Conference Realignment thread

[utenation]

On 5/9/2024 at 7:17 PM, Headbutt said:

Well, we were essentially banned from the playoffs.  Now we are guaranteed a place in the playoffs if we can outperform the other G5's.  Simply put, it is easier.

Will we get a shot against anybody but the assumed, eventual champion?  No.  Will we get an equal paycheck? No.

But yes, it is much easier to get a chance to show up.  Possible is always easier than impossible.

I personally think it will be great to see G5 squads in the playoffs.  This system isn’t  perfect but it’s much better than the BCS era. In 2004, Utah had to finish top 4 in the country to get to a BCS bowl.  I think that rule was in place in 2008 too but I can’t remember. 
 

TCU, Utah, Boise State and a few others had some G5 teams that would have done well in the playoffs I think. 
 

It’s getting harder and harder for G5 teams to keep good talent but maybe a few teams can catch lightning in a bottle the next few years. 

[OzzyOzz]

On 5/9/2024 at 6:57 PM, Headbutt said:

For what?  You're not our ticket to a playoff appearance, quite the opposite actually.

I should have said congratulations lol. It's sour grapes is all, you're welcome. You know the west coast basically lost its Ivy league equivalent? That's why I'm still sour..

Nice picture though but I already told you I'm a Coug. Not a lion. Not a cat. Not even the mirror. Go Cougs. 

[Headbutt]

On 5/9/2024 at 8:12 PM, utenation said:

I personally think it will be great to see G5 squads in the playoffs.  This system isn’t  perfect but it’s much better than the BCS era. In 2004, Utah had to finish top 4 in the country to get to a BCS bowl.  I think that rule was in place in 2008 too but I can’t remember. 
 

TCU, Utah, Boise State and a few others had some G5 teams that would have done well in the playoffs I think. 
 

It’s getting harder and harder for G5 teams to keep good talent but maybe a few teams can catch lightning in a bottle the next few years. 

Lightning in a bottle?  Yeah, that would be nice, but the odds keep getting longer just because of the reason you stated.

As far as history, I don't think Boise would've ever got a sniff.  They were in the WAC, and a major upstart that could not be allowed in at any cost.  TCU and Utah did get the shot to prove their mettle and delivered.  Hawaii as well.  Not saying Boise couldn't, they just weren't going to be allowed.  The famous Fiesta Bowl victory locked them out.  It was too scary of a prospect.  Utah and TCU were more unexpected by the BcS elite, and for some reason a much easier loss to explain away.

As far as the G5 getting into the playoffs, it's just letting the caddies into the country club for a day.  Condescending, but a definite political expediency.  We'll take it.  What choice do we have?  It'd be nice to just say F You and go our way, but that won't feed the bulldog.  Gotta' take what we can get and try to make something of it.  I'll refer again to Utah and TCU.  They kicked the door in.  That's why they're currently P4.  The rest of us have to do the same, even though the deck is even more stacked than it was in those days.

[OzzyOzz]

On 5/9/2024 at 7:12 PM, utenation said:

I personally think it will be great to see G5 squads in the playoffs.  This system isn’t  perfect but it’s much better than the BCS era. In 2004, Utah had to finish top 4 in the country to get to a BCS bowl.  I think that rule was in place in 2008 too but I can’t remember. 
 

TCU, Utah, Boise State and a few others had some G5 teams that would have done well in the playoffs I think. 
 

It’s getting harder and harder for G5 teams to keep good talent but maybe a few teams can catch lightning in a bottle the next few years. 

Why would new recruits from like Indiana University or Minnesota or even Iowa..why would they even want to play there? Especially with the Huskies and Ducks joining. Good luck bottom half of the Big 10. They have zero chances at the playoffs or a national title so the MWC could go recruiting there... Tell them as long as they make the playoffs, get national exposure by beating the best on the biggest stage, they'll get drafted and get paid by the NFL. 

Where is the best road to the NFL? Well not being scrubs at Illinois. 

