Conference Realignment thread

[NevadaFan]

On 3/14/2024 at 12:51 AM, OzzyOzz said:

Who is Jeffrey Epstein?

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Don't let them rape your babies. 

Life isn't about sports. 

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[Did I hear a WOOSH?]

On 3/14/2024 at 12:27 PM, Motown Monty said:

The "PAC" brand is tarnished, i agree with you

If the MWC merges into the "PAC-2", it will have to regularly hear comments about how the "new PAC" is weak compared to the "real PAC", and that none of the old championships won by the PAC-10 really apply

I'd prefer a complete rebrand.  merge the MWC and PAC2, and rebrand it as the "Mountain Pacific" conference.   then heavily market it as the only major athletic conference of the west.

When the writing was on the wall with all of this a year ago I suggested calling it the PAC WEST and got down voted to oblivion for even suggesting a merger.  How the turn tables….

[Beaver-Poke]

On 3/14/2024 at 9:27 AM, Motown Monty said:

The "PAC" brand is tarnished, i agree with you

If the MWC merges into the "PAC-2", it will have to regularly hear comments about how the "new PAC" is weak compared to the "real PAC", and that none of the old championships won by the PAC-10 really apply

I'd prefer a complete rebrand.  merge the MWC and PAC2, and rebrand it as the "Mountain Pacific" conference.   then heavily market it as the only major athletic conference of the west.

There already is an existing Mountain Pacific Sports Conference. So that ain't happening. 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 3/14/2024 at 12:53 PM, Beaver-Poke said:

There already is an existing Mountain Pacific Sports Conference. So that ain't happening. 

Could buy it.  I am assuming it would not cost much.  

I always thought the MWC should have bought the WAC name when Fresno and Nevada joined.

[Aztec Since 88]

On 3/14/2024 at 11:32 AM, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

When the writing was on the wall with all of this a year ago I suggested calling it the PAC WEST and got down voted to oblivion for even suggesting a merger.  How the turn tables….

The PACWEST name is taken it is D2 conference.  They could always go back to the PCC days.

[AztecAlien]

On 3/14/2024 at 1:38 PM, Aztec Since 88 said:

The PACWEST name is taken it is D2 conference.  They could always go back to the PCC days.

How about the FTCC. 

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[smithy]

On 3/13/2024 at 2:45 PM, RamSack said:

If there's any truth to this, maybe the 4-5 MW schools + Pac2 are hoping Calford + SMU join after the ACC gets raided. Or maybe the MW5 are using this to separate from the bottom weight of the MW once and for all hoping to be more appealing when the big split happens.

Doubt Calford would be in the picture...especially after Calzano reported that they don't want to be associated with Boise St. or Fresno St. in any league.

[dudleyDgroot]

How bout The Western Pacific ?

[SalinasSpartan]

They should just dust off the PCC name. I mean it’s a LOT of dust to dust off, but still a cool name IMO. 

[SteedLaw]

On 3/14/2024 at 10:02 AM, AztecSU said:

Not only will 4 or 5 MW schools not be joining the PAC2, but it's becoming clear the best thing for the MW schools in the death of the PAC and PAC brand. You can already see the media and sports fans commenting about the "only remaining truly Western conference". The MW brand is ascendant and if we can get 2 or more schools to the S16 we will ride a new wave of attention into the next school year. 

I agree. The NW twins waited way too long -- killed the PAC brand. MWC is on the rise, especially this year in BB. Should have jumped on a reverse merger when they had the chance. But now, what is the point?

The best option for everyone is to:

1. Dissolve the PAC
2. OSU and WSU join the MWC
3. Look for 1-2 additional adds (with buy-ins over time) from the state of Texas -- my money is on Texas State.

That is a 15 football team (rotating seven team schedule) and 14 team BB conference and is as close to a BOR league you are going to get anywhere.

New Conference BB Tournament will be T-Mobile Arena too, btw. 

Cheers. 

[SteedLaw]

On 3/14/2024 at 4:07 PM, smithy said:

Doubt Calford would be in the picture...especially after Calzano reported that they don't want to be associated with Boise St. or Fresno St. in any league.

Calzano is totally full of shit..period and full stop.

Calford might not have a choice soon but to come crawling back to the MWC/PAC 2.0. Most especially, Cal's athletic programs are about to become not only bankrupt, but obsolete as well. Long-term ACC membership is not sustainable for Cal and the writing is on the wall to either come back to the MWC/PAC 2.0 or give up football to join the Big West. 

[utgrizfan]

On 3/14/2024 at 10:33 PM, SteedLaw said:

I agree. The NW twins waited way too long -- killed the PAC brand. MWC is on the rise, especially this year in BB. Should have jumped on a reverse merger when they had the chance. But now, what is the point?

The best option for everyone is to:

1. Dissolve the PAC
2. OSU and WSU join the MWC
3. Look for 1-2 additional adds (with buy-ins over time) from the state of Texas -- my money is on Texas State.

That is a 15 football team (rotating seven team schedule) and 14 team BB conference and is as close to a BOR league you are going to get anywhere.

New Conference BB Tournament will be T-Mobile Arena too, btw. 

Cheers. 

If they go after schools in Texas my vote would be UTSA, after that UNT or Rice (media markets = more likely to add value to TV Contract) and I think it'd be possible to poach them, especially if the new PAC/MWC gets a better TV deal then the AAC. 

