Conference Realignment thread

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On 5/16/2024 at 8:18 PM, Headbutt said:

LOL.  Like I said, this thread has been all over the place. 

 

This thread was started by your favorite little buddy wooshie. I’m sure his intentions were humble and trustworthy when he started it. lol.  

[Headbutt]

I doubt his intentions were humble, yet he felt the need to interject stupid at critical intervals.  If he's capable of humility, it's been handed to him.

[since1670]

ESPN is largely responsible for realignment. ESPN officials new the Big-12 would go after PAC Schools when they agreed to pay for their revenues and they knew it would destroy the PAC. Is destruction of the PAC the reason ESPN agreed to a $30 million per team contract with the Big-12 even with OU and UT leaving?

It makes billions but that is not enough. More will come.

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On 5/16/2024 at 9:21 PM, since1670 said:

ESPN is largely responsible for realignment. ESPN officials new the Big-12 would go after PAC Schools when they agreed to pay for their revenues and they knew it would destroy the PAC.

It makes billions but that is not enough. More will come.

So the PAC 12 was destroyed by ESPN and the B12? Or did the P12 screw themselves over by not taking ESPN’s offer of $30 million per school for the remaining 10. 
 

The B12 did nothing to influence the bad decisions P12 leaders made.  They waited until we shot ourselves in the foot, then picked up the pieces including offering bribes sponsored by ESPN to CU. 
 

I know some of you NEW B12 fans like tell us a western fantasy that the B12 rode into the hot sun, guns blazing and robbed the bank of the P12, stealing all the women and children. But the real story is hardly the outlaw tales you guys often describe. 

[NorCalCoug]

On 5/16/2024 at 9:35 PM, utenation said:

So the PAC 12 was destroyed by ESPN and the B12? Or did the P12 screw themselves over by not taking ESPN’s offer of $30 million per school for the remaining 10. 
 

The B12 did nothing to influence the bad decisions P12 leaders made.  They waited until we shot ourselves in the foot, then picked up the pieces including offering bribes sponsored by ESPN to CU. 
 

I know some of you NEW B12 fans like tell us a western fantasy that the B12 rode into the hot sun, guns blazing and robbed the bank of the P12, stealing all the women and children. But the real story is hardly the outlaw tales you guys often describe. 

Thank goodness for that Utah professor that talked the PAC out of taking the $30M ESPN deal…. BYU would probably be in a very different spot without the help of that genius.

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On 5/17/2024 at 3:24 PM, NorCalCoug said:

Thank goodness for that Utah professor that talked the PAC out of taking the $30M ESPN deal…. BYU would probably be in a very different spot without the help of that genius.

It's our President's fault. I've called him a moron a few times on this thread. He F-d up for sure. But the rest of the presidents swallowed that hook down to the gut. My dog could have figured out those 10 schools weren't worth $50 mill per year.

 

Oregon and Washington are probably worth that. But not the rest.

 

 

[BYUcougfan]

On 5/17/2024 at 2:27 PM, utenation said:

It's our President's fault. I've called him a moron a few times on this thread. He F-d up for sure. But the rest of the presidents swallowed that hook down to the gut. My dog could have figured out those 10 schools weren't worth $50 mill per year.

 

Oregon and Washington are probably worth that. But not the rest.

 

 

Bad valuations aside, watching the PAC implode was fascinating.  Even for a league that really played up its history and fraternity, dollars ended up ruling the day....like they always do.

[Loyal Coug]

On 5/17/2024 at 5:02 PM, BYUcougfan said:

Bad valuations aside, watching the PAC implode was fascinating.  Even for a league that really played up its history and fraternity, dollars ended up ruling the day....like they always do.

I'm glad you found it interesting. Us Cougs found it traitorous, devastating and all around F-ed.

Point of historical fact, WSU became the Cougars in 1919, BYU became the Cougars in 1953 after your designation as a "cosmopolitan" school. I'm not making this up.

And to Ute's previous post - that Utah professor should be shot, the Prez too. The fact that this inflated self-worth shit in our face and that the Big-12 snapped up basically the same deal immediately show how stupid the Pac-(10 at that point) were. And that F-ing Utah, who we welcomed in from the Mtn West (or was it still the WAC?), is the reason is pretty BS. 

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On 5/17/2024 at 10:24 PM, Loyal Coug said:

I'm glad you found it interesting. Us Cougs found it traitorous, devastating and all around F-ed.

Point of historical fact, WSU became the Cougars in 1919, BYU became the Cougars in 1953 after your designation as a "cosmopolitan" school. I'm not making this up.

