Motown Monty Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 3/29/2024 at 10:46 AM, NorCalCoug said: Did I hurt your feelings? Truth is USU is an afterthought outside of Logan. Why do you come here to bash on the MWC? I mean, you log in to come in here and bash on USU fans. Same story with the TCU and Utah guy 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dealwit Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 3/29/2024 at 8:35 AM, alum93 said: And EP is bigger than Albq, yes. Just depends on where you want to draw the line, but city population per Google EP is 677k anbd Albq is 561k, or 110k bigger there. But if you want to talk metro and just draw a bigger circle, that is fine. Point is both are still decent size cities and someone saying EP isn't growing fast enough as a reason they shouldn't be picked while simultaneously showing numbers for a town of 54k in Logan and surrounding area doesn't make for a good argument. There are certainly good reasons to discuss and debate expansion regarding UTEP and EP, but population growth isn't one of them. I think UTEP and NMSU will both stay in CUSA for the foreseeable future and i am good with that. If musical chairs start again with the big boys like last year, which i don't see happening, then so be it. When talking about market size or even TV market size, Metro areas are considered not just the city itself. So the line is drawn further out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alum93 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 3/29/2024 at 12:28 PM, Dealwit said: When talking about market size or even TV market size, Metro areas are considered not just the city itself. So the line is drawn further out. Yes, the question isn't how close Albq and EP are. They are very similar in population, unless of course you count Juarez which is enormous. But they are similar overall. Both are good sized cities, especially out west where there are a lot of states which simply don't have a lot of population. What isn't remotely close is Logan, which was my original response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 3/29/2024 at 11:12 AM, Motown Monty said: ...Some of us like the idea of growing the MWC, and recruiting more in Texas. and some of us don't think bigger is better, just more mouths to feed and don't see any need to expand the geographical footprint into Texas 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Monty Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 3/29/2024 at 1:01 PM, renoskier said: and some of us don't think bigger is better, just more mouths to feed and don't see any need to expand the geographical footprint into Texas that's a fair argument. I was mostly responding to @SteedLaw posts about why he thought Texas State and UTEP could benefit the MWC I don't know the numbers with TV, and if it would result in a reduction or not. That said I do think this mentality of "more mouths to feed" has been short sighted and caused the MWC to miss out on some decent schools over the years. Thinking mostly of UTSA I also would be curious to hear from UNM fans on if they like the idea of adding UTEP as a rival 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dealwit Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 3/29/2024 at 12:46 PM, alum93 said: Yes, the question isn't how close Albq and EP are. They are very similar in population, unless of course you count Juarez which is enormous. But they are similar overall. Both are good sized cities, especially out west where there are a lot of states which simply don't have a lot of population. What isn't remotely close is Logan, which was my original response. Logan is just 30 miles north of the Salt Lake metro area with north Ogden at the northern edge. Also Ft. Collin’s is just north of the Denver metro, as for Fresno, its metro is larger than El Paso’s. So basically all those including Albuquerque have significantly larger TV markets. As for the Montana schools, I don’t see the appeal for those very small markets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dealwit Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 3/29/2024 at 2:05 PM, Motown Monty said: that's a fair argument. I was mostly responding to @SteedLaw posts about why he thought Texas State and UTEP could benefit the MWC I don't know the numbers with TV, and if it would result in a reduction or not. That said I do think this mentality of "more mouths to feed" has been short sighted and caused the MWC to miss out on some decent schools over the years. Thinking mostly of UTSA I also would be curious to hear from UNM fans on if they like the idea of adding UTEP as a rival I don’t see a need to add teams just for the sake of adding. The pie just gets cut up in smaller pieces. Bringing UTEP on would not be beneficial besides a rival for UNM, their TV market which is shared with NMSU is #91. If Oregon State and WSU decide to join I’m fine with that as higher profile programs. But if not I’m fine without them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headbutt Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 3/29/2024 at 5:10 PM, Dealwit said: I don’t see a need to add teams just for the sake of adding. The pie just gets cut up in smaller pieces. Bringing UTEP on would not be beneficial besides a rival for UNM, their TV market which is shared with NMSU is #91. If Oregon State and WSU decide to join I’m fine with that as higher profile programs. But if not I’m fine without them. I like this line of thought. Just because P4 college athletics are rearranging the deck chairs, doesn't mean we shouldn't be launching a life boat instead. No reason to expand for the sake of expansion. We can argue all day about adding Montana, or Texas, or UTEP vs N. Texas, or whatever. The fact is, we don't have to expand. We absolutely don't NEED WSU/OSU. Good additions, but we certainly don't need them. Let's calm down and stabilize as opposed to joining the race to chaos just because everybody else is. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 3/29/2024 at 1:12 PM, Motown Monty said: Your opinion doesn't matter. You are a pathetic TCU fan, who trolls the MWC Board....all day long. Bashes on the MWC Unlike TCU, Texas State and UTEP have larger enrollments, and fit the MWC, because it isn't a school for rich kids. Some of us like the idea of growing the MWC, and recruiting more in Texas. TCU tuition is apparently $53,980 per year... So we really have not much in common with you guys. Go troll elsewhere Ok, Karen. Clearly you don't actually read the posts. Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 3/29/2024 at 6:27 PM, Headbutt said: I like this line of thought. Just because P4 college athletics are rearranging the deck chairs, doesn't mean we shouldn't be launching a life boat instead. No reason to expand for the sake of expansion. We can argue all day about adding Montana, or Texas, or UTEP vs N. Texas, or whatever. The fact is, we don't have to expand. We absolutely don't NEED WSU/OSU. Good additions, but we certainly don't need them. Let's calm down and stabilize as opposed to joining the race to chaos just because everybody else is. You're just an MWC basher... 1 Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headbutt Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 3/29/2024 at 5:40 PM, RSF said: You're just an MWC basher... As I said to Natty earlier, you outsiders who were part of building this conference, and still maintain an interest in our direction and welfare are more than welcome on this board IMO. All who behave like adults are welcome actually. Even when you disagree with the status quo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/29/2024 at 6:45 PM, Headbutt said: As I said to Natty earlier, you outsiders who were part of building this conference, and still maintain an interest in our direction and welfare are more than welcome on this board IMO. All who behave like adults are welcome actually. Even when you disagree with the status quo. Well, if I have to behave like an adult... 2 Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/29/2024 at 4:45 PM, Headbutt said: As I said to Natty earlier, you outsiders who were part of building this conference, and still maintain an interest in our direction and welfare are more than welcome on this board IMO. All who behave like adults are welcome actually. Even when you disagree with the status quo. our geographic/population footprint is pretty small. Adding Montana isn’t going to help but the Cougs are the 2nd team in the 13th largest state with a 7.8M population. To put that in context, that is more people than Wyoming, Hawaii, Idaho and New Mexico combined. When it comes to negotiating TV deals they matter a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headbutt Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/29/2024 at 6:10 PM, sactowndog said: our geographic/population footprint is pretty small. Adding Montana isn’t going to help but the Cougs are the 2nd team in the 13th largest state with a 7.8M population. To put that in context, that is more people than Wyoming, Hawaii, Idaho and New Mexico combined. When it comes to negotiating TV deals they matter a lot. Which Cougs are you referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headbutt Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/29/2024 at 6:42 PM, Headbutt said: Which Cougs are you referring to? Never mind. You're talking about WSU. Why? They're in or out depending on a ton of factors, but they're not really a topic for further expansion. That deal is already pretty much done, but like I said. A good addition, but we don't need them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteedLaw Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/29/2024 at 12:13 PM, Motown Monty said: Why do you come here to bash on the MWC? I mean, you log in to come in here and bash on USU fans. Same story with the TCU and Utah guy Many (not all) BYU fans have severe little man syndrome. You get used to it after a while. Nothing screams little man than lurking in forums of a conference your team has no longer been part of for over a decade just to attempt to promote a false sense of superiority. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteedLaw Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/29/2024 at 11:46 AM, NorCalCoug said: Did I hurt your feelings? Truth is USU is an afterthought outside of Logan. Oh brother, did I hurt yours? Nobody cares about yBU athletics except the most extreme zealots. The most level-headed LDS folks (both in and out of state) shun the Cougs. Many go so far as to separate the difference between BYU the university and BYU the athletics program. (Love the university, hate the athletics.) Sorry for hurting your feelings, but BYU are the cupcakes of the Big XII. And, newsflash, if you think the Church leadership is going to double down on yBU athletics in the era of NIL, guess again. At best, you’re the permanent Rutgers of the Big XII. Most likely? The days of Cougar DI athletics are numbered ala BYU-H and BYU-I. Do yourself a favor and go take a trip up the road to Rick’s College and tour their athletics facilities. Like it or not, that is BYU-P’s athletic future. One word: Duu-kess-nee 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCalCoug Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/29/2024 at 9:08 PM, SteedLaw said: Oh brother, did I hurt yours? Nobody cares about yBU athletics except the most extreme zealots. The most level-headed LDS folks (both in and out of state) shun the Cougs. Many go so far as to separate the difference between BYU the university and BYU the athletics program. (Love the university, hate the athletics.) Sorry for hurting your feelings, but BYU are the cupcakes of the Big XII. And, newsflash, if you think the Church leadership is going to double down on yBU athletics in the era of NIL, guess again. At best, you’re the permanent Rutgers of the Big XII. Most likely? The days of Cougar DI athletics are numbered ala BYU-H and BYU-I. Do yourself a favor and go take a trip up the road to Rick’s College and tour their athletics facilities. Like it or not, that is BYU-P’s athletic future. One word: Duu-kess-nee Are you seriously this dumb? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteedLaw Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/29/2024 at 9:31 PM, NorCalCoug said: Are you seriously this dumb? Sorry for hurting your feelings, cupcake. Truth hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelAlliance Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/29/2024 at 10:08 PM, SteedLaw said: Oh brother, did I hurt yours? Nobody cares about yBU athletics except the most extreme zealots. The most level-headed LDS folks (both in and out of state) shun the Cougs. Many go so far as to separate the difference between BYU the university and BYU the athletics program. (Love the university, hate the athletics.) Sorry for hurting your feelings, but BYU are the cupcakes of the Big XII. And, newsflash, if you think the Church leadership is going to double down on yBU athletics in the era of NIL, guess again. At best, you’re the permanent Rutgers of the Big XII. Most likely? The days of Cougar DI athletics are numbered ala BYU-H and BYU-I. Do yourself a favor and go take a trip up the road to Rick’s College and tour their athletics facilities. Like it or not, that is BYU-P’s athletic future. One word: Duu-kess-nee Hell, the church is going to demand 10% of any NIL deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