You want NFL money? You want playoff exposure? You want to get drafted? Welp, go try your chances against Michigan or Ohio State or Penn or the Huskies or the Ducks..Mr. Student Athlete heading to Northwestern..or, you know, come actually try to win a natty through any team here. 

Also, if CSU beats Texas then the MWC+Pac 2 gets the fifth best conference ranking and so, we might get 2 or even 3 teams in the playoffs from the MWC..

Why not?

 

[utenation]

On 5/9/2024 at 8:24 PM, Headbutt said:

Lightning in a bottle?  Yeah, that would be nice, but the odds keep getting longer just because of the reason you stated.

As far as history, I don't think Boise would've ever got a sniff.  They were in the WAC, and a major upstart that could not be allowed in at any cost.  TCU and Utah did get the shot to prove their mettle and delivered.  Hawaii as well.  Not saying Boise couldn't, they just weren't going to be allowed.  The famous Fiesta Bowl victory locked them out.  It was too scary of a prospect.  Utah and TCU were more unexpected by the BcS elite, and for some reason a much easier loss to explain away.

As far as the G5 getting into the playoffs, it's just letting the caddies into the country club for a day.  Condescending, but a definite political expediency.  We'll take it.  What choice do we have?  It'd be nice to just say F You and go our way, but that won't feed the bulldog.  Gotta' take what we can get and try to make something of it.  I'll refer again to Utah and TCU.  They kicked the door in.  That's why they're currently P4.  The rest of us have to do the same, even though the deck is even more stacked than it was in those days.

My Boise choice was based purely on how good of teams they were. The 2006 team was good and a few of the Kellen Moore teams too.  
 

The lightening in a bottle was me just being positive. But the deck stacking has ruined the game. I remember when the MWC was making a push to be a P6 when the BE was losing credibility. 
 

All this realignment and NIL nonsense will force Kyle Whittingham to retire early.  He knows we have to stay in the game but that doesn’t mean he likes it. 

[Headbutt]

On 5/9/2024 at 8:47 PM, OzzyOzz said:

Why would new recruits from like Indiana University or Minnesota or even Iowa..why would they even want to play there? Especially with the Huskies and Ducks joining. Good luck bottom half of the Big 10. They have zero chances at the playoffs or a national title so the MWC could go recruiting there... Tell them as long as they make the playoffs, get national exposure by beating the best on the biggest stage, they'll get drafted and get paid by the NFL. 

Where is the best road to the NFL? Well not being scrubs at Illinois. 

You want NFL money? You want playoff exposure? You want to get drafted? Welp, go try your chances against Michigan or Ohio State or Penn or the Huskies or the Ducks..Mr. Student Athlete heading to Northwestern..or, you know, come actually try to win a natty through any team here. 

Also, if CSU beats Texas then the MWC+Pac 2 gets the fifth best conference ranking and so, we might get 2 or even 3 teams in the playoffs from the MWC..

Why not?

 

Because Indiana, Minnesota, and even Iowa pay better.  And CSU ain't gonna' beat Texas.  The MWC will still be the #5 conference.  That's beside the poin.

[Headbutt]

On 5/9/2024 at 8:49 PM, utenation said:

My Boise choice was based purely on how good of teams they were. The 2006 team was good and a few of the Kellen Moore teams too.  
 

The lightening in a bottle was me just being positive. But the deck stacking has ruined the game. I remember when the MWC was making a push to be a P6 when the BE was losing credibility. 
 

All this realignment and NIL nonsense will force Kyle Whittingham to retire early.  He knows we have to stay in the game but that doesn’t mean he likes it. 

The MWC actually did qualify (by the numbers and bylaws) to be a BcS conference.  That's when Utah and TCU were "called up" and the rules were changed. 

It hasn't been about the health of college football in a very long time, merely the health of the college football industry.

Whit?  Yeah, I can see where this all doesn't sit well in his stomach.  I can see a number of CFB coaches (especially the ones who've made their bones financially) putting in their notice.  That job just became far more than even the biggest go-getter wants to deal with.