And to Ute's previous post - that Utah professor should be shot, the Prez too. The fact that this inflated self-worth shit in our face and that the Big-12 snapped up basically the same deal immediately show how stupid the Pac-(10 at that point) were. And that F-ing Utah, who we welcomed in from the Mtn West (or was it still the WAC?), is the reason is pretty BS. 

So you’re basically still mad that WSU didn’t make the P4 cut? Got it. 
 

Lol at WSU welcoming Utah to anything.  Clearly WSU was at the bottom of the conference food chain. And have been for decades.  Are you really trying to argue with a BYU fan on who had the Cougar name first? LMAO. 
 

You keep crying this same river like a little bitch. Instead of crying about Utah over and over, it’s time for you to put your big boy pull up diapers on and see if you can even compete in the MWC. I have my doubts. 
 

[Loyal Coug]

On 5/17/2024 at 10:16 PM, utenation said:

So you’re basically still mad that WSU didn’t make the P4 cut? Got it. 
 

Lol at WSU welcoming Utah to anything.  Clearly WSU was at the bottom of the conference food chain. And have been for decades.  Are you really trying to argue with a BYU fan on who had the Cougar name first? LMAO. 
 

You keep crying this same river like a little bitch. Instead of crying about Utah over and over, it’s time for you to put your big boy pull up diapers on and see if you can even compete in the MWC. I have my doubts. 
 

Wow. Did we not welcome Utah into the Pac-10? Yes we did. Which brings up the question of why you are still hanging out on the site of a conference who you dogged for the Pac-10 (at the time)12 years ago, and are now ragging on the conference who you just shit on thanks to your dipshit professor and President for f-ing up our reasonable media deal? Go find the Big-12 sites. And have fun as they are already bitching about how the 4 traitorous corners (all of which we welcomed into to Pac-8/10/12) are already degrading the value of the conference. 

In my short time here, I have never "cried a river" about anything. So F-you, And is that you in your avatar, in some pond, with your gangsta grilles and guns? WTF is that? And you are even from Utah. and/or did you graduate from there?

And yeah I'm still mad. WSU has a rich history, much richer than Utah. We have been in the same conference, or iterations of, for over 100 years. We won the Rose Bowl on Jan 1. 1916, the first year it started it's annual game, 

Read on, if you can:

 The game was so lopsided that for the next thirteen years, the Tournament of Roses officials ran chariot races, ostrich races, and other various events instead of football.^[7] But, on New Year's Day 1916, football returned to stay as the State College of Washington (now Washington State University) defeated Brown University in the first of what was thereafter an annual tradition

Edit: And did I say F-you? WTF are you doing here, day and night? Why have you not been banned yet? And you want to call me a little bitch who needs to pull up my big boy diapers? Boy you must be a Captain of Industry. 

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On 5/18/2024 at 12:08 AM, Loyal Coug said:

Wow. Did we not welcome Utah into the Pac-10? Yes we did. Which brings up the question of why you are still hanging out on the site of a conference who you dogged for the Pac-10 (at the time)12 years ago, and are now ragging on the conference who you just shit on thanks to your dipshit professor and President for f-ing up our reasonable media deal? Go find the Big-12 sites. And have fun as they are already bitching about how the 4 traitorous corners (all of which we welcomed into to Pac-8/10/12) are already degrading the value of the conference. 

In my short time here, I have never "cried a river" about anything. So F-you, And is that you in your avatar, in some pond, with your gangsta grilles and guns? WTF is that? And you are even from Utah. and/or did you graduate from there?

And yeah I'm still mad. WSU has a rich history, much richer than Utah. We have been in the same conference, or iterations of, for over 100 years. We won the Rose Bowl on Jan 1. 1916, the first year it started it's annual game, 

Read on, if you can:

 The game was so lopsided that for the next thirteen years, the Tournament of Roses officials ran chariot races, ostrich races, and other various events instead of football.^[7] But, on New Year's Day 1916, football returned to stay as the State College of Washington (now Washington State University) defeated Brown University in the first of what was thereafter an annual tradition

lol. Get it all out.  Atta boy. Keep blaming Utah for your problems.
 

Why didn’t WSU’s President put a stop to or throw a flag on thinking they could get more money? Sounds like a room full of morons to me. 
 

And you’re not bitter right? Let’s go ahead and shoot Utah’s president and a professor. 
 

There isn’t anything WSU has that we would ever want btw. 
 

Keep those tears flowing. 
 

 

[RebelAlliance]

On 5/16/2024 at 9:18 PM, Headbutt said:

LOL.  Like I said, this thread has been all over the place. 

This anti-trust case gives me a little hope in that all of the reporting is fairly specific about the "most powerful" conferences making players employees.  We're not in that bucket.  That would likely indicate a very solid split between academic conferences that want to play football at the highest level that they're capable of, and the athletic conferences that want to hire athletes and hope the athletes take school seriously enough to make the degree worth a crap.

