Conference Realignment thread

[Spot50B]

On 3/2/2024 at 12:30 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

With due respect, you're taking this much too seriously.

Everything I've said is a TIC dig at Cal football which is a total embarrassment to my dad and other alumni. Dad got his MBA there the last year Cal went to the Rose Bowl, which was 1958 and IIRC, Cal's athletic department is now something like $177M in arrears. Cal may still be a large public school with top-notch academics but it no longer belongs in an FBS conference.

Maybe you should start a separate thread about your dad. 

[dAB]

On 3/2/2024 at 8:41 AM, Claremont McKenna Bronco said:

Davis, UCSD, Irvine, and UCSB are great schools. Some are top 10 in the nation in academics for a public school, but they are definitely a tier below Berkley and UCLA for academics. Those four schools aren’t top 10 academically in the state let alone comparable in anyway to an Ivy. Cal Tech, Pomona, Claremont McKenna, Stanford, and Harvey Mudd are tier 1 academic prestige in the state. USC, UCLA, and UCB are a close second and can be reasonably argued for tier 1.  Saying that the UC System compares anywhere near an Ivy is embarrassing. It’s cringe when people or publications throw around terms like “public ivy”. 

The UC schools are some of the best LARGE PUBLIC universities, but no where near the prestige of the smaller Ivy’s, many private universities, or private liberal arts schools/engineering schools.  I will give you the closest thing most UC’s have in common with the Ivy’s is they don’t care about being competitive at a national level in sports. I do believe that not playing FBS football DOES hurt many of the UC’s from a national perspective with ‘Joe Average’ that cares more about the football team then how many people the university is sending to med school a year. 

*I went to both Claremont McKenna and got my masters at UCD

** Didn’t include UCSF due to their narrow focus, no sports, and lack of undergrad population.

LOL just LOL.

Pomona, Claremont and Mudd are colleges,  They are not Universities.  Comparing them to Stanford, Cal Tech, UCSB etc is kind of like comparing a new 911 Porsche to a Prius.  They are both really good cars for what they are meant to do, but 1 is clearly superior to the other.  And I really like Mudd and have had many Mudders work for me, Mudd is no where close to any of the UC's that you mentioned.

And I have a daughter graduating HS next year.  I would love to have her go to Mudd.  My bank account would not like it.  She has already visited CAl Tech (too many nerds), UCSB (too remote), USC (too much crime around campus) and UCLA (scary density of students).  

Personally, I am pulling for CAl Poly Pomona or SLO, UCI, CSULB, UCSD or UCDavis (my alma).

[818SUDSFan]

On 3/2/2024 at 11:43 AM, Spot50B said:

Maybe you should start a separate thread about your dad. 

Sorry. I was just trying to explain my interest in and disappointment with Cal.

[RebelAlliance]

On 3/2/2024 at 2:13 PM, dAB said:

LOL just LOL.

Pomona, Claremont and Mudd are colleges,  They are not Universities.  Comparing them to Stanford, Cal Tech, UCSB etc is kind of like comparing a new 911 Porsche to a Prius.  They are both really good cars for what they are meant to do, but 1 is clearly superior to the other.  And I really like Mudd and have had many Mudders work for me, Mudd is no where close to any of the UC's that you mentioned.

And I have a daughter graduating HS next year.  I would love to have her go to Mudd.  My bank account would not like it.  She has already visited CAl Tech (too many nerds), UCSB (too remote), USC (too much crime around campus) and UCLA (scary density of students).  

Personally, I am pulling for CAl Poly Pomona or SLO, UCI, CSULB, UCSD or UCDavis (my alma).

Clearly you don't understand liberal arts colleges.  You understand that there is a difference, but beyond that, you think that not being major research universities somehow inherently makes them inferior.  Try again because the best liberal arts colleges are harder to get into than the best public universities, they have larger endowments when measured on a per-student basis and they put larger percentages of their graduates into elite law, medical schools and Ph.D programs.  In addition, you never have to worry about having a 200 student class taught by a graduate student.  

I have always been a huge proponent of the UC campuses, but if you think that being a graduate of UC Davis is perceived as being more prestigious than having gone to Claremont or Pomona, you're sadly mistaken.  

[dAB]

On 3/2/2024 at 2:55 PM, RebelAlliance said:

Clearly you don't understand liberal arts colleges.  You understand that there is a difference, but beyond that, you think that not being major research universities somehow inherently makes them inferior.  Try again because the best liberal arts colleges are harder to get into than the best public universities, they have larger endowments when measured on a per-student basis and they put larger percentages of their graduates into elite law, medical schools and Ph.D programs.  In addition, you never have to worry about having a 200 student class taught by a graduate student.  

