Conference Realignment thread

[Loyal Coug]

On 5/24/2024 at 3:35 PM, Headbutt said:

I have absolutely nothing against OSU or WSU.  I really hope to be in a conference with them.  I do get a little perturbed when it is suggested that they are our superiors just because they are Pac 12 cast offs.  With equal budgets, I see no difference between those two and the top half of the MWC.

I'm also pissed that they signed off on the settlement terms.  Yes, the G5, FCS, etc. will pay an unfair proportion, but the P5 conferences do have the bigger payouts.  TBD is whether MWC schools that join the Pac will be subject to those payout levels.  If it was just OSU/WSU signing off, it was incredibly stupid.  If the other ten schools still had a say in it, then OSU/WSU just took another one in the tailpipe from their former brethren.

Still, OSU and WSU are definitely in the top 3 or 4 FBS schools I'd like to roll into the MWC (or whatever) and they are the only two that there is even an extremely remote chance of.

If your first paragraph is aimed at me, I already conceded your point as stated above. We are in no position to be uppity.

On the settlement (link below), just validating that the vote was the ENTIRE Pac-12 as it sits today, not the Pac-2. Did WSU and OSU vote no? I don't see anything that says yes or no, but I imagone that our dipshit Prez and OSU's clueless Prez voted yes along with the Traitors. If that is the case I am pissed off at them to. Thank Gawd our worhtless Prez is retiring in a year. Wish it was tomorrow.

Pac-12 presidents approve House v. NCAA settlement terms as college sports economic revolution continues – The Denver Post

To you and other posts about our inheritance. Approx $250M.

$65M has already been paid by/withheld from the traitors. 

$100M (50/yr) is our Rose Bowl allocation. Since nothing will happen in FY25, the first $50M is effectively in the bank. FY 26's if we folded? I do not know.

I think the 6-year NCAA money is about $65M. FY25 is in the bag. Future years indeed are at risk if we fold.

The other ~$20M? Can't remember what that is.......

 

 

[Headbutt]

Thanks for all that info.  I appreciate it.  No, my post wasn't directed at you @818SUDSFan mentioned he didn't understand what I had against OSU/WSU.  Was just clearing the air.

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 5/24/2024 at 4:40 PM, Headbutt said:

OSU and WSU have to keep the name.  It's of marginal value to G5 teams that join them, but it is a big part of their budget for the next 5-10 years.  They lose a lot of their inheritance if they shut down the "Pac 12".

 

Then the PacNW Land Grants needs to share some of that wealth w/the MtnWest schools that are paying to leave their old conf.

 

[RSF]

On 5/24/2024 at 8:07 PM, Billings said:

Conference realignment:
a. If an institution leaves a conference to join another conference or becomes independent, while the former
conference remains in operation, the units previously earned by the institution remain with the former
conference.
b. If an independent institution joins a conference, it retains the units it earned as an independent prior to the
date it elected to join the conference; any units the institution earns after that date accrue to the
conference.
c. If a conference notifies the NCAA that it has ceased operations each institution retains the units it earned
in the Basketball Performance Fund.

 

PDF below for source.  Page 8

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/ncaa/finance/d1/2023D1Fin_RevenueDistributionPlan.pdf.   

 

\

I stand corrected.

[Loyal Coug]

On 5/24/2024 at 6:48 PM, ---I GREEN INFECTION I--- said:

 

Then the PacNW Land Grants needs to share some of that wealth w/the MtnWest schools that are paying to leave their old conf.

 

Paying what to leave your old conference? Under a reverse merger scenario, that would amount to - let's do the math - $-0-.

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 5/24/2024 at 7:03 PM, Loyal Coug said:

Paying what to leave your old conference? Under a reverse merger scenario, that would amount to - let's do the math - $-0-.

 

That’s one of several options.  Do you know something we don’t know?  

I was responding to HB’s scenario, in which y’all keep your conf in tact.  It’s much more expensive if 6-8 teams leave from the MtnWest to join the Pac-XX.

 

[NorCalCoug]

On 5/24/2024 at 7:23 PM, Loyal Coug said:

Good find buddy! Although it is still a bit murky. Is "units earned by an institution" based on specific teams who played, or is it units earned by the conference as a whole?  Sounds like the former, but I dunno. Let's say it is the former. The MW if disbanded, COULD agree to make everyone whole as if the conference had continued (share).

