Conference Realignment thread

[Billings]

On 3/28/2024 at 9:21 AM, Douglaspoke said:

OSU and Wazzu  will wait for ACC implosion now. I don't see a reverse merger.

The PAC12 will take what is left from the ACC and with the new 3 (  CALFORD AND SMU) along with Syracuse, VTech, BC . The Pac 2 will add Memphis, Tulane and then Boise, Fresno, UNLV. Then it will  secure the Denver  market  with AFA, CSU and Wyoming.  16 team conference! Best G5 or #4  lowest  on a new P4 Group.

Doubt ACC loses more than 6 -7 or so members.   That will leave at least 10 member to rebuild.  They add Meephis, Tulane and USF.  PAC 2 running out of options

[alum93]

On 3/27/2024 at 9:11 PM, Headbutt said:

Coastal folks are always in love with shoving UTEP and NMSU down the throats of the Mountain folks.  Just stop.  We don't want 'em.  UTEP may be technically in Texas, but face it, they're in New Mexico.  NMSU is definitely in New Mexico.  Have you looked at New Mexico demographics lately?  UNM handles that state just fine, no need to add more mouths down there.  I have more interest in Scott City CC than those two.

I don't know.  There is always chatter about Montana and MSU and the state has half the population of another small state in NM,  2.1M vs 1.1M.  If the UTEP/NMSU combo is unrealistic for expansion, then there should never be any discussion on the Montanas or NDSU.  But there always is and it is a message board.  Bozeman has population of 54k.  That is tiny, again as a realistic expansion option.  I'm sure it's a cool place to visit.  I have spent time up in Missoula.  Las Cruces is small as well, but it still has 110k and is a 30 minute drive from EP at 680k.  UTEP and NMSU stadiums are about 45 minutes apart.  If AAC schools are off the table, there aren't a lot of options out west.  Never heard of something called Scott City CC, but everyone that follows the MWC and G5 sports out west knows NMSU and UTEP.

[SteedLaw]

On 3/28/2024 at 7:51 AM, RSF said:

bwhahahaha.....

 

At best they'll say 'didnt Scott Bakula play QB for them?'

This is my point. Never hear anything constructive in response.

Look, I really don’t have a dog in this fight. And, it is certainly not a hill to die on for me. 

The question remains, “Assuming the MWC moves to Texas (and they should) who does the MWC take if not Texas State?”

Texas, TT, A&M, TCU, Baylor, and SMU are already in more lucrative conferences.

North Texas, Rice , and UTSA are in the American League and have exit fees worth tens of million with that league. Also, to break it down further, Rice is a small private school that does not seem to care much at all about athletics. UTSA does not own their stadium. UNT and UTSA play BB at arenas akin to local high schools. Both UTSA and UNT are largely commuter schools anyway.

That leaves UTEP and Texas State as the clear best options. And, unfortunately for UTEP, El Paso really isn’t growing nor is it really “Texas”.

Am I missing something? 

 

 

[RSF]

On 3/28/2024 at 4:31 PM, SteedLaw said:

This is my point. Never hear anything constructive in response.

Look, I really don’t have a dog in this fight. And, it is certainly not a hill to die on for me. 

The question remains, “Assuming the MWC moves to Texas (and they should) who does the MWC take if not Texas State?”

Texas, TT, A&M, TCU, Baylor, and SMU are already in more lucrative conferences.

North Texas, Rice , and UTSA are in the American League and have exit fees worth tens of million with that league. Also, to break it down further, Rice is a small private school that does not seem to care much at all about athletics. UTSA does not own their stadium. UNT and UTSA play BB at arenas akin to local high schools. Both UTSA and UNT are largely commuter schools anyway.

That leaves UTEP and Texas State as the clear best options. And, unfortunately for UTEP, El Paso really isn’t growing nor is it really “Texas”.

Am I missing something? 

