7/9/2024 at 3:02 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Most other conferences are dropping divisions so I suspect the MWC will do the same thing.  

Some folks may prefer divisions to help minimize travel and preserve rivalries (I liked having them), but the MWC has already decided there's no need for divisions with 12 members and I don't see that changing with 14 members.

There's also the issue that in a merged MWC-14 or Pac-14 there's no neat way to put seven members on each side that both makes sense geographically and will make everyone happy.  OSU and WSU will want to be together, and BSU will want to be with them.  Hawaii and the California schools belong together, and Nevada and UNLV will want to be with them.  But that would put nine in the west, so two have to go east.  Who gets sent to a division with USU and the Front Rangers?  The Nevada pair?  BSU and WSU?  UNLV and SDSU?  No easy answers.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 7/9/2024 at 1:04 PM, utenation said:

Watching B12 Media Days. All they are talking about is Utah, CU, OSU, AZ and KSU. 
 

No mention of UCF or the other AAC turds. Yikes.  I guess that’s what you call sweeping the dirt under the rug.  Probably not a good idea to focus on your worst products on national TV. 

Those are the schools that are scheduled for spotlight and interviews today.  Kind of makes sense, no?

The panel seems to be talking a lot about ucf though for what it’s worth, they all picked ucf to outperform the most relative to sp+ and all picked them as the dark horse ccg candidate.  It’s not in your nature to be honest or accountable though so please carry on with your entertaining and leave the substance to others.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 7/9/2024 at 1:36 PM, utenation said:

lol. Yormark just said the 4 corners were always choice A for us when realignment started. 
 

I guess adding the 4 G5 turds was probably choice H.

Yormark wasn’t part of the previous realignment.  The 4 corners play was the only choice at the time.  One that I pointed out to you before it happened, thus causing you to run and hide for 6 months.  Remember? Pepperidge Farm remembers!

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 7/9/2024 at 3:03 PM, utenation said:

Really? Since you are apparently a Utah Scout, who will play RB for us this year? 
 

It’s funny. The B12 is a terrible defensive conference.  The best rated total defensive team was only ranked 50th.  The best rated rushing defense was 37th.  The next best was 54th. 
 

So padding running stats against shitty defenses isn’t impressive. 
 

Not sure on Utah’s rush defense? LMAO. You mean the rush defense that was ranked 4th last year only giving up 82 yards a game?  Utah was also ranked 13in total defense. 
 

Where do you get your stats from besides pulling them out of your ass?

I presume that your rb duties will be split between the transfer from Idaho and Bernard, if healthy.  You’ll need 3 though, maybe Glover? He looked good against Colorado, then again, everyone does.  Rising is going to have to do better than 500 rushing yards this season if you guys are going to have a chance.  Kuithe (assuming he’s healthy) and a middling usc receiver transfer aren’t going to cover it offensively.

Defensively you should be solid, but like everyone else I’m interested to see how the pac schools integrate into a stylistically different conference.   The XII is a far superior running conference so I suspect we’re going to see less good defensive numbers from the 4C overall.

You guys are cashing in a lot of media goodwill right now and KW has maybe two years left so the time is now to make things happen for you.  May you go undefeated until 11/29/24.

I know you don’t understand much about actual football so I won’t hold it against you but I would recommend watching some YouTube videos on stats and how to use them, and in your case, how not to use them.

[Lester_in_reno]

Nevada beat writer chimes in. Whats going on with Beavers and Wazzu?

And "us"? Pack don't have the necessary cabbage!

https://nevadasportsnet.com/news/reporters/one-major-hurdle-that-could-keep-nevada-athletics-out-of-a-rebuilt-pac-12?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3SeJt2UDlIFOCsbMDAH5K9lBwubHu0ZKGwlc2wjKAVP80uxnqMufX2IoI_aem_O8XFdpjy9q0_dY-ZpJDW9w