---I GREEN INFECTION I--- Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 On 4/2/2024 at 1:13 PM, jdgaucho said: Can't feel sorry for them. No one is asking you to. U$C is complicit. One of many variables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/1/2024 at 7:12 PM, RSF said: People are missing an important point. Pac12 no longer has an affiliation with the Rose Bowl due to the CFP expansion. Same goes for the other contract bowls. The money from this past Rose Bowl game will be part of the final conference distibution. From the OSU boards The Rose Bowl contract is set. Disney is set to pay the Pac-12 $50 million per year through the Rose Bowl. That is one of the things that was secured back, when the playoff expanded from four teams to 12 teams. ESPN still has to pay the Big Ten and Pac-12 for the final two years of the contract, regardless of whether a Big Ten or Pac-2 team plays there or not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/3/2024 at 1:30 PM, Billings said: From the OSU boards The Rose Bowl contract is set. Disney is set to pay the Pac-12 $50 million per year through the Rose Bowl. That is one of the things that was secured back, when the playoff expanded from four teams to 12 teams. ESPN still has to pay the Big Ten and Pac-12 for the final two years of the contract, regardless of whether a Big Ten or Pac-2 team plays there or not. https://www.deseret.com/2024/2/14/24072888/former-pac-12-schools-likely-to-play-in-pac-12-affiliated-bowl-games-in-2024-and-2025/#:~:text=The Pac-12-affiliated bowl,ESPN event bowl in 2025). The Rose Bowl is no longer affiliated with the Pac-12 due to the expansion of the College Football Playoff. Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/3/2024 at 11:53 AM, RSF said: https://www.deseret.com/2024/2/14/24072888/former-pac-12-schools-likely-to-play-in-pac-12-affiliated-bowl-games-in-2024-and-2025/#:~:text=The Pac-12-affiliated bowl,ESPN event bowl in 2025). The Rose Bowl is no longer affiliated with the Pac-12 due to the expansion of the College Football Playoff. true, but to get the 12 team expansion through they had to agree to pay the PAC and BIG the rose bowl payouts regardless of any affiliation. Remember it had to be an unanimous vote. At least according to OSU fans on this topic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utgrizfan Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/3/2024 at 12:55 PM, Billings said: true, but to get the 12 team expansion through they had to agree to pay the PAC and BIG the rose bowl payouts regardless of any affiliation. Remember it had to be an unanimous vote. At least according to OSU fans on this topic Wasn't just OSU fans, was talked about on other Forums and mentioned on here before. In order for the Playoff expansion to occur there had to be a unanimous vote with all Conferences + ND and the PAC2 had the power to derail it. Would make sense giving the PAC2 a garunteed $100 million financial compensation from ESPN to ensure 3 SEC Playoff spots (and 2 ACC) moving forward, which will generate more $$ for ESPN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/1/2024 at 10:13 PM, NorthWestCowboy said: Back to my only real point here, I do think WSU and OSU are perfect fits for the MWC. Once they accept their all but certain fate they will be stabilizing assets. For now I don't blame them for being sore about how their athletic and financial worlds have imploaded. They'll likely get somewhat of a soft landing by inheriting the lions share of the PAC coffers but they are coming down to Earth quickly and in a big way. I've pretty much stayed out the the P2-MWC Merger or whatever it becomes. I liked this part of your post. From my seat, the P2 and their fans are having a really hard time accepting they no longer have power status. I see it in my discussions with fans of these two schools. Even to the point of acting like they suddenly became wealthy over night with remaining P12 assets and trying to throw it in the faces of exiting P12 schools. Not realizing all schools not named Stanford and Cal will be fine financially. After all the dust settles, I also think the MWC will be a good spot for the P2 after they get all the financials worked out. Biggest adjustment will be budget reductions unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/3/2024 at 1:55 PM, Billings said: true, but to get the 12 team expansion through they had to agree to pay the PAC and BIG the rose bowl payouts regardless of any affiliation. Remember it had to be an unanimous vote. At least according to OSU fans on this topic says who? certainly nobody has said that out loud On 4/3/2024 at 2:08 PM, utgrizfan said: Wasn't just OSU fans, was talked about on other Forums and mentioned on here before. In order for expansion to occur had to be a unanimous vote with all Conferences + ND and the PAC2 had the power to derail it. Would make sense giving the PAC2 a garunteed $100 million financial compensation from ESPN to ensure 3 SEC Playoff spots (and 2 ACC) moving forward, which will generate more $$ for ESPN. 