 

 

Yeah, you are missing something.  All the reasons I posted in direct response to you that you chose to ignore.  After that, mocking is what's left.  If you want a lame program just so you can say 'hey, we are in Texas', that's your problem.  Won't help the MWC in the least.  There are no good options.  Just the leftovers.

[alum93]

On 3/28/2024 at 3:31 PM, SteedLaw said:

This is my point. Never hear anything constructive in response.

Look, I really don’t have a dog in this fight. And, it is certainly not a hill to die on for me. 

The question remains, “Assuming the MWC moves to Texas (and they should) who does the MWC take if not Texas State?”

Texas, TT, A&M, TCU, Baylor, and SMU are already in more lucrative conferences.

North Texas, Rice , and UTSA are in the American League and have exit fees worth tens of million with that league. Also, to break it down further, Rice is a small private school that does not seem to care much at all about athletics. UTSA does not own their stadium. UNT and UTSA play BB at arenas akin to local high schools. Both UTSA and UNT are largely commuter schools anyway.

That leaves UTEP and Texas State as the clear best options. And, unfortunately for UTEP, El Paso really isn’t growing nor is it really “Texas”.

Am I missing something? 

 

 

EP isn't growing?  It's bigger than Albq, Ft. Collins, Fresno, Logan, Laramie.  The metro area has more people than the entire states of Montana and Wyoming.  How much bigger does it need to be for it to be MWC worthy.  Logan, the town your school is located in, has 54k people.  EP has 680k in city limits alone.  And i have no skin in the game since i didn't go to UTEP, but the Sun Bowl is an awesome college stadium, especially if you are comparing it to G5 schools.

[renoskier]

On 3/28/2024 at 2:31 PM, SteedLaw said:

 ...Am I missing something? 

 

 

yes, there's no good reason the MWC needs to expand at all, much less into Texas

[SteedLaw]

On 3/28/2024 at 3:33 PM, RSF said:

Yeah, you are missing something.  All the reasons I posted in direct response to you that you chose to ignore.  After that, mocking is what's left.  If you want a lame program just so you can say 'hey, we are in Texas', that's your problem.  Won't help the MWC in the least.  There are no good options.  Just the leftovers.

Now you are just being dumb. 

Texas is the the second largest state (soon to be the largest) and is one of the top ten fastest growing states every year. 

Plenty of room for the MwC to come in and start taking its fair share. 

[SteedLaw]

On 3/28/2024 at 3:46 PM, alum93 said:

EP isn't growing?  It's bigger than Albq, Ft. Collins, Fresno, Logan, Laramie.  The metro area has more people than the entire states of Montana and Wyoming.  How much bigger does it need to be for it to be MWC worthy.  Logan, the town your school is located in, has 54k people.  EP has 680k in city limits alone.  And i have no skin in the game since i didn't go to UTEP, but the Sun Bowl is an awesome college stadium, especially if you are comparing it to G5 schools.

Logan has a metro area of over 160k and is part of the SLC combined statistical area  (over 2.5mm). It is situated in the youngest and, on average, fastest growing state in the union for the last 20 plus years. 
 

USU also has nine campuses throughout the state — it is just a bit different. 
 

Meanwhile, ElPaso is not growing…as in the net population growth is more or less completely flat. 
 

Have to look at trends too there, bud — not just total population. 
 

And, again, I don’t really have a dog in this fight. Why not take both UTEP and Texas State, but the MWC should be looking to add schools in Texas. 

[RSF]

On 3/28/2024 at 5:53 PM, SteedLaw said:

Now you are just being dumb. 

Texas is the the second largest state (soon to be the largest) and is one of the top ten fastest growing states every year. 

Plenty of room for the MwC to come in and start taking its fair share. 

Wow...really?  Lived here 40 years and I'm just now finding this out?

 

None of which means Texas State is a program that adds any value to the MWC.

[SteedLaw]

On 3/28/2024 at 5:01 PM, RSF said:

Wow...really?  Lived here 40 years and I'm just now finding this out?