[utenation]

On 5/9/2024 at 8:59 PM, Headbutt said:

The MWC actually did qualify (by the numbers and bylaws) to be a BcS conference.  That's when Utah and TCU were "called up" and the rules were changed. 

It hasn't been about the health of college football in a very long time, merely the health of the college football industry.

Whit?  Yeah, I can see where this all doesn't sit well in his stomach.  I can see a number of CFB coaches (especially the ones who've made their bones financially) putting in their notice.  That job just became far more than even the biggest go-getter wants to deal with.

Kyle drives an old shit box truck to work and rides a pedal bike around campus.  He’ll never say it publicly to save his own environment but I’m 99.9% sure he thinks getting a free college education should be enough.  When NIL started building up, he gave his little grumbles. 
 

Different era for that man. 

[OzzyOzz]

On 5/9/2024 at 7:24 PM, Headbutt said:

Lightning in a bottle?  Yeah, that would be nice, but the odds keep getting longer just because of the reason you stated.

As far as history, I don't think Boise would've ever got a sniff.  They were in the WAC, and a major upstart that could not be allowed in at any cost.  TCU and Utah did get the shot to prove their mettle and delivered.  Hawaii as well.  Not saying Boise couldn't, they just weren't going to be allowed.  The famous Fiesta Bowl victory locked them out.  It was too scary of a prospect.  Utah and TCU were more unexpected by the BcS elite, and for some reason a much easier loss to explain away.

As far as the G5 getting into the playoffs, it's just letting the caddies into the country club for a day.  Condescending, but a definite political expediency.  We'll take it.  What choice do we have?  It'd be nice to just say F You and go our way, but that won't feed the bulldog.  Gotta' take what we can get and try to make something of it.  I'll refer again to Utah and TCU.  They kicked the door in.  That's why they're currently P4.  The rest of us have to do the same, even though the deck is even more stacked than it was in those days.

First of all, I'm a dumbass but I'm assuming the 5+7 model will be, SEC Big 10, Big 12, ACC, AAC or MWC. And the next highest 7 will usually be from those conferences...so how does a G5 school actually automatically get a spot in the playoffs? If it is to be earned via ranking, then it is honestly not automatic. 

Besides, the MWC+PAC 2 will be a top 5 conference. I mean...I give CSU vs Texas a good chance and even if not, as long as we are the better conference on the field, we get in. The results are the results. 

But how does a G5 team actually automatically get in? Top 5+next best 7...umm, it doesn't compute. 

Yall are going to make black people start firing your coaches. Do what's right. 

It's top 6+5+auto for g4. Good luck. 

Stop moving the goal posts and trying to kick people out of society. 

Again, the point of college expansion was to increase fairness. Instead they want to make more unfair. Whoever is doing that, those white people behind walls making unfair decisions...yeah, maybe they should get fired. The easy way or the hard way. Their choice. 

 

[OzzyOzz]

On 5/9/2024 at 7:52 PM, Headbutt said:

Because Indiana, Minnesota, and even Iowa pay better.  And CSU ain't gonna' beat Texas.  The MWC will still be the #5 conference.  That's beside the poin.

Why aren't math majors paid? Education majors? 

Don't athletes get paid to throw a ball in the NFL. Why not high school athletes getting paid? 

No kid should ever do anything but play sports and go to acting classes. That's the only way to get money in this society.

That's garbage too.

America is literally becoming a trash society..they're just making it trashier. 

[OzzyOzz]

On 5/9/2024 at 7:59 PM, Headbutt said:

The MWC actually did qualify (by the numbers and bylaws) to be a BcS conference.  That's when Utah and TCU were "called up" and the rules were changed. 

It hasn't been about the health of college football in a very long time, merely the health of the college football industry.

Whit?  Yeah, I can see where this all doesn't sit well in his stomach.  I can see a number of CFB coaches (especially the ones who've made their bones financially) putting in their notice.  That job just became far more than even the biggest go-getter wants to deal with.