It’s not murky at all.  The units go to the university that earned them.

[Billings]

On 5/24/2024 at 6:23 PM, Loyal Coug said:

Good find buddy! Although it is still a bit murky. Is "units earned by an institution" based on specific teams who played, or is it units earned by the conference as a whole?  Sounds like the former, but I dunno. Let's say it is the former. The MW if disbanded, COULD agree to make everyone whole as if the conference had continued (share).

institution is the University.   

[Beaver-Poke]

On 5/24/2024 at 3:03 PM, MissionTrails said:

The Pac-XX has been around far longer, has way, way, way, more national championships in its past (no matter that they are mostly by several of the 10 schools that have left), and is far more nationally known. Yes, it'll be watered down as far as national perception, but the new conference would be best served by retaining the PAC name over the MWC. (assuming a merge actually happens)

Exactly. There is only one original Eagle left, only two original Rolling Stones, etc. They have both switched out numerous members over the years. But the valuable and recognizable brand name lives on. 

[Loyal Coug]

On 5/24/2024 at 7:09 PM, ---I GREEN INFECTION I--- said:

 

That’s one of several options.  Do you know something we don’t know?  

I was responding to HB’s scenario, in which y’all keep your conf in tact.  It’s much more expensive if 6-8 teams leave from the MtnWest to join the Pac-XX.

 

Ok, let's try this again. My scenario, which is actually mentioned (without much detail) in the Pac-MW agreement, is this. The MW conference chooses to disband and accept an offer to join the new Pac-12/14. Numbers depending on who the MW wants us to offer. I'm fine with everyone, if Hawaii will go in full sports. That keeps our conference intact.

Not to be confused with the stupid as shit for all involved in which the Pac-2 spends all of its money to lure half of the MW in, along with whoever from BF Texas. No better than taking the entire MW. Probably worse. That keeps our conference intact but takes all of our money.

[Chalsean]

On 5/24/2024 at 10:30 PM, Loyal Coug said:

Ok, let's try this again. My scenario, which is actually mentioned (without much detail) in the Pac-MW agreement, is this. The MW conference chooses to disband and accept an offer to join the new Pac-12/14. Numbers depending on who the MW wants us to offer. I'm fine with everyone, if Hawaii will go in full sports. That keeps our conference intact.

Not to be confused with the stupid as shit for all involved in which the Pac-2 spends all of its money to lure half of the MW in, along with whoever from BF Texas. No better than taking the entire MW. Probably worse. That keeps our conference intact but takes all of our money.

i dont think OSU/WSU are in a position to stipulate things to hawaii

[Spaztecs]

On 5/24/2024 at 1:29 PM, Loyal Coug said:

Fine, I'll try harder. Whoa Nellie, as fellow WSU alum Keith Jackson would say. :)

But I get lit up pretty quick when these "who the F are you?" posters that know nothing about my alma mater throw unsolicited digs at WSU. We are a proud school with proud alums and aren't going to take any shit from anyone.

No worries.

Some folk here can get prickly. But, it's a good bunch and the smack is delicious. You'll get your share this year. Deserved or not.

There are running gags about various MW Schools. Boise is always the perennial pre-season Champs in FB. SDSU believes it is better than the rest, etc. 

Watch for that Poke-Ram smack down during Boot Week. (Rivalry week). USU is the most hated Team in this Conference and BYU is the dirtiest team that everyone here despises.

[Loyal Coug]

On 5/24/2024 at 9:53 PM, Chalsean said:

i dont think OSU/WSU are in a position to stipulate things to hawaii

Geezus Christ. Why are some of you so -f-ing contrarian? Everything I have ever posted is that the MW Conference would figure out who they want to have the Pac-2 invite. Not us. YOU. That said, no. NO one sport members. and NO, no non-FB playing members. Is that so F-ing hard to grasp? 

[Loyal Coug]

On 5/24/2024 at 10:17 PM, Spaztecs said:

No worries.

Some folk here can get prickly. But, it's a good bunch and the smack is delicious. You'll get your share this year. Deserved or not.

