utgrizfan Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/26/2024 at 9:18 PM, Billings said: MWC commish has said she would like to expand beyond 14 Makes me curious who they would target to get to 16 as the pickings are much slimmer out west (don't see the $$ being there to allow expansion to 18 or Oly only picks being an option). My money would be on them going after a pair of Texas schools (UTSA, UNT etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/27/2024 at 9:23 AM, utgrizfan said: Makes me curious who they would target to get to 16 as the pickings are much slimmer out west (don't see the $$ being there to allow expansion to 18 or Oly only picks being an option). My money would be on them going after a pair of Texas schools (UTSA, UNT etc.) who arent going to make a lateral move. Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alum93 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/27/2024 at 6:54 AM, SteedLaw said: Sun Belt had a fluke year — a year when the stars and moon perfectly aligned is all. Everyone knows it. Statistically based on athletic department sizes and revenues on averages and expenditures, it is not happening again anytime soon. Lightning does not strike the same place twice… MWC is still the top of the G5 in all sports — especially men’s basketball. It wasn't a fluke year. Sun Belt has been getting better and better for years and the ranking shows it. So no, the MWC is not the top G5 in all sports. And it doesn't matter anyway, because there is a Grand Canyon size gap between P4 and G5 and it is only growing. The good news is there are more than 60 schools at the G5 level so no matter what happens with expansion or conference realignment, that next level below P4 will have plenty of competition. Better than being FCS. P4>>>>G5>>FCS>>everyone else playing sports at the college level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alum93 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/27/2024 at 8:23 AM, utgrizfan said: Makes me curious who they would target to get to 16 as the pickings are much slimmer out west (don't see the $$ being there to allow expansion to 18 or Oly only picks being an option). My money would be on them going after a pair of Texas schools (UTSA, UNT etc.) I would bet UTEP is on a short list. I don't think MWC can pull any AAC schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utgrizfan Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/27/2024 at 8:48 AM, alum93 said: I would bet UTEP is on a short list. I don't think MWC can pull any AAC schools. Would depend on the PAC2/MWC new TV deal and i'm pretty sure that would beat what is now a watered down AAC. Also currently the CUSA schools that joined the AAC are making less then half of a full share of the legacy teams (around 2 million I think) so it's not as far fetched as people think. UTEP and Texas State would probably be the teams they target if they fail to snag any AAC schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/27/2024 at 2:05 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said: It shouldn’t take balls to speak the truth, which is all that happened. Understand your shortcomings on the matter may make that difficult to understand.. luckily for you blissful ignorance is there to keep you warm at night. Chest puffing…lol So are you saying the 4 new schools I mentioned brought up the conference rankings with below .500 records? How does that work exactly? I’m trying to figure out which part of my post was inaccurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigd Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/26/2024 at 8:18 PM, Billings said: MWC commish has said she would like to expand beyond 14 Do you have a link? I don't recall her saying this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/27/2024 at 6:45 AM, BSUTOP25 said: It ranks the MWC is the 7th best conference you moron. Woosh has been banging his drum for years now about how bad ass the B12 will be with his school there. Not to mention saying how terrible the P12 is for years as well. I guess he didn’t realize what adding 4 turds in 2023 would do to a conference that was only ahead of the terrible ACC in 2023. This is with Texas and OU still in the conference and Texas making the playoffs. Something in the basement of the B12 stinks like rotten meat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawaiiMongoose Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/27/2024 at 2:45 AM, BSUTOP25 said: It ranks the MWC is the 7th best conference you moron. To paraphrase Simon & Garfunkel, a man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/27/2024 at 8:24 AM, bigd said: Do you have a link? I don't recall her saying this. About the 8:16 mark in interview MWC sweet spot is 14 to 16 teams 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/27/2024 at 7:26 AM, RSF said: who arent going to make a lateral move. So many unknowns. Newly added AAC schools are being poorly paid at this point in that contract. If MWC adds/merges with OSU and WSU and then has a nice jump in Media contract it would/could be enticing to the newer teams in the AAC. AAC also could easily lose Memphis, Tulane, and USF to a rebuilding ACC. Neither conference is a pillar of stability but I think the AAC is also at risk to keep losing teams. Again so many unknowns. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/27/2024 at 9:49 AM, HawaiiMongoose said: To paraphrase Simon & Garfunkel, a man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest. Lol. Yeah, it’s pretty hard to look at a graph and understand the difference between 7th and 9th. Even after agreeing to take out independents which isn’t a conference he got the number wrong. He’s spent so much time trying to belittle any conference not named the B12 that he can’t even count to 10 without help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawaiiMongoose Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/27/2024 at 4:57 AM, utgrizfan said: Would depend on the PAC2/MWC new TV deal and i'm pretty sure that would beat what is now a watered down AAC. Also currently the CUSA schools that joined the AAC are making less then half of a full share of the legacy teams (around 2 million I think) so it's not as far fetched as people think. UTEP and Texas State would probably be the teams they target if they fail to snag any AAC schools. If the conference was being really ambitious the targets would be UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Memphis, and Tulane. That would create a strong 20-member G5 superconference with two conference-sized divisions. East: Wyoming, CSU, Air Force, New Mexico, UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Memphis, Tulane West: WSU, OSU, Boise State, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV, SJSU, Fresno State, SDSU, Hawaii There would be no crossover competition in football. The two division champions would play for the conference title in what would effectively be a play-in game to the CFP most seasons. In non-football sports there would be very limited crossover competition, which would minimize travel costs. But to your point, it would depend on the new TV deal. Some network would need to buy into the concept and be willing to pay out at least $8 million per school per year. That’s probably a reach given all the unknowns in the current environment. