Conference Realignment thread

[alum93]

On 5/27/2024 at 10:59 PM, MissionTrails said:

That's still no reason to dump the name. You rebuild and you slowly gain prominence. It'll never be like it was before, but that was caused by massive changes throughout the NCAA, leading to 10 of 12 schools leaving. The media knows this, all but the most clueless of fans know this.

The WAC never had anything remotely close to the cache of the PAC 8/10/12. Not a good comparison.

You said it in your own words.  Most fans know they aren't watching the PAC12, unless as you say they are "clueless".  That was the point he was making with the WAC of old which consisted of many of the current MWC schools and the conference that is struggling to survive now.  I thought it was a good comparison.  You can still call it the PAC, but in reality most fans know they are watching the MWC.  

[Beaver-Poke]

On 5/28/2024 at 7:27 AM, Chalsean said:

So why keep the name?  To fool the clueless?

There are 255 million reasons to keep the name. If you've been even remotely paying attention. 

[UNLV2001]

On 5/27/2024 at 4:00 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

How 'bout the MWC? Few here are aware of it but about 15 years ago the powers that be were under pressure to give the conference an automatic bid to a New Years bowl game. To put it another way, a decade into its existence, the Mountain West was a darn good conference in football. Then within a couple of years Utah, TCU and BYU all left and Boise and SDSU, schools a notch below the other three, then tried to do the same. At that p;oint the MWC unnecessarily backfilled for the known and anticipated departures with schools probably a notch and a half below Boise and SDSU. (To its credit, USU has upped its game so much that it is no longer a notch and a half below Boise and SDSU.)

Adding OSU and WSU would help but nobody should fool themselves into thinking that merging those two with the exiting MWC will return the conference to even close to the quality it was a decade and a half ago.

That's exactly it -- the ship has sailed, just changing the name isn't going to change the situation 

Could even shed all the former names & start anew with a new identity that like MWC, WAC or PAC won't move the bar on where we sit in the overall college athletics hierarchy 

The damage is done, none of the G5 are moving up & it's very possible, some now holding the golden ticket, will soon find themselves out in the cold like WSU/OSU 

College football is no longer for every school & most women's sports are extremely skewed to the power conference schools.

The one current last hope is in men's basketball & that could be on the ropes in coming years 

[UNLV2001]

On 5/27/2024 at 9:59 PM, MissionTrails said:

That's still no reason to dump the name. You rebuild and you slowly gain prominence. It'll never be like it was before, but that was caused by massive changes throughout the NCAA, leading to 10 of 12 schools leaving. The media knows this, all but the most clueless of fans know this.

The WAC never had anything remotely close to the cache of the PAC 8/10/12. Not a good comparison.

The best the new MWC or PAC will ever be in the current situation would be the current MWC lineup with WSU/OSU................ That's pretty much the best of what's in the G5.

One other potential down the line could be if/when the major powers go on their own & trim their dead weight and there's a new 2nd tier grouping of some MWC, WSU, OSU, B12, ACC, SEC, B10 cast offs 

Then form some grouping that spans the continent with 4 or 8 divisions in something called the "BEST OF THE REST" Conference & even form a new governing body outside the NCAA 

[azgreg]

 

[Wyobraska]

On 5/28/2024 at 12:33 PM, azgreg said:

 

I wish there were more repercussions for these hacks who go after clicks with false info.  

[RamSack]

On 5/25/2024 at 7:59 PM, Loyal Coug said:

Good lord I happened to meander over to the Non-sports board. Talk about a shit show! Think I will refrain from posting over there. You guys are plenty mean enough on this board. :)

LOL. Your political views are more important than anything on this board.

[Chalsean]

On 5/28/2024 at 11:48 AM, Beaver-Poke said:

There are 255 million reasons to keep the name. If you've been even remotely paying attention. 

There are 255 million reasons to keep the legal entity.  Name/branding has nothing to do with it.

[NorCalCoug]

On 5/28/2024 at 12:33 PM, azgreg said:

 

I liked it better when Utah Admins responded to rumors in a more succinct and poignant manner….

”Give me a break!”

[Headbutt]

On 5/28/2024 at 12:33 PM, azgreg said:

 

So it’s true?!?!!!

Damn!

[Loyal Coug]

On 5/28/2024 at 11:22 AM, UNLV2001 said:

The best the new MWC or PAC will ever be in the current situation would be the current MWC lineup with WSU/OSU................ That's pretty much the best of what's in the G5.

One other potential down the line could be if/when the major powers go on their own & trim their dead weight and there's a new 2nd tier grouping of some MWC, WSU, OSU, B12, ACC, SEC, B10 cast offs 

Then form some grouping that spans the continent with 4 or 8 divisions in something called the "BEST OF THE REST" Conference & even form a new governing body outside the NCAA 

Wait I thought you hated the Pac-2, especially WSU, and want no part of us! :) You softening up?

That said, I don't think I've seen the link below (compliments of the UNLV Board) about NCAA team-by-team Revenue/Expense for FY 2023.

Football Bowl Subdivision | College Athletics Database (knightnewhousedata.org)

As I related to my delusional Coug brethren, WSU was the lowest current Power 5 team, revenue-wise, at $79 million. $13-some million below OSU at the bottom, with the rest at or (in most cases far above) $100 million. Behind a small handful of current AAC teams, and below SDSU at just over $100 million. I'm sure NIL monies are similar.  