I have always been a huge proponent of the UC campuses, but if you think that being a graduate of UC Davis is perceived as being more prestigious than having gone to Claremont or Pomona, you're sadly mistaken.  

Before replying, you need to read what I wrote.  You seem confused that I somehow said that these small liberal arts colleges somehow provided an inferior education to their students.  If you actually get this far in my post, let me state explicitly that I did not say that.

They provide great educations to their students as I clearly implied with the Mudders.  

They are not anywhere near the institution that Stanford is or UCLA or UCD or UCSD etc.  These are major universities that are graded on a different scale.

[OzzyOzz]

On 3/1/2024 at 1:21 PM, Headbutt said:

Somebody needs to tell WSU/OSU that the powers that be aren't interested in some new power conference.  Can't blame them for trying, but they should know by now what their fate is.

Their fate was fulfilled by the greed of money and power. Can't let sin win, that's all.

The powers that be are interested in "some" new old conference.

Stop being vindictive, world.

[Spot50B]

On 3/2/2024 at 1:50 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

Sorry. I was just trying to explain my interest in and disappointment with Cal.

Gotcha. ACC Board is the place for that. Or maybe a thread about conference realignment.

[Brew_Poke]

On 3/2/2024 at 12:23 PM, 818SUDSFan said:

Lol. Have you ever seen the Claremont football stadium? It's smaller than any community college stadium I've ever been to. I just checked and their highest attendance in 2023 was less than 1,900 and that was probably standing room only. Caltech? Caltech dropped football after the 1993 season in which it lost to the University of San Diego's JV teams and others of that ilk by a cumulative score of 229-25. 

So now you want to pivot to football? You and gaucho were talking academics. I'm out until you can figure out what you want to argue about. Good luck in the Dance; I'll be pulling for the 'Tecs, just like last year.

[818SUDSFan]

On 3/2/2024 at 8:54 PM, Brew_Poke said:

So now you want to pivot to football? You and gaucho were talking academics. I'm out until you can figure out what you want to argue about. Good luck in the Dance; I'll be pulling for the 'Tecs, just like last year.

Sorry you didn't understand. My TIC premise was that Cal athletics have become so destitute that when the ACC loses its four most valuable members to the SEC and the B1G by the end of the decade, unlike Stanford it will be unable to continue sending its teams back East to a conference which will then have only half as much TV revenue (of which Cal and Stanford will receive only 30% of a full share). So assuming that happens would Cal then join the Pac-whatever? Or would the Pac-whatever even want Cal? Since there is no easy answer to either question, I opined Cal should in that event just drop down to the FCS level to discontinue the financial sieve that FBS football has created and form a Western version of the Ivy League to largely include other UC schools. Thanks for your support of the Aztecs.

[jdgaucho]

 

 

[masterfrog]

On 3/3/2024 at 3:50 PM, jdgaucho said:

 

 

They already have the Big 10 and it doesn't get any bigger than that.

[SalinasSpartan]

On 3/3/2024 at 6:49 PM, masterfrog said:

They already have the Big 10 and it doesn't get any bigger than that.

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 3/2/2024 at 10:23 AM, 818SUDSFan said:

Lol. Have you ever seen the Claremont football stadium? It's smaller than any community college stadium I've ever been to. I just checked and their highest attendance in 2023 was less than 1,900 and that was probably standing room only. Caltech? Caltech dropped football after the 1993 season in which it lost to the University of San Diego's JV teams and others of that ilk by a cumulative score of 229-25. 

 

I went to Claremont to see my nephew’s Rugby team (Cal-Maritime) play.  

For what they are, the Claremont facilities are top-notch.

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 3/2/2024 at 10:30 AM, 818SUDSFan said:

With due respect, you're taking this much too seriously.

Everything I've said is a TIC dig at Cal football which is a total embarrassment to my dad and other alumni. Dad got his MBA there the last year Cal went to the Rose Bowl, which was 1958 and IIRC, Cal's athletic department is now something like $177M in arrears. Cal may still be a large public school with top-notch academics but it no longer belongs in an FBS conference.

 

On 3/2/2024 at 10:43 AM, Spot50B said:

Maybe you should start a separate thread about your dad. 

 

@818SUDSFan:  @Spot50B might have a pt.