I think they should leave. I'm guessing athletes are getting fed up with you all trying to constantly do what's morally wrong and they may be up to things much wilder, like a protest. I hope not. Where do these people live lol

Be careful. Good wins out against evil. The easy way or the hard way. 

First and foremost, why are student athletes getting paid millions? Pay the student teacher. As in, throwing a ball isn't more important than being a teacher. People need to be well compensated for doing what they are gifted at. You can't allow vanity to make some people live barely out of poverty, paycheck to paycheck because our time doesn't reward his gifts...

Meanwhile, other people are getting millions because watching him is fun? You know what's more important than fun? Food, clothes, shelter etc etc

That's how we live. Pay people equitability. I need people to help me figure it out..but I'm tired of classism. Needs to be checked. 

 

[Headbutt]

On 5/9/2024 at 9:13 PM, OzzyOzz said:

First of all, I'm a dumbass but I'm assuming the 5+7 model will be, SEC Big 10, Big 12, ACC, AAC or MWC. And the next highest 7 will usually be from those conferences...so how does a G5 school actually automatically get a spot in the playoffs? If it is to be earned via ranking, then it is honestly not automatic. 

Besides, the MWC+PAC 2 will be a top 5 conference. I mean...I give CSU vs Texas a good chance and even if not, as long as we are the better conference on the field, we get in. The results are the results. 

But how does a G5 team actually automatically get in? Top 5+next best 7...umm, it doesn't compute. 

Yall are going to make black people start firing your coaches. Do what's right. 

It's top 6+5+auto for g4. Good luck. 

Stop moving the goal posts and trying to kick people out of society. 

Again, the point of college expansion was to increase fairness. Instead they want to make more unfair. Whoever is doing that, those white people behind walls making unfair decisions...yeah, maybe they should get fired. The easy way or the hard way. Their choice. 

 

I get your sentiment, but it's top 5 conference champions.  That's the champion of the P4 for the first 4 spots and then the highest ranked conference champion of the the G5 group.  The G5 is guaranteed a spot.  The other 7 will obviously be at large entrants and will without a doubt not come from the G5.  I'm not saying it's a good deal, I'm just saying that the G5 is guaranteed a spot and that is more than likely a MWC team since the AAC has gone to crap.  Could be Sunbelt, CUSA, etc, no question about it, but it's there for the MWC to take.  No excuses.

I don't care for the MWC+Pac 2 verbiage.  You're in or you're out.  Not an addition or a booster to the process.  Maybe it'll be the Pac 14 or the MWC 14.  It doesn't matter.   It's one entity or it fails.

[818SUDSFan]

On 5/9/2024 at 8:09 PM, utenation said:

Kyle drives an old shit box truck to work and rides a pedal bike around campus.  He’ll never say it publicly to save his own environment but I’m 99.9% sure he thinks getting a free college education should be enough.  When NIL started building up, he gave his little grumbles. 
 

Different era for that man. 

He's a great coach and you're very lucky to have him.

Of course, you knew that.

[utenation]

On 5/9/2024 at 9:22 PM, Headbutt said:

I'm just saying that the G5 is guaranteed a spot and that is more than likely a MWC team since the AAC has gone to crap.  Could be Sunbelt, CUSA, etc, no question about it, but it's there for the MWC to take.  No excuses.

 

The only teams I can think of are Liberty and James Madison. No idea of what they have coming back though. 

[OzzyOzz]

On 5/9/2024 at 8:22 PM, Headbutt said:

I get your sentiment, but it's top 5 conference champions.  That's the champion of the P4 for the first 4 spots and then the highest ranked conference champion of the the G5 group.  The G5 is guaranteed a spot.  The other 7 will obviously be at large entrants and will without a doubt not come from the G5.  I'm not saying it's a good deal, I'm just saying that the G5 is guaranteed a spot and that is more than likely a MWC team since the AAC has gone to crap.  Could be Sunbelt, CUSA, etc, no question about it, but it's there for the MWC to take.  No excuses.

I don't care for the MWC+Pac 2 verbiage.  You're in or you're out.  Not an addition or a booster to the process.  Maybe it'll be the Pac 14 or the MWC 14.  It doesn't matter.   It's one entity or it fails.