So WSU can't compete with the P4. Period. The only solution is the reverse merger. Rename it whatever we want. I am warming up to the "PacWest-14". 

[Chalsean]

On 5/28/2024 at 6:35 PM, Loyal Coug said:

Wait I thought you hated the Pac-2, especially WSU, and want no part of us! :) You softening up?

That said, I don't think I've seen the link below (compliments of the UNLV Board) about NCAA team-by-team Revenue/Expense for FY 2023.

Football Bowl Subdivision | College Athletics Database (knightnewhousedata.org)

As I related to my delusional Coug brethren, WSU was the lowest current Power 5 team, revenue-wise, at $79 million. $13-some million below OSU at the bottom, with the rest at or (in most cases far above) $100 million. Behind a small handful of current AAC teams, and below SDSU at just over $100 million. I'm sure NIL monies are similar.  

So WSU can't compete with the P4. Period. The only solution is the reverse merger. Rename it whatever we want. I am warming up to the "PacWest-14". 

PacWest is a good tip of the hat to the origins of the two sides

[Someone Else]

21 minutes ago, Chalsean said:

PacWest is a good tip of the hat to the origins of the two sides

There is already a conference named Pac West

[Chalsean]

On 5/28/2024 at 8:22 PM, Someone Else said:

There is already a conference named Pac West

Well..  shit.  Lets just buy the WAC logo back

[Headbutt]

On 5/28/2024 at 8:22 PM, Someone Else said:

There is already a conference named Pac West

Thank God!  That name sucks.

[SpartanDude]

On 5/28/2024 at 7:34 PM, Headbutt said:

Thank God!  That name sucks.

Indeed.  It sounds like a company that grows and packages lettuce, or something similar. 

[utenation]

On 5/26/2024 at 3:04 PM, NorCalCoug said:

The BigXII will be just fine either way.

But no thanks to BYU right?  You guys will likely be picked last or at the bottom again this year in football.  Consistent early exits in the Dance against inferior seeds like clockwork. Smells like a subsidy.  And a conference SOS killer. 

At least Utah is in a good position right now if there are more changes. BYU like the other 3 G5 schools haven’t done shit for the B12 except hold down the bottom very firmly. All 4 schools were desperation moves to put a bandaid on an average conference. 

[Motown Monty]

On 5/28/2024 at 4:47 PM, Headbutt said:

So it’s true?!?!!!

Damn!

Not sure why Utah wouldn't chase the ACC.  It's better than the Big12

Utah was weighed and measured by the Big Ten and SEC, and deemed unworthy of an invitation.   USC, UCLA, Washington, and Oregon are on a much higher level.  Same with Texas and OK.

Utah, now with their peers in the Big12.   Truth is, by conference affiliation,  They are peers school to Houston, BYU, UCF, Cincy and the rest of the Big12. 

 

I do think that the ACC is a more prestigious conference than the Big12.   They have much higher academics, and more upside in football and basketball.  

Duke, Stanford, Cal, Virginia, Miami, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, etc are academically much higher than the Big12.  Athletically, the ACC even gets a higher TV payout than the Big12 from the playoffs

 

[Motown Monty]

On 5/28/2024 at 5:35 PM, Loyal Coug said:

Wait I thought you hated the Pac-2, especially WSU, and want no part of us! :) You softening up?

That said, I don't think I've seen the link below (compliments of the UNLV Board) about NCAA team-by-team Revenue/Expense for FY 2023.

Football Bowl Subdivision | College Athletics Database (knightnewhousedata.org)

As I related to my delusional Coug brethren, WSU was the lowest current Power 5 team, revenue-wise, at $79 million. $13-some million below OSU at the bottom, with the rest at or (in most cases far above) $100 million. Behind a small handful of current AAC teams, and below SDSU at just over $100 million. I'm sure NIL monies are similar.  

So WSU can't compete with the P4. Period. The only solution is the reverse merger. Rename it whatever we want. I am warming up to the "PacWest-14". 

 

when is the deadline for WSU and Oregon State to join or form a conference of more than 2 teams?

[NorCalCoug]

On 5/29/2024 at 8:16 AM, utenation said:

But no thanks to BYU right?  You guys will likely be picked last or at the bottom again this year in football.  Consistent early exits in the Dance against inferior seeds like clockwork. Smells like a subsidy.  And a conference SOS killer. 

At least Utah is in a good position right now if there are more changes. BYU like the other 3 G5 schools haven’t done shit for the B12 except hold down the bottom very firmly. All 4 schools were desperation moves to put a bandaid on an average conference. 

Sorry, the BigXII can weather the loss of ANY program from the conference without any major impact to overall value.  That includes BYU.  It also includes Utah.  Sorry that fact hurts the feels but there’s no program in the BigXII whose value is head and shoulders above anyone else - like Texas and Oklahoma.  So yes, Utah can leave.  BYU can leave.  Kansas can leave.  ANY program can leave and the BigXII will be just fine.

But let’s be honest, we both know Utah isn’t going anywhere.  The B1G wet dream the delusional folks in SLC have is never coming to pass.  The ACC stuff is just a laughable troll job.  Even I don’t think Utah is that stupid.