 

None of which means Texas State is a program that adds any value to the MWC.

Having a foothold in Texas would clearly add value to the MWC. If all that is left is Texas State and UTEP, so be it.

[RSF]

On 3/28/2024 at 6:05 PM, SteedLaw said:

Having a foothold in Texas would clearly add value to the MWC. If all that is left is Texas State and UTEP, so be it.

Sure thing, chief.  You keep telling yourself that.

[jdgaucho]

Sure

 

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 3/28/2024 at 9:21 AM, Douglaspoke said:

OSU and Wazzu  will wait for ACC implosion now. I don't see a reverse merger.

The PAC12 will take what is left from the ACC and with the new 3 (  CALFORD AND SMU) along with Syracuse, VTech, BC . The Pac 2 will add Memphis, Tulane and then Boise, Fresno, UNLV. Then it will  secure the Denver  market  with AFA, CSU and Wyoming.  16 team conference! Best G5 or #4  lowest  on a new P4 Group.

 

CSU-Diego stays in the Mtn West, while CSU, wyo, the USAFA, Boise, FresNo & NV Southern leave?  I don't see it unless you think they're going to the BIG XII, which is unlikely.

 

[Dealwit]

On 3/28/2024 at 3:46 PM, alum93 said:

EP isn't growing?  It's bigger than Albq, Ft. Collins, Fresno, Logan, Laramie.  The metro area has more people than the entire states of Montana and Wyoming.  How much bigger does it need to be for it to be MWC worthy.  Logan, the town your school is located in, has 54k people.  EP has 680k in city limits alone.  And i have no skin in the game since i didn't go to UTEP, but the Sun Bowl is an awesome college stadium, especially if you are comparing it to G5 schools.

Last I checked Albuquerque Metro is at 955,000 and El Paso at 868,000.  Albuquerque Metro is almost 100k bigger.

[Spot50B]

On 3/28/2024 at 3:53 PM, SteedLaw said:

Now you are just being dumb. 

Texas is the the second largest state (soon to be the largest) and is one of the top ten fastest growing states every year. 

Plenty of room for the MwC to come in and start taking its fair share. 

Not your hill to die on, huh. You really believe that. Sad.

[Spot50B]

On 3/28/2024 at 4:06 PM, RSF said:

Sure thing, chief.  You keep trolling yourself that.

FIFY

[nvspuds]

On 3/28/2024 at 4:16 PM, jdgaucho said:

Sure

 

 

Looks good other than the tiny markets in Corvallis and Pullman.  The other 8 should look for two different schools to add..

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 3/28/2024 at 3:53 PM, SteedLaw said:

Now you are just being dumb. 

Texas is the the second largest state (soon to be the largest) and is one of the top ten fastest growing states every year. 

Plenty of room for the MwC to come in and start taking its fair share. 

 

"Tejas is...soon to be the largest..." State??? 

How is Tejas going to grow it's population by 8.5mm (or 28% of it's current pop) to catch up to Calif "soon?"

YES...Tejas could surpass the pop of Calif.  I guess this depends on your definition of "soon."

 

[Headbutt]

On 3/28/2024 at 3:46 PM, alum93 said:

EP isn't growing?  It's bigger than Albq, Ft. Collins, Fresno, Logan, Laramie.  The metro area has more people than the entire states of Montana and Wyoming.  How much bigger does it need to be for it to be MWC worthy.  Logan, the town your school is located in, has 54k people.  EP has 680k in city limits alone.  And i have no skin in the game since i didn't go to UTEP, but the Sun Bowl is an awesome college stadium, especially if you are comparing it to G5 schools.

And the Bay Area dwarfs all of those, but nobody goes to football games.  UTEP had an average attendance of just over 19K last year.  U of Montana was about 25.5K.  Just sayin'.

Really no need to go to 16 anyway.

[CKS007]

On 3/28/2024 at 5:16 PM, jdgaucho said:

Sure

 

 

What drugs is he on?