According ESPN

 

The College Football Playoff board of managers unanimously approved a model that will guarantee the five highest-ranked conference champions' inclusion in the expanded 12-team field this fall, along with the next seven highest-ranked teams, the CFP announced Tuesday.

 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39563282/cfp-unanimously-approves-5+7-model-new-12-team-playoff

Where are you getting your information, about P4 teams?

 

Are you all actually like serious?

I wish I could actually see the paper they signed. Because if that's the case, 5+7...well, that means G5 has no shot actually. 

So it's top 5, hopefully the MWC...and then AAC would be the next best ranked G5 team and then a middle 6? 

What's your source? 

[utenation]

On 5/9/2024 at 9:25 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

He's a great coach and you're very lucky to have him.

Of course, you knew that.

Yes sir.  KW is treated like a god in Ute World. Look for his name on the field or the stadium when he’s done. 

He also has a cushy advisor role job at Utah waiting for him after coaching if he wants. His great, great grand children will never have to pay for an education at Utah. 

[Headbutt]

On 5/9/2024 at 9:31 PM, utenation said:

The only teams I can think of are Liberty and James Madison. No idea of what they have coming back though. 

There's always a surprise.  I still stand by my opinion that the MWC should expect to be head and shoulders above the rest of the G5 though, and should be really pissed at themselves if they can't scrape up the best of the rest out of this lineup.

[utenation]

On 5/9/2024 at 9:37 PM, Headbutt said:

There's always a surprise.  I still stand by my opinion that the MWC should expect to be head and shoulders above the rest of the G5 though, and should be really pissed at themselves if they can't scrape up the best of the rest out of this lineup.

I like your opinion. The MWC needs to get it done. Been too long since the MWC made a statement. 

[OzzyOzz]

On 5/9/2024 at 8:22 PM, Headbutt said:

I get your sentiment, but it's top 5 conference champions.  That's the champion of the P4 for the first 4 spots and then the highest ranked conference champion of the the G5 group.  The G5 is guaranteed a spot.  The other 7 will obviously be at large entrants and will without a doubt not come from the G5.  I'm not saying it's a good deal, I'm just saying that the G5 is guaranteed a spot and that is more than likely a MWC team since the AAC has gone to crap.  Could be Sunbelt, CUSA, etc, no question about it, but it's there for the MWC to take.  No excuses.

I don't care for the MWC+Pac 2 verbiage.  You're in or you're out.  Not an addition or a booster to the process.  Maybe it'll be the Pac 14 or the MWC 14.  It doesn't matter.   It's one entity or it fails.

Failure is an option. I'm going to grad school for a reason. You all, do you want a national protest? Because you are about to get a national protest. 

The spirit of college playoff expansion was more inclusivity. If that doesn't happen then perhaps these games don't happen. 

What are you all thinking? 

[Headbutt]

On 5/9/2024 at 9:35 PM, OzzyOzz said:

According ESPN

 

The College Football Playoff board of managers unanimously approved a model that will guarantee the five highest-ranked conference champions' inclusion in the expanded 12-team field this fall, along with the next seven highest-ranked teams, the CFP announced Tuesday.

 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39563282/cfp-unanimously-approves-5+7-model-new-12-team-playoff

Where are you getting your information, about P4 teams?

 

Are you all actually like serious?

I wish I could actually see the paper they signed. Because if that's the case, 5+7...well, that means G5 has no shot actually. 

So it's top 5, hopefully the MWC...and then AAC would be the next best ranked G5 team and then a middle 6? 

What's your source? 

There are four P4 conferences.  Is that clear?  All the rest are G5.  Therefore, the 5th highest rated conference champion has to come from the G5.  The number two SEC team doesn't qualify as one of the 5 highest ranked conference champions.  By definition, 5 conferences send their champion to the CFP.  Four of those will come from the P4.  Since there isn't a 5th P4, it will be guaranteed to be a G5 champion.  That is the only option.