'other forums'. Until someone official says something, I'm going to with an actual reporter over some guy from a message board. The other contract bowls are in the same boat. 1 Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utgrizfan Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/3/2024 at 1:20 PM, RSF said: says who? certainly nobody has said that out loud 'other forums'. Until someone official says something, I'm going to with an actual reporter over some guy from a message board. "The College Football Playoff board of managers is expected to vote Feb. 20 on a model that would include the five highest-ranked conference champions and the next seven highest-ranked teams in the 12-team playoff this fall -- a format change that could finally get the unanimous backing it needs if the Pac-12 agrees to it." https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39520319/college-football-playoff-board-managers-expected-vote-5-plus-7-format Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/3/2024 at 2:24 PM, utgrizfan said: "The College Football Playoff board of managers is expected to vote Feb. 20 on a model that would include the five highest-ranked conference champions and the next seven highest-ranked teams in the 12-team playoff this fall -- a format change that could finally get the unanimous backing it needs if the Pac-12 agrees to it." https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39520319/college-football-playoff-board-managers-expected-vote-5-plus-7-format i dont see 50 million dollars being mentioned there. did see this though. Next Tuesday's virtual meeting will give Schulz an opportunity to formally present the league's requested revenue distribution in the next CFP contract. For the next two years, the remainder of the CFP's current 12-year contract, Washington State and Oregon State will each continue to receive the full Power 5 revenue distribution, which is $5-6 million per school. They are asking to continue to receive that amount in the next CFP contract, not knowing what their conference affiliation will be. Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utgrizfan Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/3/2024 at 1:26 PM, RSF said: i dont see 50 million dollars being mentioned there. did see this though. Next Tuesday's virtual meeting will give Schulz an opportunity to formally present the league's requested revenue distribution in the next CFP contract. For the next two years, the remainder of the CFP's current 12-year contract, Washington State and Oregon State will each continue to receive the full Power 5 revenue distribution, which is $5-6 million per school. They are asking to continue to receive that amount in the next CFP contract, not knowing what their conference affiliation will be. "In addition to football playoff payments, the Cougars and Beavers have sole access to the terms of the Rose Bowl’s agreement with the Pac-12, its longtime partner. That deal remains in place for the next two seasons, to coincide with the playoff’s contract cycle. And it’s a whopper: The Pac-12 receives approximately $50 million annually as part of the agreement with the Granddaddy. The math: $50 million for two years is $100 million." https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2024/apr/01/pac-12-survival-tallying-the-cash-available-to-was/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/3/2024 at 2:39 PM, utgrizfan said: "In addition to football playoff payments, the Cougars and Beavers have sole access to the terms of the Rose Bowl’s agreement with the Pac-12, its longtime partner. That deal remains in place for the next two seasons, to coincide with the playoff’s contract cycle. And it’s a whopper: The Pac-12 receives approximately $50 million annually as part of the agreement with the Granddaddy. The math: $50 million for two years is $100 million." https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2024/apr/01/pac-12-survival-tallying-the-cash-available-to-was/ and we're back at wilner, which is where this started in the 1st place. No affiliation, no money. Again, if somebody official says different, I'll be more than happy to concede. 1 1 Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/3/2024 at 12:20 PM, RSF said: says who? certainly nobody has said that out loud 'other forums'. Until someone official says something, I'm going to with an actual reporter over some guy from a message board. The other contract bowls are in the same boat. Wilner and his article for one https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2024/apr/01/pac-12-survival-tallying-the-cash-available-to-was/ Rose Bowl revenue In addition to football playoff payments, the Cougars and Beavers have sole access to the terms of the Rose Bowl’s agreement with the Pac-12, its longtime partner. That deal remains in place for the next two seasons, to coincide with the playoff’s contract cycle. And it’s a whopper: The Pac-12 receives approximately $50 million annually as part of the agreement with the Granddaddy. The math: $50 million for two years is $100 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawaiiMongoose Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 On 4/3/2024 at 11:41 AM, Billings said: Wilner and his article for one https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2024/apr/01/pac-12-survival-tallying-the-cash-available-to-was/ Rose Bowl revenue In addition to football playoff payments, the Cougars and Beavers have sole access to the terms of the Rose Bowl’s agreement with the Pac-12, its longtime partner. That deal remains in place for the next two seasons, to coincide with the playoff’s contract cycle. And it’s a whopper: The Pac-12 receives approximately $50 million annually as part of the agreement with the Granddaddy. The math: $50 million for two years is $100 million. Wilner by himself is not a reliable source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalsean Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/04/oregon-state-sophomore-guard-jordan-pope-headed-to-transfer-portal-a-stunning-loss-for-beaver-mens-basketball.html OSU has 5 mens bball players transferring so far, which is close to half. Apparently the WCC is not a draw for them.