I say let CAL rot regardless, SJSU already brings the Bay Area market technically.

[Brew_Poke]

Just like I've been saying for over a decade, these mfers gonna take the Dance, too.

 

[Wyobraska]

Rich get richer with new playoff deal.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39738322/conferences-notre-dame-agree-new-playoff-deal

The financial distribution for the expected 14-team playoff will look radically different than its playoff predecessor. On an annual basis, for example, Big Ten and SEC schools will each be making more than $21 million, up from the nearly $5.5 million that schools in Power 5 conferences are currently being paid.

In the ACC, the schools will get more than $13 million annually, and Big 12 schools will get more than $12 million each. Notre Dame is expected to get more than $12 million as well, and sources told ESPN there will be a financial incentive for any independent team that reaches the CFP. There will no longer be a participation bonus for any of the other leagues -- a detail that was frustrating to some leaders in the Group of 5.

The Group of 5 schools' annual payments will increase to just under $1.8 million from the current $1.5 million

[SteedLaw]

On 3/14/2024 at 11:31 PM, utgrizfan said:

If they go after schools in Texas my vote would be UTSA, after that UNT or Rice (media markets = more likely to add value to TV Contract) and I think it'd be possible to poach them, especially if the new PAC/MWC gets a better TV deal then the AAC. 

I say let CAL rot regardless, SJSU already brings the Bay Area market technically.

I hear you, but Cal is going to beg to be let back in on the MWC/PAC 2.0. Cal’s bankrupt athletics department isn’t going to survive long term in the ACC. As much as they wish differently, they don’t have Stanford’s money to keep bankrolling their payments for a membership in a league on the other side of the country. And, like it or not, the egg-head university presidents will for sure let the public land-grant research flagship for the largest state in the union back in…for sure and regardless of how mediocre their athletics have become.
 

And, honestly, I don’t care who the 16th team is in Texas that much, but the conference needs a footprint in Texas long-term if it is going to survive and grow. 

[Brew_Poke]

On 3/15/2024 at 12:53 PM, SteedLaw said:

I hear you, but Cal is going to beg to be let back in on the MWC/PAC 2.0. Cal’s bankrupt athletics department isn’t going to survive long term in the ACC. As much as they wish differently, they don’t have Stanford’s money to keep bankrolling their payments for a membership in a league on the other side of the country. And, like it or not, the egg-head university presidents will for sure let the public land-grant research flagship for the largest state in the union back in…for sure and regardless of how mediocre their athletics have become.
 

And, honestly, I don’t care who the 16th team is in Texas that much, but the conference needs a footprint in Texas long-term if it is going to survive and grow. 

If Cal comes back to a merged MWC+Pac-2, just bring in Hawai'i for all sports and call it good.

[robe]

On 3/15/2024 at 1:53 PM, SteedLaw said:

I hear you, but Cal is going to beg to be let back in on the MWC/PAC 2.0. Cal’s bankrupt athletics department isn’t going to survive long term in the ACC. As much as they wish differently, they don’t have Stanford’s money to keep bankrolling their payments for a membership in a league on the other side of the country. And, like it or not, the egg-head university presidents will for sure let the public land-grant research flagship for the largest state in the union back in…for sure and regardless of how mediocre their athletics have become.
 

And, honestly, I don’t care who the 16th team is in Texas that much, but the conference needs a footprint in Texas long-term if it is going to survive and grow. 

ACC should expand and add 2 to 4 more western teams for better Olympic sports travel. SDSU, NM, BSU and UNLV

[jdgaucho]

On 3/14/2024 at 9:37 PM, SteedLaw said:

Calzano is totally full of shit..period and full stop.

Calford might not have a choice soon but to come crawling back to the MWC/PAC 2.0. Most especially, Cal's athletic programs are about to become not only bankrupt, but obsolete as well. Long-term ACC membership is not sustainable for Cal and the writing is on the wall to either come back to the MWC/PAC 2.0 or give up football to join the Big West. 

 

That's not going to happen. And the Berkeley Bums bankruptcy isn't our problem.

[SteedLaw]

On 3/15/2024 at 2:35 PM, jdgaucho said:

 

That's not going to happen. And the Berkeley Bums bankruptcy isn't our problem.

Again, whether you like it or not, Gloria (a Cal grad herself) would quite literally roll out the red carpet for Cal, as would every single MWC president. And I would remind you, it’s the Presidents that make these decisions — not the teams, coaches or their fans.
 

As far as it not happening, I see it as the most likely outcome at present. The ACC will not agree to expand further right now, not unless you can pony up a $100mm buy in and a pay to play. Moreover, the GOR ensures that nobody is leaving the ACC for at least two more years, unless it is one of the two schools that are still engaged in the buy-in. Last Cal’s was too quick to leave and they are now realizing they can’t afford to buy into the ACC — not long-term at least. 

I see it as increasingly likely they cannot continue with the ACC. So what other options are there? 

 

[MissionTrails]

On 3/15/2024 at 1:02 PM, robe said:

ACC should expand and add 2 to 4 more western teams for better Olympic sports travel. SDSU, NM, BSU and UNLV

Uhhhhh....no thanks. No interest in teaming up with any of the ACC schools (other than maybe the 3 newbies).