Maybe we should create a forum for Cal legacies:

 

My Dad:  Kenneth R Norton - Cal MBA - Class of 1968

 

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 3/2/2024 at 11:13 AM, dAB said:

LOL just LOL.

Pomona, Claremont and Mudd are colleges,  They are not Universities.  Comparing them to Stanford, Cal Tech, UCSB etc is kind of like comparing a new 911 Porsche to a Prius.  They are both really good cars for what they are meant to do, but 1 is clearly superior to the other.  And I really like Mudd and have had many Mudders work for me, Mudd is no where close to any of the UC's that you mentioned.

And I have a daughter graduating HS next year.  I would love to have her go to Mudd.  My bank account would not like it.  She has already visited CAl Tech (too many nerds), UCSB (too remote), USC (too much crime around campus) and UCLA (scary density of students).  

Personally, I am pulling for CAl Poly Pomona or SLO, UCI, CSULB, UCSD or UCDavis (my alma).

 

"LOL just LOL."

UCSB is too remote???    It’s 59-mi from LA Co?  How is SB remote & Davis isn’t?  Davis is great if you like rice fields.

I’ve had to go to Pomona for wrk multiple times.  It’s a shit-hole a-1/4-step better than SoCent LA w/poorer weather & more smog.

I took Summer & Winter Session classes at CSULB.  Total commuter school.  "Just say NO."

 

Given the choices you laid out, I recommend:

#1 - Univ o’ California - Santa Barbara

#2 - Cal Poly-SLO

#3 - UCSD

#4 - UCD

#5 - UCI

 

[Spot50B]

On 3/3/2024 at 9:25 PM, ---I GREEN INFECTION I--- said:

 

 

@818SUDSFan:  @Spot50B might have a pt.

Maybe we should create a forum for Cal legacies:

 

My Dad:  Kenneth R Norton - Cal MBA - Class of 1968

 

 

 

On 3/3/2024 at 8:12 PM, ---I GREEN INFECTION I--- said:

 

I went to Claremont to see my nephew’s Rugby team (Cal-Maritime) play.  

For what they are, the Claremont facilities are top-notch.

 

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 3/3/2024 at 7:54 PM, Spot50B said:

 

 

 

That's my Pop!!!

Back in the Day when Ken Norton, Sr broke Mohammad Ali's jaw, we lived in the same phone book area [Boxer - Westchester  I  my Dad/our Family - Redondo Bch, SoCal].  During business hours before-&-after BIG fights, our rotary phone on my Mom's nightstand would get calls from reporters all-day-long.  Midnight-3:00am drunk women would call, waking-up my Mom.  She'd ask, "are you calling for the Boxer or the CPA."  Haha!

The other side of our family, had ZERO loyalty to Cal.  Ken Norton, Jr was a FB All-American at UCLA before getting drafted by the Dallas Cowboys.  :-(

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 3/2/2024 at 10:43 AM, Spot50B said:

Maybe you should start a separate thread about your dad. 

 

On 3/2/2024 at 11:50 AM, 818SUDSFan said:

Sorry. I was just trying to explain my interest in and disappointment with Cal.

 

I GUESSING that @Spot50B’s 'Dad Thread' comment was TIC, just like yours was @818SUDSFan.

818:  I thought you comments explaining your Cal connection was totally fine.

 

[---I GREEN INFECTION I---]

On 3/3/2024 at 11:31 AM, 818SUDSFan said:

Sorry you didn't understand. My TIC premise was that Cal athletics have become so destitute that when the ACC loses its four most valuable members to the SEC and the B1G by the end of the decade, unlike Stanford it will be unable to continue sending its teams back East to a conference which will then have only half as much TV revenue (of which Cal and Stanford will receive only 30% of a full share). So assuming that happens would Cal then join the Pac-whatever? Or would the Pac-whatever even want Cal? Since there is no easy answer to either question, I opined Cal should in that event just drop down to the FCS level to discontinue the financial sieve that FBS football has created and form a Western version of the Ivy League to largely include other UC schools. Thanks for your support of the Aztecs.

 

WHOOPS…B4 reading the post linked here, I posted about your TIC tone earlier in this thread.  I had a hunch.

 

[CKS007]

On 2/29/2024 at 7:39 AM, lakesbison said:

NDSU to MAC got some steam.  But NDSU officials keep hinting that they want a Mountain West Invite.  (NDSU said No to CUSA)

sooooo.   Tick Tock. We waiting 

It's nice to want things.  But this one isn't happening.