There are running gags about various MW Schools. Boise is always the perennial pre-season Champs in FB. SDSU believes it is better than the rest, etc. 

Watch for that Poke-Ram smack down during Boot Week. (Rivalry week). USU is the most hated Team in this Conference and BYU is the dirtiest team that everyone here despises.

And I took shit on this board for mentioning the hometown, shitty refs when we played BYU? 

We hate the Boise Junior College and Trucking School. Being in the same conference makes me want to barf. But hey, it is what it is. I went to the - I think - 1998 game. Fun times. The Donkey riding the bicycle was comical. Humping Hanna's was fun afterwards. Is that still there? Had a quite F-able gal come up to me late and asked for a dance. I wanted to say hell yes but my then-wife was right there so I had to pass.

[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 5/24/2024 at 4:03 PM, bigd said:

The pacnw is not a college sports desert. 

Oregon and Washington combined have about half of Florida's population. Yet those two states have produced three CFB playoff appearances, and two national title appearances in the CFP era.

The entire state of Florida only has one appearance in the playoff in the same time frame when Florida State lost 20-59 to Oregon.

That is more indicative of conference affiliation than the pacnw being significant in college sports.  Only one conference representing a large geographical area but few relative options increases chances of representation, actually it confers to my point about how scant the athletic options are.  Florida is about 1/3 the land mass of those two states with over double the population.  Not that it matters because it’s about the number of people involved/interested in football and Florida produces more athletes in football at the d1 level each year than the entire Pacific Northwest.  More high level recruits, more drafted players, etc.  The same cannot be said for any other region of the country comparatively to Florida so the pacnw is indeed a relative cfb desert.  Like everywhere else west of El Paso they rely on California athletes, which has had diminishing returns as well.

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 5/24/2024 at 9:30 PM, Loyal Coug said:

Ok, let's try this again. My scenario, which is actually mentioned (without much detail) in the Pac-MW agreement, is this. The MW conference chooses to disband and accept an offer to join the new Pac-12/14. Numbers depending on who the MW wants us to offer. I'm fine with everyone, if Hawaii will go in full sports. That keeps our conference intact.

Not to be confused with the stupid as shit for all involved in which the Pac-2 spends all of its money to lure half of the MW in, along with whoever from BF Texas. No better than taking the entire MW. Probably worse. That keeps our conference intact but takes all of our money.

¡Thx! for the additional detail.  I learned something!

BIGGEST FLAW [& all the scenarios have their warts] w/the Reverse Merger you outlined: 
We’re still stuck w/CSU-José [& maybe even Hawai’i]

WELCOME ABOARD:  You are an asset to this Board

 

[Brew_Poke]

On 5/21/2024 at 11:37 AM, Spaztecs said:

It was the convenient excuse along with Academic prestige, which a handful of Pac Schools lacked.

The real reason was Politics. Specifically, as mentioned the Churches involvement with the Cali Gay Marriage ban and their overall opposition to gays and gay marriage. That pissed off a load of UC Leaders as well as those at SoCal and Oregon.

Academics and Sunday play were the sacrificial political pawns.

It was questions about BYU's perceived lack of commitment to academic freedom for faculty as I recall, but I'm too lazy to go dig up links.

[Brew_Poke]

On 5/23/2024 at 11:36 AM, bornontheblue said:

 Reno smells like dirty ash trays and retired cheap hookers. 

So like @Nevada Convert's mom?

[Brew_Poke]

On 5/23/2024 at 7:14 PM, Loyal Coug said:

Second - The Pac name still has some cache.

First: no it doesn't. The Pac's brand is destroyed. It's known as the conference that was killed, meaning nothing is left of value. Get mad at me if you want, but that's the perception.

Second: for the love of God, it's cachet. Cache isn't even pronounced the same.

[Loyal Coug]

On 5/25/2024 at 10:29 AM, Brew_Poke said:

First: no it doesn't. The Pac's brand is destroyed. It's known as the conference that was killed, meaning nothing is left of value. Get mad at me if you want, but that's the perception.

Second: for the love of God, it's cachet. Cache isn't even pronounced the same.

Damn, my bad on the spelling. Reminds me, I need to clear my cache off my computer. :)