It looks imminent to me, and I'm excited for the MWC to be in the "academic" tier.  As an aside, speaking with an acquaintance who is a UGA alum and booster, he reports that most of the folks he knows are very upset with the new direction, and would also prefer to be in the "academic" tier.  I don't think that even most P4 fans are on board with this arms race.

Huh?  So, the big will no longer be an "academic conference" but CUSA will be?  

[Headbutt]

On 5/18/2024 at 8:37 AM, RebelAlliance said:

Huh?  So, the big will no longer be an "academic conference" but CUSA will be?  

Yeah, pretty much.  As far as athletic departments are concerned anyway.  There's no denying the academic quality of the schools in the Big 10, not what I was saying at all.  I'm saying that the P4 is rushing to a pay-for-play model that will inevitably result in different academic standards for athletes.  This already exists at a bunch of the P4 schools.  I think it will become much more the norm going forward, even in the B1G.  If you're buying championships, you're not all that concerned about the research potential on your roster.

[Loyal Coug]

On 5/17/2024 at 11:14 PM, utenation said:

lol. Get it all out.  Atta boy. Keep blaming Utah for your problems.
 

Why didn’t WSU’s President put a stop to or throw a flag on thinking they could get more money? Sounds like a room full of morons to me. 
 

And you’re not bitter right? Let’s go ahead and shoot Utah’s president and a professor. 
 

There isn’t anything WSU has that we would ever want btw. 
 

Keep those tears flowing. 
 

Yeah I'm bitter. Who wouldn't be?  My alma mater got f-ed. And yes our inept president and our Commissioner and the other idiot Pac-12 presidents were morons for listening to Utah's president and "your" dipshit professor. Who were to blame for the ESPN fiasco. I use italics on "your" because I doubt that you have a degree from Utah.  

So why again are you on this board with your 20,000 posts? I came here to talk about our possible merger, and our upcoming FB games with the Mtn West.

And another fun Cougar fact. The Houston Cougars got their name in 1927 when they hired a former WSU FB coach who liked the mascot.

[RebelAlliance]

On 5/18/2024 at 3:38 PM, Headbutt said:

Yeah, pretty much.  As far as athletic departments are concerned anyway.  There's no denying the academic quality of the schools in the Big 10, not what I was saying at all.  I'm saying that the P4 is rushing to a pay-for-play model that will inevitably result in different academic standards for athletes.  This already exists at a bunch of the P4 schools.  I think it will become much more the norm going forward, even in the B1G.  If you're buying championships, you're not all that concerned about the research potential on your roster.

Any school that isn't open admissions already has different academic standards for athletes.  Everyone absolutely does it, not just a bunch of P4 schools.  Reno and UNLV reject barely 10% of their applicants, but I'll bet that both have a bunch of football players that would be in that 10%..  Average SAT at Michigan and Ohio State is 1450 and 1400 respectively., and I doubt that their average for football players comes within 400 points of that., and both hide their athletes out in sports management and kinesiology majors to stay eligible.  Remember Harbaugh whining that his coaches wouldn't let him major in History, telling him there was no way he could keep up with the reading.  And the Ivies/Stanford do the same thing in their own way too--remember the Varsity Blues scandal.

Where I think you're on to something is that I could see the P4 scrapping the student-athlete model (charade based on how you look at it) entirely.  An athlete who wants a scholarship will get one, but it won't be required.

[Headbutt]

On 5/18/2024 at 4:25 PM, RebelAlliance said:

Any school that isn't open admissions already has different academic standards for athletes.  Everyone absolutely does it, not just a bunch of P4 schools.  Reno and UNLV reject barely 10% of their applicants, but I'll bet that both have a bunch of football players that would be in that 10%..  Average SAT at Michigan and Ohio State is 1450 and 1400 respectively., and I doubt that their average for football players comes within 400 points of that., and both hide their athletes out in sports management and kinesiology majors to stay eligible.  Remember Harbaugh whining that his coaches wouldn't let him major in History, telling him there was no way he could keep up with the reading.  And the Ivies/Stanford do the same thing in their own way too--remember the Varsity Blues scandal.

Where I think you're on to something is that I could see the P4 scrapping the student-athlete model (charade based on how you look at it) entirely.  An athlete who wants a scholarship will get one, but it won't be required.

Kind of what I'm trying to say actually.  I know that the "charade" exists at all levels.  My thoughts are that while pretending to educate athletes will carry far less weight and straight up athletic performance will openly trump education at the highest level, that the next level, (and maybe this is more hope than vision) will take advantage of leaving the arms race to once again put more emphasis on academics.  If/when this big split happens, the second tier of conferences will have the opportunity to create whatever set of rules and standards they choose.  Once relieved of the arms race, university presidents will have a chance to make college athletics into more of how they'd like to see it as opposed to following the leader that they can never catch.

