AztecSU Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/27/2024 at 7:23 PM, RSF said: A mediocre school, a lousy athletic program, an undersized and apathetic fan base, in a market where UT dominates all. Biggest name in San Marcos. That's a good one. And there multiple state school systems that 'represent' the whole state. With the Texas State system comprised of the leftovers. It doesnt even have a flagship. And its not a young brand. Been around 125 years. Used to be a directional school until they dropped the 'Southwest' from their name in a failed attempt to burnish their image. Other than that... Most people tuning in on the boob tube outside of Texas will have no clue. They’ll just see the name Texas State in the MW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruininthebay Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/27/2024 at 3:10 PM, SteedLaw said: I have been saying for a while now that if we are heading into Texas (and I think we should), then Texas State arguably makes more sense that either UTSA, RICE, or UNT. UTEP is less sexy, but has both rivalry and connectivity. Either way, I think both schools would likely consider a protracted buy-in of sorts over a period of, say, four years. And, long term, I think there is synergy there. Over time, I have come to the realization that anything east of the state of Texas is just too far. We need to keep our regionality for all practical and branding purposes. I agree that with your conclusion that when you consider all the facts that UTEP makes sense. Although the present status of the Sun Bowl game doesn't involve UTEP's conference affiliate the long term the tradition of that game would be great to add to the Mountain West's affiliation just like the Holiday Bowl. Personally I think if the MW acce[ts UTEP then New Mexico State (a land grant instituiton like OSU, WSU, USU, Wyoming, Hawaii, Nevada, and Colorado State) is the next best because at sixteen schools in a 2 permanent with six rotating games scheduling structure to deal with the Lobos and UTEP you either have to split up Air Force, Colorado State and Wyoming, make Hawai'i the annual rivalry, or accept New Mexico State. New Mexico State is the least bad option of all the potential 16th members. Personally I think staying in the mountain time zone makes the most sense for the MW and so all the other potential schools on Central time just don't make logistical sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headbutt Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/27/2024 at 9:03 PM, Bruininthebay said: I agree that with your conclusion that when you consider all the facts that UTEP makes sense. Although the present status of the Sun Bowl game doesn't involve UTEP's conference affiliate the long term the tradition of that game would be great to add to the Mountain West's affiliation just like the Holiday Bowl. Personally I think if the MW acce[ts UTEP then New Mexico State (a land grant instituiton like OSU, WSU, USU, Wyoming, Hawaii, Nevada, and Colorado State) is the next best because at sixteen schools in a 2 permanent with six rotating games scheduling structure to deal with the Lobos and UTEP you either have to split up Air Force, Colorado State and Wyoming, make Hawai'i the annual rivalry, or accept New Mexico State. New Mexico State is the least bad option of all the potential 16th members. Personally I think staying in the mountain time zone makes the most sense for the MW and so all the other potential schools on Central time just don't make logistical sense. Coastal folks are always in love with shoving UTEP and NMSU down the throats of the Mountain folks. Just stop. We don't want 'em. UTEP may be technically in Texas, but face it, they're in New Mexico. NMSU is definitely in New Mexico. Have you looked at New Mexico demographics lately? UNM handles that state just fine, no need to add more mouths down there. I have more interest in Scott City CC than those two. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utgrizfan Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/27/2024 at 6:02 PM, HawaiiMongoose said: I came close to including the Montanas in my suggested list of expansion targets. I actually like them as geographically sensible additions to the MWC. They fit institutionally, they have a good rivalry going and they fill their stadiums. However they're in a sparsely populated market and so adding them is unlikely to help the conference increase its per-member TV revenue. I'd love for both Montana and MSU to be added to get to 16, but as you said the reality is current FBS programs in markets that would contribute to the new TV deal will take priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteedLaw Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/27/2024 at 8:36 PM, AztecSU said: Most people tuning in on the boob tube outside of Texas will have no clue. They’ll just see the name Texas State in the MW. Yep. List of priorities: 1. Add OSU and WSU (or reverse merge) 2. Gain a foothold in Texas with a school in a fast-growing metro area (probably Texas State). 3. Further evaluate expansion options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/27/2024 at 9:36 PM, AztecSU said: Most people tuning in on the boob tube outside of Texas will have no clue. They’ll just see the name Texas State in the MW. And they'll say...who? if that were actually true, Texas State wouldnt still be languishing in the Sun Belt. PT Aresco would have invited them to the AAC. Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteedLaw Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2024 at 7:46 AM, RSF said: And they'll say...who? Nah, they will simply say: ”Texas State” Which is all the MWC needs them to say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2024 at 8:49 AM, SteedLaw said: Nah, they will simply say: ”Texas State” Which is all the MWC needs them to say. bwhahahaha..... At best they'll say 'didnt Scott Bakula play QB for them?' 1 1 Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alum93 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 If MWC is going into the state of Texas, UTEP would be most realistic. UTSA and UNT aren't leaving the AAC, but for arguments sake if they were available, i would think UTSA would be the top target. I don't see AAC poaching MWC or vice versa, so get OSU and WSU and call it a day - until the big boys start moving schools around again... I would go NMSU in combination with UTEP before i would ever touch Texas State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2024 at 6:46 AM, RSF said: And they'll say...who? if that were actually true, Texas State wouldnt still be languishing in the Sun Belt. PT Aresco would have invited them to the AAC. Sunbelt is better football than the AAC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglaspoke Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 OSU and Wazzu will wait for ACC implosion now. I don't see a reverse merger. The PAC12 will take what is left from the ACC and with the new 3 ( CALFORD AND SMU) along with Syracuse, VTech, BC . The Pac 2 will add Memphis, Tulane and then Boise, Fresno, UNLV. Then it will secure the Denver market with AFA, CSU and Wyoming. 16 team conference! Best G5 or #4 lowest on a new P4 Group. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alum93 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/27/2024 at 2:01 PM, SteedLaw said: It was a total fluke. With the exception of JMU, the MWC as a whole is well above the Sun Belt in annual AD revenue and expenditures per school. Even JMU’s (i.e., Sun Belt’s top school) are far below, say, Colorado State, Air Force, and SDSU. You said MWC was better in all sports. The 2 biggest are football and basketball, and in one of those 2 the Sun Belt ranked higher. Even if the MWC had ranked higher, they are close enough in on the field performance top to bottom that it isn't worth arguing. But objectively, per rankings that were shown which are used in many a thread on this forum, they were better. If you want to change the argument to be about revenue, expenditures, attendance, or whatever metric, that is a different discussion. But Sun Belt football is every bit as legit as MWC... at the G5 level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alum93 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2024 at 10:21 AM, Douglaspoke said: OSU and Wazzu will wait for ACC implosion now. I don't see a reverse merger. The PAC12 will take what is left from the ACC and with the new 3 ( CALFORD AND SMU) along with Syracuse, VTech, BC . The Pac 2 will add Memphis, Tulane and then Boise, Fresno, UNLV. Then it will secure the Denver market with AFA, CSU and Wyoming. 16 team conference! Best G5 or #4 lowest on a new P4 Group. Not impossible, but highly unlikely.... Also that would be a dream scenario for OSU and WSU. I still don't see a best of rest happening when the dust settles. I think all 4 power conference survive long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2024 at 10:17 AM, Billings said: Sunbelt is better football than the AAC It wasnt when the last realignment took place. And there's more money in the AAC. Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalsean Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/27/2024 at 5:16 PM, Gonzagafan2021 said: What makes Texas State so attractive for the MWC? Is it because they have the word. "State" in its name? Honestly I think that's part of it haha. UTSA is better 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalsean Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2024 at 12:51 AM, utgrizfan said: I'd love for both Montana and MSU to be added to get to 16, but as you said the reality is current FBS programs in markets that would contribute to the new TV deal will take priority. Think long and hard whether you want to be in the money whore division. But I think Montana would be a good add. I'm not sure on MSU. I don't think we need 2 schools from Montana just to get to an even number Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalsean Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/27/2024 at 7:13 PM, Headbutt said: Texas State I'm good with. If we need two Texas schools to make it work then get UTSA, not UTEP. Still firm that the less impressive (media wise) schools from Montana would be a better add. Rabid fanbases that would really step up if they went MWC. I rarely disagree with your views but in this I do. You speak of new Mexico demographics, or lack thereof, as reasoning not to invite UTEP. But I don't think Montana is any better in that regard. I agree in taking one of them. UM would be the logical choice to me. But if we're looking at MSU as well, there's no reason not to look at UTEP. On reflection I'd really like to get Montana. Our product differentiation is that were regional Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2024 at 11:46 AM, Chalsean said: I rarely disagree with your views but in this I do. You speak of new Mexico demographics, or lack thereof, as reasoning not to invite UTEP. But I don't think Montana is any better in that regard. I agree in taking one of them. UM would be the logical choice to me. But if we're looking at MSU as well, there's no reason not to look at UTEP. On reflection I'd really like to get Montana. Our product differentiation is that were regional You should always ask what exactly will a school add to a conference. Another unperforming athletic department mouth to feed is not a good answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecSU Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2024 at 6:46 AM, RSF said: And they'll say...who? if that were actually true, Texas State wouldnt still be languishing in the Sun Belt. PT Aresco would have invited them to the AAC. They moved to D1 a little over a decade ago, so it's not a surprise that they are in the SBC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2024 at 1:31 PM, AztecSU said: They moved to D1A a little over a decade ago, so it's not a surprise that they are in the SBC. FIFY. They didnt exactly light it up in 1AA the 3 decades they were there either. 1 great year in 30. Meanwhile down the road in SA, UTSA started from scratch at about the same time State made the ill-advised jump to IA. Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...