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 It looks like the CFP players literally paid off the Pac2 to go away. Going forward, once the new CFP deal expires, I have no doubt the Power Two will consolidate with the best ACC and New12 adds. The Big12 survives as the #3 Conference and signs a new CFP deal allowing their Champion, as long as they are ranked in the Top 16, into the Playoff. The Power Two will pay off the Vanderbilt's and Indianas of their Conferences to go away. Most readily by following the Pac2 precedent and leaving the B1G and $EC dregs behind to form new Power Conferences. The remaining have-nots will get to keep the now Penny Stock versions, likenesses, and Rights of said Conferences. It's actually that easy. Quote "We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories." Americans Mayor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1st round goes to the ACC. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39874859/florida-state-motions-dismiss-acc-lawsuit-denied-nc-judge Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecSU Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 On 4/4/2024 at 9:01 AM, Chalsean said: https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/04/oregon-state-sophomore-guard-jordan-pope-headed-to-transfer-portal-a-stunning-loss-for-beaver-mens-basketball.html OSU has 5 mens bball players transferring so far, which is close to half. Apparently the WCC is not a draw for them.. The MW had the 4th most-watched conference championship game this year. Travel is def tough, but I have to believe both BB programs would be better off in the MW. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNLV2001 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 On 4/4/2024 at 9:01 AM, Chalsean said: https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2024/04/oregon-state-sophomore-guard-jordan-pope-headed-to-transfer-portal-a-stunning-loss-for-beaver-mens-basketball.html OSU has 5 mens bball players transferring so far, which is close to half. Apparently the WCC is not a draw for them.. OWSU did themselves no favors when they opted to toss their BB teams into the WCC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWestCowboy Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 On 4/4/2024 at 10:11 AM, Spaztecs said: It looks like the CFP players literally paid off the Pac2 to go away. Going forward, once the new CFP deal expires, I have no doubt the Power Two will consolidate with the best ACC and New12 adds. The Big12 survives as the #3 Conference and signs a new CFP deal allowing their Champion, as long as they are ranked in the Top 16, into the Playoff. The Power Two will pay off the Vanderbilt's and Indianas of their Conferences to go away. Most readily by following the Pac2 precedent and leaving the B1G and $EC dregs behind to form new Power Conferences. The remaining have-nots will get to keep the now Penny Stock versions, likenesses, and Rights of said Conferences. It's actually that easy. If/when the great divide comes I highly doubt the B1G or SEC will be kicking any conference members to the curb. In particular founding members like Vandy or a university like Indiana which has been in the conference since 1899. Your PAC-2 example arose from sheer survival as the rats fled the sinking ship. A scenario that could not be further from reality for the B1G or SEC. The B1G and SEC could very well be in the position of picking and choosing who can come along but they will pick and choose from the Big XII and ACC remanents and not from within. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowl Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 On 4/4/2024 at 1:34 PM, NorthWestCowboy said: If/when the great divide comes I highly doubt the B1G or SEC will be kicking any conference members to the curb. In particular founding members like Vandy or a university like Indiana which has been in the conference since 1899. Your PAC-2 example arose from sheer survival as the rats fled the sinking ship. A scenario that could not be further from reality for the B1G or SEC. The B1G and SEC could very well be in the position of picking and choosing who can come along but they will pick and choose from the Big XII and ACC remanents and not from within. The B1G bylaws specify that none of the original 10 can ever be removed from the conference under any circumstance. That was put into the bylaws in exchange for some reluctant schools to OK the first round of expansion way back when with Penn St. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...