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSUTOP25 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/27/2024 at 10:17 AM, utenation said: Lol. Yeah, it’s pretty hard to look at a graph and understand the difference between 7th and 9th. Even after agreeing to take out independents which isn’t a conference he got the number wrong. He’s spent so much time trying to belittle any conference not named the B12 that he can’t even count to 10 without help. @Did I hear a WOOSH? is highly influenced by what he absorbs on East Coast SportsCenter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalsean Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/27/2024 at 10:21 AM, HawaiiMongoose said: If the conference was being really ambitious the targets would be UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Memphis, and Tulane. That would create a strong 20-member G5 superconference with two conference-sized divisions. East: Wyoming, CSU, Air Force, New Mexico, UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Memphis, Tulane West: WSU, OSU, Boise State, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV, SJSU, Fresno State, SDSU, Hawaii There would be no crossover competition in football. The two division champions would play for the conference title in what would effectively be a play-in game to the CFP most seasons. In non-football sports there would be very limited crossover competition, which would minimize travel costs. But to your point, it would depend on the new TV deal. Some network would need to buy into the concept and be willing to pay out at least $8 million per school per year. That’s probably a reach given all the unknowns in the current environment. I've noticed people started mentioning Rice because PAC4 said they were interested in them (for academics). I would hope MWC would not go after them. Try for 2 of UTEP/UTSA/UNT or bust. Memphis/Tulane won't join MWC and they would have to bring some serious bump in $$ to offset the travel costs. Plus why would they? They probably control AAC now, so its gotta be P4 type money to get to peak their interest. Getting into Texas specifically would be worth it though. Side note, I really wish they'd bring back divisions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/27/2024 at 8:46 AM, alum93 said: It wasn't a fluke year. Sun Belt has been getting better and better for years and the ranking shows it. So no, the MWC is not the top G5 in all sports. I wanted to counter this but I really can't. Looking at their OOC schedules in 2023, most of their best teams scheduled 1 P5 team and not too weak on the other games in OOC. A lot of times these teams have bloated records with cupcake schedules. If the MWC can ever get consistent with 2 top 25 teams each year, I bet there won't be a question about the Sun Belt being ahead of the MWC. Also pending mergers and whatever else is going to happen out west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utenation Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 @RSF this is a good idea from Yormark, One place for scouts and Dallas is easy to get to. https://big12sports.com/news/2024/3/20/football-137-prospects-to-participate-in-first-ever-big-12-pro-day.aspx#:~:text=The full list of participants,Star from March 27-31. @Did I hear a WOOSH?, I'm not sure why UCF is sending anyone to this to be honest. Your best players transfer to OU and Oregon. You guys might have a few players that could be walk ons at other good P5 schools but I think UCF players are wasting their own time here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alum93 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/27/2024 at 11:26 AM, utenation said: I wanted to counter this but I really can't. Looking at their OOC schedules in 2023, most of their best teams scheduled 1 P5 team and not too weak on the other games in OOC. A lot of times these teams have bloated records with cupcake schedules. If the MWC can ever get consistent with 2 top 25 teams each year, I bet there won't be a question about the Sun Belt being ahead of the MWC. Also pending mergers and whatever else is going to happen out west. My point was the real gap is P4 vs G5, not whether the MWC or Sun Belt or AAC is slightly better than the other in any given year moving forward. For all intents and purposes, the top few teams in the G5 conference can all beat each other. Line them up against the top half or even third of P4 conferences and the difference is night and day for a majority of those games. If the Sun Belt was ranked higher than MWC last year, great. Same if MWC was ranked higher. I am sure the difference is minimal. Both are solid G5 conferences. Give NIL and instant transfers a few more years and i think a new league will be formed for power teams for football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteedLaw Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/27/2024 at 8:46 AM, alum93 said: It wasn't a fluke year. Sun Belt has been getting better and better for years and the ranking shows it. So no, the MWC is not the top G5 in all sports. And it doesn't matter anyway, because there is a Grand Canyon size gap between P4 and G5 and it is only growing. The good news is there are more than 60 schools at the G5 level so no matter what happens with expansion or conference realignment, that next level below P4 will have plenty of competition. Better than being FCS. P4>>>>G5>>FCS>>everyone else playing sports at the college level. It was a total fluke. With the exception of JMU, the MWC as a whole is well above the Sun Belt in annual AD revenue and expenditures per school. Even JMU’s (i.e., Sun Belt’s top school) are far below, say, Colorado State, Air Force, and SDSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headbutt Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/27/2024 at 2:54 AM, HawaiiMongoose said: A Warbow says, that's a correct description of the arrangement. However the annual payout from PPV to UH no longer exceeds the average MWC TV payout. The past few years the PPV payout has been a bit over $3 million whereas the MWC TV payout per school has been around $4 million. Therefore UH has been receiving a small equalization payment from the MWC of less than $1 million. UH also receives roughly $1.5 million in CFP money annually from the MWC, so including that the total amount UH is earning annually from PPV and the MWC combined is between $5 million and $6 million. Also while it's true that UH PPV games aren't televised on the Mainland, they are streamed for free, albeit on the Team1 Sports app which only works on smartphones and tablets. Exactly. I'm fine with Hawaii being part of the MWC TV revenue, but only if they're part of the MWC TV broadcast package. Gonna' be a lot of streaming going on in the future. I hope I'm not paying for one app to watch the rest of MWC football, and paying for another to see Hawaii games. Less of a problem honestly than the streaming quality. Currently each home school produces the game for TheMWC TV app, much like the home school does the production for ESPN+. In both cases there is some almost unwatchable content out there. I don't care about ESPN+ and hope we don't end up there, but regardless of the app every school in the MWC needs to step up their production quality. Some more than others, but none of us are doing it the level we should be. That needs to be addressed in any new conference set up when we get there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...