[BYUcougfan]

On 5/17/2024 at 9:24 PM, Loyal Coug said:

I'm glad you found it interesting. Us Cougs found it traitorous, devastating and all around F-ed.

Point of historical fact, WSU became the Cougars in 1919, BYU became the Cougars in 1953 after your designation as a "cosmopolitan" school. I'm not making this up.

And to Ute's previous post - that Utah professor should be shot, the Prez too. The fact that this inflated self-worth shit in our face and that the Big-12 snapped up basically the same deal immediately show how stupid the Pac-(10 at that point) were. And that F-ing Utah, who we welcomed in from the Mtn West (or was it still the WAC?), is the reason is pretty BS. 

Good for you winning the prize for the oldest Cougar mascot in the west.  I have a hard time sleeping at night knowing other schools called themselves cougars before BYU did.  I get you are bitter.  I would be mad as hell too, but neither me nor BYU had anything to do with your alma mater's current predicament.  That is kind of where my sympathy ends.  You would not give a rip if things had turned out differently and the Big XII had imploded.  WSU sucked at the teat of UCLA, USC, UO, and UW for the past 40 years, if not longer.  It is not my fault, or BYU's fault, or even (can't believe I am saying this) Utah's fault that WSU did not make more of its revenue sports than it did...even with all the advantages of Pac10 membership.  Does it suck what happened?  Yeah, but the writing has been on the wall for 30 years.  WSU could have voted to expand many years ago to insulate itself from what just happened.  Instead, WSU looked down it's nose at all the other schools in the west (including BYU) and voted lock step with the schools that dropped you in a hot minute when their paychecks were threatened.  You did not spare BYU, or any other western school, even any crocodile tears and now I am supposed to what....feel sorry that you got left out?  Sorry.

Who knows what will happen in the next 10 years?  BYU could be out on its ear too.  For now, we are on the inside (sort of).

[Loyal Coug]

On 5/18/2024 at 4:11 PM, BYUcougfan said:

Good for you winning the prize for the oldest Cougar mascot in the west.  I have a hard time sleeping at night knowing other schools called themselves cougars before BYU did.  I get you are bitter.  I would be mad as hell too, but neither me nor BYU had anything to do with your alma mater's current predicament.  That is kind of where my sympathy ends.  You would not give a rip if things had turned out differently and the Big XII had imploded.  WSU sucked at the teat of UCLA, USC, UO, and UW for the past 40 years, if not longer.  It is not my fault, or BYU's fault, or even (can't believe I am saying this) Utah's fault that WSU did not make more of its revenue sports than it did...even with all the advantages of Pac10 membership.  Does it suck what happened?  Yeah, but the writing has been on the wall for 30 years.  WSU could have voted to expand many years ago to insulate itself from what just happened.  Instead, WSU looked down it's nose at all the other schools in the west (including BYU) and voted lock step with the schools that dropped you in a hot minute when their paychecks were threatened.  You did not spare BYU, or any other western school, even any crocodile tears and now I am supposed to what....feel sorry that you got left out?  Sorry.

Who knows what will happen in the next 10 years?  BYU could be out on its ear too.  For now, we are on the inside (sort of).

Hey, wasn't trying to insult BYU with the mascot thing. Not sure why I even posted it - but my bad.

I don't disagree with much of what you say here. As far as the PAC never considering BYU, you weren't Tier 1 in research (Basically mandatory). The no play on Sundays was also a non-starter,

as Baseball and WBB always play on Sunday, Not sure how the Big-12 will handle that but good luck too you. We had some good games over the years. Except that your refs sucked. Peace.

[Headbutt]

On 5/18/2024 at 6:03 PM, Loyal Coug said:

Hey, wasn't trying to insult BYU with the mascot thing. Not sure why I even posted it - but my bad.

I don't disagree with much of what you say here. As far as the PAC never considering BYU, you weren't Tier 1 in research (Basically mandatory). The no play on Sundays was also a non-starter,

as Baseball and WBB always play on Sunday, Not sure how the Big-12 will handle that but good luck too you. We had some good games over the years. Except that your refs sucked. Peace.

OK, I've got no dog in this fight but a Pac 12 refugee complaining about somebody else's refs is just epic.  The Pac 12 was renowned for their biased and crappy officials.

[DestinFlPackfan]

On 5/18/2024 at 7:19 PM, Headbutt said:

OK, I've got no dog in this fight but a Pac 12 refugee complaining about somebody else's refs is just epic.  The Pac 12 was renowned for their biased and crappy officials.

He's prepping for MWC boarding....